Does Glycerin = VG?

[darkseerx]

Hi, I have a small bottle of Glycerin U.S.P. It was being marketed in my pharmacy as a dry skin aid. A picture of the bottle is attached. I was wondering if this is the same thing as VG liquid, and can I use this to mix with my e-juice? How can I tell if it is usable?

Thanks in advance!

Note:
The text on the bottle says:
SWAN
Glycerin U.S.P
Emollient - For External Use Only
A valuable aid for dry skin
In case of accidental ingestion consult a doctor or Poison Control Center immediately.

 

[darkseerx]

Vegetable Glycerin ( VG)
wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerin]Glycerol
Smoother, more vapor.
Slightly thicker and sweeter.
Produces more vapor.
USP approved vegetable glycerin is used in 1500+ applications as additives to food and drink.
Glycerin can be found in the baking or craft areas in stores like Department, grocery, and hobby. It’s also can be found in pharmacies.

A.K.A.
Glycerin
Glycerine
Glycerol

For the United States, only use USP approved propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin.
If you live outside of the U.S., use only pharmaceutical approved VG and/or PG.

I think it is the same thing, but I want to be absolutely sure because the dumb company that made this glycerin put the toxicity warning on it. Can anyone who has tried this please comment? Thank you.

 

[harpo]

I think it is the same thing, but I want to be absolutely sure because the dumb company that made this glycerin put the toxicity warning on it. Can anyone who has tried this please comment? Thank you.

Yes that's the stuff. I bought some from walmart. It's a different brand but it has the same warning.

 

[Katattack]

Um apparently that brand can be animal derived glycerin or vegetable or a mix of both. I don't know if there's any risk to using animal derived glycerin though being a relative noob.
At a guess though if it's USP I think it's okay...I think.

 

[harpo]

If it's USP it's the right stuff. Read this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/52669-pg-vg-labeling-purity-please-read.html

 

[Katattack]

Ah good to know ty

 

[harpo]

By the way if you want PG Tractor Supply sells USP grade PG by the gallon for about $20.

 

[darkseerx]

Thanks guys. Appreciate all the info.
So lessons learned about Glycerin:
- No animal based glycerin.
- USP certified only (United States).
- It costs 3 dollars for 100mL at your local pharmacy.

 

[harpo]

Thanks guys. Appreciate all the info.
So lessons learned about Glycerin:
- No animal based glycerin.
- USP certified only (United States).
- It costs 3 dollars for 100mL at your local pharmacy.

You can get 4oz at Walmart for like $3.

 

[WillyB]

Thanks guys. Appreciate all the info.
So lessons learned about Glycerin:
- No animal based glycerin.
- USP certified only (United States).
- It costs 3 dollars for 100mL at your local pharmacy.

Should cost about $4 for 177 ml.

It's also interesting that somehow glycerin from crap like corn and soybeans is good and animal based is bad? Eating animal fat is what put us at the top of the food chain and made us the dominant species of this planet.

 

[Kent C]

Thanks guys. Appreciate all the info.
So lessons learned about Glycerin:
- No animal based glycerin.
- USP certified only (United States).
- It costs 3 dollars for 100mL at your local pharmacy.

There are some animal based glycerins. Don't know where you got that there isn't, if that's what you mean to say. I know that Humco and Now Foods are both vegetable sourced.

 

[darkseerx]

Should cost about $4 for 177 ml.

It's also interesting that somehow glycerin from crap like corn and soybeans is good and animal based is bad? Eating animal fat is what put us at the top of the food chain and made us the dominant species of this planet.

Animal-based glycerin is proven to go rancid faster, drys faster, and is not as pure as vegatable-based glycerin. It's not about being vegetarian, it's about results.

That's why everyone says VG instead of just glycerin. Food grade or pharmaceutical grade glycerin is almost always vegetable based. Therefore, in the US, USP verified means it is safe to vape.

Unfortunately as I am a new member, I am not allowed to post links, but you can get my source by Googling this phrase:
"Animal glycerin vs Veggie glycerin"

 

[Kent C]

Animal-based glycerin is proven to go rancid faster, drys faster, and is not as pure as vegatable-based glycerin. It's not about being vegetarian, it's about results.

That's why everyone says VG instead of just glycerin. Food grade or pharmaceutical grade glycerin is almost always vegetable based. Therefore, in the US, USP verified means it is safe to vape.

Unfortunately as I am a new member, I am not allowed to post links, but you can get my source by Googling this phrase:
"Animal glycerin vs Veggie glycerin"

found this:

It is a relatively simple chemical

C-OH
|
C-OH
|
C-OH

It can be synthesized starting with propylene and chlorine, but with the current production of biodiesel in the world, glycerine is in surplus and this process is not economically viable. Regardless of its source - animal fat, vegetable fat, synthetic production - it is the same chemical and in its pure state you will not be able to differentiate it based on source.

 

[WillyB]

I realize it's all plant based now (I would hesitate to actually call it vegetable). Tons of it are produced daily all over the world. It's a byproduct of the biodiesel industry. Dow Chemical the last producer of synthetic glycerin closed it's US plant in 2006.

The U.S. biodiesel industry is expected to produce an estimated 1.4 billion pounds of glycerin valued at $289 million between 2006 and 2015.

And this:

ADM is throwing its significant weight behind exploring new uses. In mid-July 2006, ADM scientist Paul Bloom told a crowd at a two-day biomass conference in Grand Forks, N.D., that his company plans to develop and produce industrial products like propylene glycol and other “large-volume” chemicals from glycerin.... In November 2005, ADM announced plans to build a polyols facility that would use glycerin-based feedstocks to produce propylene glycol and ethylene glycol.

I guess now we will have to be looking for VPG also.

I found the rancid comment interesting. The so called vegetable oils have to be refrigerated after being opened as they quickly start oxidizing, yet animal products like lard, butter and bacon grease can sit around for days at room temperature.

It's immaterial to me as I use very small amounts of glycerin, I prefer PG based liquids.

 

[darkseerx]

I hate when we find conflicting information :/

But whatever, I am going to vape it anyway, as so many have before me

 

[Kent C]

I hate when we find conflicting information :/

But whatever, I am going to vape it anyway, as so many have before me

Lol. Me too. 80% of what I vape is VG from Decadent Vapours and for DIY I use Now foods VG which is sourced from vegetables but I do it for their purity rating and company quality control. I also use TW's Aqueous Glycerin made by DV above.

 

[woodman]

Lol. Me too. 80% of what I vape is VG from Decadent Vapours and for DIY I use Now foods VG which is sourced from vegetables but I do it for their purity rating and company quality control. I also use TW's Aqueous Glycerin made by DV above.

My quest for a diy tw tobacco led me to the understanding of this new (to me) "Aqueous Glycerin". Which I have learned is just glycerin with 15% deionize water so it wicks better as vg as we buy it is too thick to wick well.

 

[AlexTM]

Check this thread for good information about the labeling issue: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/52669-pg-vg-labeling-purity-please-read.html

 

[Kent C]

Check this thread for good information about the labeling issue: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/52669-pg-vg-labeling-purity-please-read.html

...and

Pharmacopoeia (USP), British Pharmacopoeia (BP), Japanese Pharmacopoeia (JP) and European. Pharmacopoeia (EP).

Pretty sure US and UK standards are comparable. Not sure about the others.

 

[Kent C]

My quest for a diy tw tobacco led me to the understanding of this new (to me) "Aqueous Glycerin". Which I have learned is just glycerin with 15% deionize water so it wicks better as vg as we buy it is too thick to wick well.

Some popular dilutions of VG are 15, 17 and 20%. They're necessary if that's the only thing in the base. I deionize all my VG first even if blending with PG. But the AG from DV is already blended.