Does anyone use a dna 20, provari or VV with their rebuildable?

[lasttango]

Finally gave in and got myself an rba (cyclone with afc). Got an OHM reader/meter also.

I currently have 3 Fixed 5 volt mods and 2 VV mods… one is a dna 20.

Any advice? some folks say you should only use mechanical mods… some say that's ridiculous. Do I really need one?

If I build good coils and their ohm resistance is in the 2.8-3.5 range, they should be fine on a 5 volt mod… and as long as I know the OHM resistance on the atty, it should be fine on my VV right?

Just looking for some final reassurance here.

Thanks, LT

 

[mackman]

Well I can reassure you. I use rebuildables every day on VV APV's every day with no problems. I also build coils down to the minimum that the APV will fire.

 

[Paul.K]

Before I got mech mods I used only my Provari on rba's and rda's. Just stay within the limits of your device and you should be fine. As an example check this thread out.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/477942-dual-coils-provari-doable.html

 

[mavric]

I use my RSST and Squape on my Provari as a daily driver. Haven't had an issue yet. Provari loves the bottom-coil feeders, but it will sometimes fuss on the Genesis attys. Haven't tried any drippers on it yet.

 

[suspectK]

I use my RSST and Squape on my Provari as a daily driver. Haven't had an issue yet. Provari loves the bottom-coil feeders, but it will sometimes fuss on the Genesis attys. Haven't tried any drippers on it yet.

I don't understand what you're saying..the provari is picky? Or..... genesis atomizers can be a PITA to build.

 

[Tbev]

I have a provari, I don't use anything but carto tanks on it. I only use rebuildables on my mechanicals.

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[pizza2me]

Ditto on what all was said. My daily carrys are a Provari and a Buzz Pro. Both with rebuildables on them. I have a few mechs at home for emergency backup and sometimes do some sub ohm on my dripper.

But, my basic setup whether it's a kayfun or taifun type, term-c, or genny is 1.1-1.5 Ohms. Works great on the Provari.

It's only if you want to go SLR that you would *need* a mech. The Provari has protections that won't let you put out that much power (amp draw?)

 

[Nomoreash]

The only reason you'd need a mechanical is for higher wattage and/or sub ohm. RBAs depending on the build use lower ga more durable coil that can handle more heat and wicks that allow the juice flow better so they can handle higher wattage. As long as you stay within the limit of the chip and that satisfies you there's no need for a mech, plus you get the protection, consistency and range that a mech won't provide.

The DNA can push 20w and handle ohms down to .6 I think, many call it a mechanical killer because of the limits. The Provari can push 15w and I've heard of people going down to .9 ohms with it but I've never tried it that low. I don't have a DNA yet and like to keep my builds on the Provari in the 1.2 - 1.5 ohm range which gives me plenty of room to adjust for a satisfying vape.

With what you described above staying in the 2.8-3.5 ohm range you could use it on basically anything. I personally prefer going lower with the ohms and use 30ga Kanthal on the Provari which makes it easy to build 1.2-1.5 ohm coils with little to no lag time, tried 28ga but it takes to many wraps to get there and increases lag, 28ga is great for mechs though.

It's all preference, you'll find yours once you start experimenting but I really think you're going to find you get better results well below 2.8-3.5 ohms even on a 5v fixed.

 

[Optimo114]

I usually keep all of my rebuilds at 1.8-2.2. I like running my 1.8 at 4.2 volts. I just got my Kayfun Lite Plus yesterday and it is heaven on my provari

 

[Thrasher]

your going to have a hard time with standard wire going high resistance it will be very thin or too many wraps to heat efficiently.

I know high voltage vaping was big a few years back but is not needed anymore. especially with a dna20/VV device and the ability to control the resistance wrapping your own coils..

with that said all i use are rbas and run them quite well on the provari, semovar and dna 20 in the 1.2 -1.8 ohm range.

any lower and i go to a mechanical.

 

[Dlovell]

i have the cyclone afc and a dna 20 mod. Not my favorite combo, but it definitely works.



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[Rule62]

I use Kayfun Lites on my Provaris. 1.2 ohm micro coils with cotton wicks.

 

[mavric]

I don't understand what you're saying..the provari is picky? Or..... genesis atomizers can be a PITA to build.

I think the ProVari is picky, yes, but it's a good kind of picky if that makes sense. I build my Genesis attys at about 1.0-1.2 ohms (which is the lowest ProVari will take) and sometimes it'll vape fine and then I'll pick it up in 5 minutes and get E1 errors. I don't get that from anything else I throw on top.

 

[donnah]

I have 2 genesis attys (DIDS) that I use cotton instead of mesh. I build my (micro) coils to around 1 to 1.4Ω and they run well on the provari. Back when I used mesh in the DIDs.. I pretty much had to use a mech because the vape just wasn't good (to me) unless the coil was at .8Ω and the provari had a problem consistently running that low of a resistance. Once I switched to micros and cotton and could increase my resistance, I could then use them on the provari again.

I build my kayfun coils at 1 to 1.2Ω and use them on both my mechs and provaris. I don't use mesh anymore.. only micros with cotton in everything.

 

[lasttango]

your going to have a hard time with standard wire going high resistance it will be very thin or too many wraps to heat efficiently.

I know high voltage vaping was big a few years back but is not needed anymore. especially with a dna20/VV device and the ability to control the resistance wrapping your own coils..

with that said all i use are rbas and run them quite well on the provari, semovar and dna 20 in the 1.2 -1.8 ohm range.

any lower and i go to a mechanical.

Yeah, good point… many good points in this thread…

The thing is I have a handful of fixed 5v mods… guess I was hoping to use it on them too.. but I guess mech mods are inexpensive enough these days were I can grab one of these to use in addition to my VV device…

which forum is the appropriate forum to ask advice on coil builds? I feel confident with building them, but not with the math part of it yet… in other words… which wire etc to use…

Thanks

 

[Jazzi Mike]

Ugh I don't know where this mechanical mod and RBA ridiculousness got started. You can totally use regulated mods. I used to use 32 gauge Kanthal and wrap 2 ohm coils for my VV mods almost all the time. It worked perfectly well. Plus, then I didn't need an ohm meter because my mods would read it.

The added safety features don't hurt either.

 

[kazimir]

I wont have a mech till thursday. With that said, I have used my provaris with a zap, cobra, rsst, trident, term-c, kfl, and some other. Never had an issue with any as long as the ohms were over .9. I found the sweet spot to be between 1.2 and 1.7ohm and I generally vape at ohms+3 volts

 

[Ref Minor]

The Kayfun was designed to go on the Semovar or vice versa.

 

[Nomoreash]

which forum is the appropriate forum to ask advice on coil builds? I feel confident with building them, but not with the math part of it yet… in other words… which wire etc to use…

Thanks

There's not much to it and you get the hang of it pretty quick. At the same length/number or wraps thicker lower ga wire will get you lower ohms than the same length/number of wraps with higher ga wire.

With regulated mods I tend to stick with 30ga and 32 is popular also. 4 wraps with 30ga puts me at 1.5ish ohms or a little less depending on the build and RBA, I try not to go more than 5 wraps or lag starts to become more noticeable. If you want to get higher toward the 2ish ohm range you'll probably want to go with 32ga. I wouldn't recommend going any smaller than 32ga it's less durable and harder to work with.

28ga is great for mechs and building micro coils which I haven't tried yet but with most regulated devices it takes more wraps to get the ohm high enough and lag is more noticeable. I'd recommend starting with 30ga and go from there, it's probably the most versatile with both mechs and regulated.

For wire if you don't already have a source Temco is a great place, you can get enough Kanthal A1 to last several lifetimes for a few bucks with free shipping, they sell both on Ebay and through their website.

Resistance Wire

As far as a builds, RBA or anything related you can ask away here and I also find Youtube to be a great resource for getting the hang of new builds.

 

[Jerms]

It's personal preference, but I find 28ga Kanthal to work great on a variable device. As long as it's a micro coil though, since they need less power to heat up quick. One of my drippers has a 12 wrap micro of 28ga Kanthal at 1.2 ohms that heats up instantly on my VAMO and on mechs. Especially with a DNA 20, 28ga should work great.