does no one like premium?

[Fattlestar]

I still haven't tried ITC. Vapewild has been excellent though. In five or six orders now I've accumulated like 120ml of free juice that came with what I actually ordered. Never seen anything like that from other companies I've ordered from.

ITC looks good though. Hefty guidelines for steeping, but that's no big deal. Never bothered with MBV, probably never will unless I get a freebie or something.

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

I love to drink 5 year old Knob Creek small batch, but at the end of the week it's Jim Beam.

After 30 years, I switched from smoking to vaping for my health and to save money.

After a year, my FT SVD and MVP2 still work. MBV, VW and ITC get that and most people are more than good with what works at a value.



More bread anyone?

I love know creek. Nothing like my Johnnie walker though.

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

I actually just put an order in for vape wild. I'll do a full review when they come in.

 

[PLANofMAN]

I really need to try casey Jones mainland or whatever it's called. Looks like an up and coming company. The reason I stopped trying the cheaper companies is cause I usually never like them and after all that it's a waste of money, not much money but still a waste. I've liked almost every higher end juice that I've had.

Casey Jones Mainline Reserve.

A point that hasn't been brought up yet, but is important is this...
Cheap juice. Costs between .03¢ and .05¢ per ml. to make.
Expensive juice. Costs between .05¢ and 15¢ per ml. to make.

Stick either in a glass bottle (50¢ in bulk) with a dropper (15¢) and a fancy gold encrusted label (10¢) and you have yourself a "premium" juice.

Then there's barrel aged juices and WTA juices, but that's a level of premium vaping that 99% of vapers never try.

Edit: my all day vape is a "Marlboro" flavor, made by Aroma Ejuice, called Beatle Juice. Their juices are premium juices that use only the highest quality ingredients. I've even visited Aroma's lab. (and yes, they are one of the few e-liquid vendors who actually have a laboratory). They also, for the most part, use plain labels and plastic dripper bottles.

I'm pretty sure Aroma uses the same Italian flavoring for "Beatle Juice" that Liqua (a decidedly non-premium priced vendor) uses in their "American Blend" ejuice.

I've found that particular flavor in no other e-liquids.

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

Casey Jones Mainline Reserve.

A point that hasn't been brought up yet, but is important is this...
Cheap juice. Costs between .03¢ and .05¢ per ml. to make.
Expensive juice. Costs between .05¢ and 15¢ per ml. to make.

Stick either in a glass bottle (50¢ in bulk) with a dropper (15¢) and a fancy gold encrusted label (10¢) and you have yourself a "premium" juice.

Then there's barrel aged juices and WTA juices, but that's a level of premium vaping that 99% of vapers never try.

Cool story bro.

 

[PLANofMAN]

Cool story bro.

With trollish attitudes like that, I don't think you'll last long here.

E-liquid is cheap. Dirt cheap to make. Many vendors got their premium, popular juice recipes straight from ECF's DIY section or copied them from other vendors. That's the way this market works.

If you don't understand that, I can't help you.

 

[smacuser]

I actually just put an order in for vape wild. I'll do a full review when they come in.

What did you order, and do you plan on any steep time?

Just to be clear, in my opinion premium means the juice has complexity, it's presteeped to perfection and the right combination of each ingredient.

You may have wasted your money and our time to make a point on this one.

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

With trollish attitudes like that, I don't think you'll last long here.

E-liquid is cheap. Dirt cheap to make. Many vendors got their premium, popular juice recipes straight from ECF's DIY section or copied them from other vendors. That's the way this market works.

If you don't understand that, I can't help you.

Lol what is with you man?

I don't see how anything you said is relevant.

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

What did you order, and do you plan on any steep time? You may have wasted your money and our time to make a point on this one.

On cloud custard and sweet complexity. I'm going to test them straight out of the mail and then let them steep.

I don't really know how to respond to your other comment. I did not waste my money since I enjoy the juices I buy and I didn't waste anyones time, because this is obviously a thread about premium juice. The comment fit the thread.

 

[Don Robertson]

Maybe, but a crap sandwich is a crap sandwich.

Since as folks warn ..........."taste is subjective" - what is "crap" to you might be a "favorite" of others. I'm an old geezer and 'taste' for me settles around not getting the "toss my cookies" feeling no matter how inexpensive or costly ANY juice might be; that's why I stick with ECBlends and ITC. I took a chance on some from Butterfly's Custom Juice which several folks on ECF raved about and it should be here today. I let ALL juice "age" (steeping is for tea) two weeks and shake the heck out of it twice daily.

You note: "Everyone's always talking about mt baker, ITCvapes and vape wild. No one talks about the premium stuff. The premium stuff is so good!" (Emphasis added).

Your "...so good" is still "subjective" and that will never change - cost be darned. No matter how many folks love a particular juice it will always come back to being "subjective"; there are no "guarantees" when it comes to "taste". Vendors who claim their juice is "premium" typically charge a ridiculous price but even that does not mean squat as to "quality".

Senile Old Man Donnie

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

Since as folks warn ..........."taste is subjective" - what is "crap" to you might be a "favorite" of others. I'm an old geezer and 'taste' for me settles around not getting the "toss my cookies" feeling no matter how inexpensive or costly ANY juice might be; that's why I stick with ECBlends and ITC. I took a chance on some from Butterfly's Custom Juice which several folks on ECF raved about and it should be here today. I let ALL juice "age" (steeping is for tea) two weeks and shake the heck out of it twice daily.

You note: "Everyone's always talking about mt baker, ITCvapes and vape wild. No one talks about the premium stuff. The premium stuff is so good!" (Emphasis added).

Your "...so good" is still "subjective" and that will never change - cost be darned. No matter how many folks love a particular juice it will always come back to being "subjective"; there are no "guarantees" when it comes to "taste". Vendors who claim their juice is "premium" typically charge a ridiculous price but even that does not mean squat as to "quality".

Senile Old Man Donnie

I don't think that $18, $20 or even $22 is a ridiculous price to pay for quality stuff. I think 5pawns is over charging, which is why I will never buy them. If I made craft e liquid I would charge the same price. You gotta take pride in your creation.

 

[shucknjive]

Everyone's always talking about mt baker, ITCvapes and vape wild. No one talks about the premium stuff. The premium stuff is so good!

This is an interested thread.

I have tried and enjoyed what I consider to be "premium" brands such as Hurricane Vapors and Five Pawns. Average cost per mil there is generally .75+

More often, I order from vendors such as ITC Vapes, Vape Wild and In The Clouds, whose average price per ml is less than .45, even at small quantities. I don't order from MBV, whose chemical tones in their juices really turn me off.

Are the "premium" brands twice as good? To me, the answer is "no". A bit more complex, maybe, but all in all, I started vaping to quit smoking cigarettes (which I've done successfully since Feb. 2013), and part of that was saving money on cigarettes. If I'm spending $100 + on vape juice every month, there is no savings.

The three brands I mentioned, as well as Keystone (I consider them a "tweener" pricewise, as they're at about .60/ml), deliver great-tasting juices at an affordable prices with solid customer service. The package is professional, and I don't give a damn about fancy packaging or anything like that.

Now, your experience may vary. Please know that I have no problem buying generic in the grocery or drug store, that's the type of guy I am (read "The Millionaire Next Door"), not that I'm a millionaire, but I try to be frugal

 

[93gc40]

I keep a $9 - 30ml cheap bottle of juice from the cig store around, in case I run out, of the Premium juice I order online or from the BM vape shop. The Vape shop sells the same juice plus msny others, as the cig store. Difference being the bottle size 1 store is $9 for 30ml the other you get 10-15ml. Cig store has 1-2 brands and maybe 20 flavors, BM has 20 brands and multiple flavors of each.. BM you get to taste before you buy, Cig store or online, not so much.

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

This is an interested thread.

I have tried and enjoyed what I consider to be "premium" brands such as Hurricane Vapors and Five Pawns. Average cost per mil there is generally .75+

More often, I order from vendors such as ITC Vapes, Vape Wild and In The Clouds, whose average price per ml is less than .45, even at small quantities. I don't order from MBV, whose chemical tones in their juices really turn me off.

Are the "premium" brands twice as good? To me, the answer is "no". A bit more complex, maybe, but all in all, I started vaping to quit smoking cigarettes (which I've done successfully since Feb. 2013), and part of that was saving money on cigarettes. If I'm spending $100 + on vape juice every month, there is no savings.

The three brands I mentioned, as well as Keystone (I consider them a "tweener" pricewise, as they're at about .60/ml), deliver great-tasting juices at an affordable prices with solid customer service. The package is professional, and I don't give a damn about fancy packaging or anything like that.

Now, your experience may vary. Please know that I have no problem buying generic in the grocery or drug store, that's the type of guy I am (read "The Millionaire Next Door"), not that I'm a millionaire, but I try to be frugal

I'm not wealthy. I live with my aunt and uncle. I work Mon - Fri (sometimes Saturday) doing construction work. I don't make an insane amount of money but I'm never broke (fortunately). But I do put money aside for the things that I enjoy. I like good food, craft beer, scotch and when I purchase things I like to buy the top notch stuff. Only because usually when you pay for quality you get quality. Don't get wrong, I know that doesn't always happen but in my experience its happens most often.

 

[ImThatGuy]

I consider premium ejuice premium if it has several things: an ISO certified lab grade facility, a clean room, a batch room, used ingredients that are known to be safe, and an SOP. If it has all of those, then I'll pay that 'premium' price.

 

[shucknjive]

I'm not wealthy. I live with my aunt and uncle. I work Mon - Fri (sometimes Saturday) doing construction work. I don't make an insane amount of money but I'm never broke (fortunately). But I do put money aside for the things that I enjoy. I like good food, craft beer, scotch and when I purchase things I like to buy the top notch stuff. Only because usually when you pay for quality you get quality. Don't get wrong, I know that doesn't always happen but in my experience its happens most often.

I guess I look at it from a math standpoint - if I'm paying double the price for a juice, I expect it to be 2x as good, not marginally a bit more complex.

I suppose if price weren't an issue, I'd vape only Nicoticket, Halo, Five Pawns, Hurricane....but then would I? I've been fortunate enough to find less expensive juices that can just about compete with the top-shelf stuff on their own merits. And that to me is the biggest accomplishment of juice vendors...

 

[shucknjive]

I consider premium ejuice premium if it has several things: an ISO certified lab grade facility, a clean room, a batch room, used ingredients that are known to be safe, and an SOP. If it has all of those, then I'll pay that 'premium' price.

What is an "SOP"?

 

[Lynn Miller]

In my line of work SOP=Standard Operating Procedures. Basically a written set of instruction to ensure that something is done the exact same way every time.

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

I guess I look at it from a math standpoint - if I'm paying double the price for a juice, I expect it to be 2x as good, not marginally a bit more complex.

I suppose if price weren't an issue, I'd vape only Nicoticket, Halo, Five Pawns, Hurricane....but then would I? I've been fortunate enough to find less expensive juices that can just about compete with the top-shelf stuff on their own merits. And that to me is the biggest accomplishment of juice vendors...

Yeah I can't argue with that. But I guess since I think the juice I vape is 5x better than the ones you mentioned, it is worth it to me.

 

[DeathBYzombieZ]

What is an "SOP"?

Lol I have no idea, that's why I didn't reply.