Does nicotine level deliver the "kick" ?..

[Soundsystem00]

I'm on a constant journey to find the sweet spot. I want that KICK.. That I get with cigarettes.

A friend gave me a bottle of juice called "spearmint".. It is 24mg and has the kick.

I just ordered 5 bottles of juices, they are all 16mg. Unfortunately they are way too mellow. I have to crank up my battery to full blast and it still is not quite there. I don't like menthol, or spearmint, but I love that kick I got.

I was just wondering, next time I order a bunch of sweet flavors, should I get 24mg ?

some people tell me the nicotine levels are what gives you that kick, or "throat hit", but other say it isn't.

When am I going to stop this search? Going on three months of trial and error with tanks, batteries, and flavors. When does it end? I almost smoked a cigarette today. My friend light up a Marlboro red and i was sitting there with my ecig barely hitting. I got a new battery, the etwist. I'm very happy with it and it delivers the voltage I like... But when am I going to find a good flavor??

I apologize for the rant. My question is this : do high nicotine levels deliver a better kick, or "throat hit" ?

thanks.

 

[steved5600]

I think what you are talking about is also called hit or TH Throat Hit. Yes Nicotine will deliver a Kick or TH. Some flavors will do that also and you can put water or alcohol in the juice to get TH and I believe there is another chemical you can add. Don't remember the name. I DIY my juice and I have a high nic level right now. I am in the process of reducing the nic level over time as I am now disgusted by tobacco. I will probably always vape but do it less and with much lower nic levels. I hope to get to the point were it is just every so often. So far I have had little issue with reducing it.
Short answer is YES LOL.

 

[Soundsystem00]

Very much appreciated! Thanks.

 

[gjshaw29]

I've also noticed with sweet flavors I really don't get a TH at all. It's more for the flavor of the juice. You could look into rebuildables those you can build to whatever ohms you want to adjust for TH. Just something to look into Hope you find what you're looking for soon.

 

[Red_Bird]

Vape a red hot cinnamon eliquid at 18 mg nic.....You will get sweet and a lotta th kick!

 

[MistaKuraudo]

The throat hit changes depending on the amount of nicotine and PG in your juice, and whatever voltage you're vaping at with whatever you're vaping with. Lol. Hope that makes sense.

Either way, it's more than how high the nic level in your juice is, although that is a major factor.

 

[Soundsystem00]

Well.. I got a bottom coil tank and the hits are a lot smoother. It's pretty hard to get a throat hit unless I crank it all the way up on the ego twist. You're right though, it's hard to get a TH out of the sweet flavors. There are a few out there that kick though. Blueberry cheesecake did well. Bubble berry did too. It was a berry/bubblegum flavor.

I'm going back up to 24mg nicotine next time. Wish me luck.

*on a mission*

 

[volume control]

Keep your PG at 70+ and mg at 24 youll have no issue with any flavor. Thats what ive found and thats what i vape. Keep on man

 

[Aheadatime]

Well ohms/voltage matters alot, as does the battery's ability to regulate voltage. This is why some mods cost more than others usually, because they regulate voltage with a consistent stability until the battery dies. Say your ego twist is set to 4.3 volts, but the battery is half-dead. It may end up only putting out 3.9 or 4.0 volts instead of the desired 4.3. This is what I mean with voltage regulation. With higher end mods, the battery will consistently put out whatever voltage you want it to until it is dead or very near dead.

It's also important that you know exactly what the ohms on your tank device is. Some may be advertised at 1.8 for example, but actually be in the 2.1 ballpark. So if you have a half-dead battery that isn't regulating properly, and a higher resistance head than advertised, than the throat hit won't be as present as it should be. So having proper gear goes a long way in the vape experience.

I'd recommend getting a Vamo V2 as a beginners "high end" mod. It regulates more consistently than twists/spinners but less consistently than ProVaris, comes equipped with an ohms reader so you can see precisely what resistance your coil is putting up, can be used in variable wattage or variable voltage, and if you purchase high quality batteries (a mere 3-5$ dollar difference between 'high quality' and 'low quality' batteries, so get the higher quality ones), than the device should last you all day before having to charge up.

As for the bottom coil devices, I've personally found that top-coil systems give me a warmer vape with a bit more throat hit than bottom-coil devices. I've even re-wicked my ProTank with hemp and removed the flavor wicks, and its still a tad too "smooth" for my liking. My custom built Vivi Novas, however, are my go-to clearos for a warm vape with good throat hit.

Yes, higher nic levels will give more throat hit. So will higher PG levels and lower VG levels (although I can't stand high PG). But keep these things I've listed in mind as well, as the vape experience is composed of numerous factors. Good luck to you, vape on.

 

[Soundsystem00]

Well ohms/voltage matters alot, as does the battery's ability to regulate voltage. This is why some mods cost more than others usually, because they regulate voltage with a consistent stability until the battery dies. Say your ego twist is set to 4.3 volts, but the battery is half-dead. It may end up only putting out 3.9 or 4.0 volts instead of the desired 4.3. This is what I mean with voltage regulation. With higher end mods, the battery will consistently put out whatever voltage you want it to until it is dead or very near dead.

It's also important that you know exactly what the ohms on your tank device is. Some may be advertised at 1.8 for example, but actually be in the 2.1 ballpark. So if you have a half-dead battery that isn't regulating properly, and a higher resistance head than advertised, than the throat hit won't be as present as it should be. So having proper gear goes a long way in the vape experience.

I'd recommend getting a Vamo V2 as a beginners "high end" mod. It regulates more consistently than twists/spinners but less consistently than ProVaris, comes equipped with an ohms reader so you can see precisely what resistance your coil is putting up, can be used in variable wattage or variable voltage, and if you purchase high quality batteries (a mere 3-5$ dollar difference between 'high quality' and 'low quality' batteries, so get the higher quality ones), than the device should last you all day before having to charge up.

As for the bottom coil devices, I've personally found that top-coil systems give me a warmer vape with a bit more throat hit than bottom-coil devices. I've even re-wicked my ProTank with hemp and removed the flavor wicks, and its still a tad too "smooth" for my liking. My custom built Vivi Novas, however, are my go-to clearos for a warm vape with good throat hit.

Yes, higher nic levels will give more throat hit. So will higher PG levels and lower VG levels (although I can't stand high PG). But keep these things I've listed in mind as well, as the vape experience is composed of numerous factors. Good luck to you, vape on.

Wow, holy ..... Thank you..

I just dropped another 40 bucks on a new battery and a new tank. Not to mention I spent $30 on juices and wicks last week. It's just getting out of hand. That being said, I can sell this stuff very easily, so that's comforting..

But still, when is it going to stop? I don't want a mod because its too heavy to lug around all day. I ride the bus and trains around downtown Dallas for almost 4 hours total throughout the day. The ego twist is too big as it is..

I was more happy with my vivi nova mini tank with a small ego T upgrade battery. I used low voltage wicks. The result was me getting massive hits from a tiny, portable unit. Only down side was that I went through wicks fast. Very 4-5 days. I actually fried the whole tank because I didn't buy a new wick soon enough.

Yes this tank is too smooth. I'm just going to try to be patient and stay put. This is getting out of control. I don't like large tanks either. I like the smallest tanks possible.

So confused lol. I just want to find something and stick with it. I'm constantly going through flavors, batteries, and tanks. I think it's turning into a hobby more than anything. But it's also becoming an addiction. Instead of lowering levels of nicotine and tapering down, I just want more and more kick.

IM FEINDING MAN

 

[drewbalicious]

If it's any consolation, I've been cigarette free for over 2 years now and I could still smoke one right now. For some people the craving/desire completely disappears, for others, not so much.

The key is finding a setup that does it for you. Everyone I talk to about making the switch to e-cigs, I'm honest with them and tell them, finding the right setup is the hardest part. Finding your ADV's (all day vapes) meaning juice flavors, is the second hardest part.

For my whole first year of vaping, I wouldn't touch menthol juices with a 10ft pole. I was happy with what I had, my 12-16mg juices gave me plenty of TH and I was fine with that. After time went by I found myself wanting to drop the nic level but, much like you've recently discovered, dropping the nic level almost always drops the TH factor.

I then discovered Roar Vapor: Home page and found, in my opinon one of the finest tasting juice vendors around. Mike does fantastic flavors, you will see all over his site recommending "try it mentholated", he's not lying you really should. Menthol can simulate a fantastic TH, unless of course your body doesn't agree with the menthol, then you might have to stick with the higher nic juices.

To be honest, if it wasn't for menthol juices, I couldn't vape 6mg. There is absolutely no TH in it for me. I hope something in there helps.

 

[steved5600]

Just revisited this to point out that some of the flavors like cinnamon will melt tanks and drip tips. Here are a list of ones that have been found to melt tanks etc.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tanks/219179-lets-make-list-juices-flavors-crack-tanks-ce2s-clearos.html

It occurred to me later that the kick you feel is not a TH but just the nicotine rush. At 16mg and up I use to get those until I hit about 6 months then I guess my system got use to it and did not feel that rush. I was a 2-4 cigar a day Inhaler and not the small ones and I smoked them to a nub. So I was getting a lot of nic. So I started pretty high on the nic level.

 

[SissySpike]

Check out the Joker from Vaperlife its small is regulated very well and uses rechargeable. Its VV and easy to adjust it uses a potentiometer rather than digital. So no button pushing or menus.

Makes more since to have a few small batteries in your back pack rather than some ego bats

 

[BostLabs]

Vape a red hot cinnamon eliquid at 18 mg nic.....You will get sweet and a lotta th kick!

No kidding Red. I have some of that type of juice. It does indeed have a goooooood TH.

 

[Worzel]

When I first started vaping, I wanted TH, now I just want a good plume and FLAVOR! Nicotine has a peppery taste that does not go well with some flavors. My hubby comments that I never put my PV down. It is because I crave the flavors I have.

 

[ShaneBlack]

Call me old school in the world of vaping, but I like the tank atomizers with the spike / wick. Joyetech has them for the 510 and for EGO batteries, or vv bateries. I've never had a problem with TH on these, I get good TH down to 16mg strength. My E-liquid company I buy from does not print the pg/vg mixture but only says it has both in it. My favorite liquid is RY4, it is kinda sweet and at 24mg gives a real good TH at 3.3volts on my ego-t tank atty. These atties maybe older technology but I've found them to work good. They even have a rebuildable version called Vision Eternity. You can drip with it and it holds 35 drops, or you can use tank cartridges in tank mode with it. I've had Blueberry and grape flavors which were sweet at 16mg. TH was still there, my devices put out a cool vapor so I don't know if that could be factor too.

 

[D4rk50ul]

This is one of those subject's I think I disagree with the majority of vapers on. I don't like seeing people keep going up in their MG just to try to get a cigarette like hit. Generally it just causes people to consume way too much nicotine and still not have the results they are looking for. We will never be able to get the instant rush a combustible cigarette delivers because it contains thousands of chemicals to enhance nicotine's delivery to your system.

The closest thing out there right now are RBA's, in particular Genesis style ones. I get more buzz with 6mg in my 0.7ohm DID than I do with 18mg in a Carto and I don't get headaches and stuff after a long vape session. Think of vaping as a slow buildup of nicotine in your body where as smoking is a shot of it straight into your bloodstream.

 

[scalewiz]

Normally I use a 16 mg liquid, and vape it at about 15-18 watts. Gives me great vapor and flavor, but with the nic level it really doesn't deliver the throat hit and nicotine rush. For the 3 or 4 times a day when I feel I need a quick kick, I keep a CE2 sitting handy that's loaded with 45 mg juice of light tobacco flavor. When I feel the need, 3 or 4 hits on this will deliver exactly what I am looking for. I can't chain vape this or vape it all day, but it helps get me over the hump. In fact, my body tells me when to set it down. In a couple minutes I will forget all about an analog.

 

[Plumes.91]

Nicotine does indeed deliver "THE KICK" but some juices just dont "kick" as hard as others, no matter the nic content. It is a scientific anomaly that many have back-breakingly researched for YEARS ON END!! D: (No, your wrong, breakingly IS a word. Its from the french word for snapping) Anyhoo, you can trust me, I'm a doctor. (specializing in money laundering and tax evasion mostly) But without reading the whole 2nd page, I can tell you something completely different from what most are saying here: Nicotine DOES INDEED provide the kick. If you are vaping 12mg juice, it is going to give you a lesser TH than, say... hmm.. if you were vaping 17mg juice. (although 17mg pre-made juice is VERY RARE and HARD to find... It IS out there, and it is 1mg better than the 16mg juice in the TH department, that I am SURE of! (Although, 1mg isn't very much and it would not be too big of a difference lol)

what u will *basically* find out there on *most* juice sites? 8mg, 12mg, 16mg, 18mg, 24mg, and 34mg. If you are vaping 16mg juice right now, I pretty much recommend that you TRY (do not go ham and buy up every bottle of 18mg juice under the sun, lol) the 18mg juice in your choice of flavor and/or flavors, plural. 18mg is not going to be a HUGE difference though. What you need to remember is your TH is going to increase when you increase the NIC amount.. BUT, the effex from the nicotine will ALSO increase, obviously. So your going to want to watch out for that. For instance, if you want a better TH than your getting from 12mg and you hop to 18mg.. Thats going to be a very nice hop. Your going to enjoy the 18mg juice for it's TH probably. BUT, you may be very used to vaping 12mg juice by now, and when you hop to the 18mg juice, you may find that your vaping for a shorter period of time, because your body does not want more nicotine, your head just wants more punch to your throat.

What do I do? What do I recommend? I recommend you stick with a lower mg nicotine and then if you just cannot take it anymore, hit the 18mg stuff and get all satisfied-y and stuff. y'know? Like, if you absolutely love green grapes, thats great! eat them! If you go on vacation with your family, and your luxury hotel room has a staff of 5 house keepers, 1 of which, asks you if you'd like your grape skin peeled off and fed to you... Hmmm.. Your probably going to enjoy this luxury. But remember sir, when you return home, your green grapes will have the skin left on them unfortunately. & I'm willing to bet you will not want to hire estonella hernandes estabon franchesco sancho-deloquinta the 2nd, and pay her 10.75 an hour to peel your grapes for you each day. :/ NOT gonna happen. (Your WIFE.. will kill you! After estonella the 2nd gives her a mani-pedi, i'm sure.. lol)

To make a long story longer, I recommend you try the 18mg. Just a small bottle. If you like it and you like the vape-pace it allots you, then perhaps you can think about sticking with the 18mg. If 18mg STILL isn't enough.. but you DO enjoy the vape pace it allots you, then you should/could switch out to 18mg and then perhaps you could buy some 24mg for those special occassions when you'd really like a nice kick. I do not recommend instantaneously switching up to 18 or 24mg juice without even trying it out for a day or two on and off with your other 16mg juice in rotation. Its not dangerous to hop up. (not really, not at all really) But, you just want to know your body. Take time. Make sure that you are not having a bad reaction. yknow?

I make my own juice. This is another option. You could buy yourself a bottle of 48mg flavorless juice, some blunt tip syringes, and then you could make yourself a bottle of 18mg juice by mixing your current favorite juices into a small (calculated and properly measured) solution of the 48mg juice. This is what I do when I am looking for a bit of a kick on a stressed out day. That way your not stuck with 30mg of 18 or 24mg juice, if you find out it is not for you. awesome! But if you do go this rout, I recommend you hit the DIY forums here on ECF and do a bit of safety research on mixing high purity nicotine solution into your juice. It is simple enough with a e-liquid-calculator [found with a simple google search! [theres even an app for that! ] and a little research here on the DIY forum. I make and vape my own e-liquid almost exclusively these days. Its a lot cheaper than buying pre-made, and its fun too. My favorite is keylime pie!

Anyhoo, all I am saying? Just take the proper precautions and you will enjoy a higher mg juice thoroughly I am sure! I can personally hop from 12mg to 18mg with little to no head change or change in my body. But, I remember a time when I could notice the change more than I do now, so perhaps my body has become accustomed to the switching. I vape 12mg when I am running low on my nicotine solution, and 18 when I am looking for a strong TH. But, for the most part, I do like to vape 12mg and only 18 on the rare occasion that I would like to make, and vape (for a day or so) a stronger liquid. (which, is not that rare. I do, do it, fairly often. at least once a month.) But yeah, just buy a bottle of the 18 and give her a try. It may even turn out to be your new juice level. But, I do caution you, jumping more than 1 level can make you end up feeling a bit sick or woozy. 1 of the number 1 things I see here that I try to help with is people are vaping too high a nicotine level (and sometimes too low as well) I personally do not like to see that people are starting out vaping with 24mg juices. I honestly do not even like to see noobs starting with 18. I think, personally, that 12mg is great (FOR ME) but some people do enjoy the 18mg daily... and.. (grr) the 24. lol. I mean, we are ALL DIFFERENT. I am a very small man, weighing in at only 150 pounds and under 5'5'' your weight, believe it or not, could very well possibly be a factor in what level you will need/enjoy.

But my general theory is that you should try to NOT vape something that will bite your throat perfectly every single hit. Because that could very well lead to some problems. Sore throat even. I like to vape a juice that satisfies me. Then I try to keep a step-up juice handy, and I'll grab a tank of that when I am feeling stressed. Its nice to have a tank of the 18 for when I really "need" to step up. If I switch from 12 to 18 for my daily.. then I become accustomed to it and if I get really angry or depressed and/or I want a good TH, I pretty much don't even go up to 24 for the most part.

I hope I have thoroughly confused you all! JUST KIDDING! I hope this ridiculously long wall of txt has helped someone! (hopefully the Original Poster, and many others? lol) Good luck OP! And enjoy your new obsession. Try not to spend (toomuch) more than you did when smoking. Reward yourself with a new mod or a new tank every once in a while.. But be careful! It can be addictive! (not just the nicotine anymore. lol. This forum, and buying new mods/accessories/juice, and also, just the envy of others! Especially in the Pics of your setup threads! They can be a killer to your poor wallet! TRUST me! lol. Have a good day sir! plumes.91 OUT!

 

[Plumes.91]

If I didn't make it clear in my above post, let me seperate it and put it here: You can indeed "Get used" to the level of nicotine you are on. In both the effects, and the TH department. (at least this is what I have experienced) If this occures... You may want to hit on a lower level for a bit! Yes! A LOWER level! haha. You could possibly try going down to the 12mg (that is what I regularly vape) and then after an hour, two, three, four hours of vaping the 12, go back to the 16. It can definitely help cleanse the palette and the throat, to allow you to feel more TH from your regular sixteeeen milligram juice! pretty neet, huh!? I find (personal opinion warning!) that the 12mg is a great level. I hope you will find your sweet spots! OH! and I forgot to add my signature "ENJOY YOUR VAPING JOURNEY!' (which i add to most of my longer posts, lol) Enjoy!