Does the new US political landscape aid vaping or further harm it?

[Cumulo Vapus]

Don't know much about US politics…apart from the drama from the months gone by.

Does new management (republicans in the oval office, house and senate) mean vaping might be viewed more sympathetically?

 

[daviedog]

Less Tension = less chance to fall off the wagon..

 

[pwheeler]

I don't know. Consider who the VP elect is. Pence as Governor of Indiana signed into law one of, if not THE worse anti vaping law in the country. Trump, now, has made it clear he doesn't like special interest groups and lobbyists, or big government. Maybe he might have a sympathetic ear if, once in office, he is inundated with petitions, letters and whatnot with our plea to reverse and take away vaping from the FDA. We can only hope this administration will be more helpful than the current one.

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[Eskie]

Your guess is as good as mine. This is probably one time I'd say policies on vaping are taking a backseat for me to what other policies will be coming along after this election.

 

[ckquatt]

I don't know. Consider who the VP elect is. Pence as Governor of Indiana signed into law one of, if not THE worse anti vaping law in the country. Trump, now, has made it clear he doesn't like special interest groups and lobbyists, or big government. Maybe he might have a sympathetic ear if, once in office, he is inundated with petitions, letters and whatnot with our plea to reverse and take away vaping from the FDA. We can only hope this administration will be more helpful than the current one.


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True but you know he's ALL ABOUT small businesses and wanting them to thrive. That's the angle I think needs to be given the focus! I think he'd be more sympathetic to that than anything else.

 

[Baditude]

One of Trump's selling points during his campaign was deregulation in order to help small businesses and the economy. I would consider vaping to be small business and the FDA Deeming to be over-regulation to the point that it puts vaping out of business.

On the downside, Trump's vice presidential running mate (Pence) made one of the worst legislative moves for his state while governor which has severely crippled vaping in Indiana.

 

[Eskie]

One of Trump's selling points during his campaign was deregulation in order to help small businesses. I would consider vaping to be small business and the FDA Deeming to be over-regulation to the point that it puts vaping out of business.

You would think. But if someone gives him a quick talking point about vaping being as bad as cigarettes, he could just as easily decide getting rid of them is a good idea. Due to the nature of the product, and the amount of misleading information out there, just being pro small business does not automatically equate to support for less regulation.

 

[evan le'garde]

I'm not American nor do i live in America. I do understand however that most of what candidates/MP's ect say during a run up to an election is complete hot air.

Mr Donald Trump, or President elect Trump (which ever you prefer) is fundamentally a property developer. What we will see from him over the next four years is the regeneration of America's infrastructure.

What we will not be seeing from him is any kind of dealings with lobbyists no matter who they are or represent, he simply doesn't need an extra two or three hundred thousand dollars here and there. That's the difference between him and absolutely every other potential candidate from any political party.

How can anyone expect anything other than focus on the country's infrastructure from President Trump. He simply doesn't know how to do anything else. He's just going to build stuff !!, and then build some more.

 

[pwheeler]

I think baditude made a good point about hating over regulation. And eskie made a good point about planting anti vaping propaganda in his ear. I follow Trump on Twitter and FB. Might be worth a try to plant a bug in his ear about our plight.

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[whodat2112]

I'm not American nor do i live in America. I do understand however that most of what candidates/MP's ect say during a run up to an election is complete hot air.

Mr Donald Trump, or President elect Trump (which ever you prefer) is fundamentally a property developer. What we will see from him over the next four years is the regeneration of America's infrastructure.

What we will not be seeing from him is any kind of dealings with lobbyists no matter who they are or represent, he simply doesn't need an extra two or three hundred thousand dollars here and there. That's the difference between him and absolutely every other potential candidate from any political party.

How can anyone expect anything other than focus on the country's infrastructure from President Trump. He simply doesn't know how to do anything else. He's just going to build stuff !!, and then build some more.

Agree 100%

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Historically, republicans have always favored businesses, large and small. I would think he would not support anything that put people and small business out of work, but we shall see. Fingers crossed.

 

[Bob Chill]

There was never any clear answer with either candidate. It's not a hot button topic and only affects a very small portion of voters so it shouldn't come as a surprise that nothing has been said about the topic. My guess is Trump can't/won't make it any worse than it already is and the chances at getting some much needed help are at least slightly better than if Clinton won.

OTOH- the vast majority of support for HR2058 and Cole/Bishop is republican. CB would kill many of our short term worries. That's the single most important thing on the horizon unless the lawsuits have an impact. If CB goes through then we have a lot of time to work on the parts of the deeming without complete market devastation by 2018.

 

[JustWondering1]

I think baditude made a good point about hating over regulation. And eskie made a good point about planting anti vaping propaganda in his ear. I follow Trump on Twitter and FB. Might be worth a try to plant a bug in his ear about our plight.

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Yes please!

 

[JustWondering1]

There was never any clear answer with either candidate. It's not a hot button topic and only affects a very small portion of voters so it shouldn't come as a surprise that nothing has been said about the topic. My guess is Trump can't/won't make it any worse than it already is and the chances at getting some much needed help are at least slightly better than if Clinton won.

OTOH- the vast majority of support for HR2058 and Cole/Bishop is republican. CB would kill many of our short term worries. That's the single most important thing on the horizon unless the lawsuits have an impact. If CB goes through then we have a lot of time to work on the parts of the deeming without complete market devastation by 2018.

I hope you are right. I think the odds are good that you are.

 

[sofarsogood]

I'm not American nor do i live in America. I do understand however that most of what candidates/MP's ect say during a run up to an election is complete hot air.

Mr Donald Trump, or President elect Trump (which ever you prefer) is fundamentally a property developer. What we will see from him over the next four years is the regeneration of America's infrastructure.

What we will not be seeing from him is any kind of dealings with lobbyists no matter who they are or represent, he simply doesn't need an extra two or three hundred thousand dollars here and there. That's the difference between him and absolutely every other potential candidate from any political party.

How can anyone expect anything other than focus on the country's infrastructure from President Trump. He simply doesn't know how to do anything else. He's just going to build stuff !!, and then build some more.

One of the potential advantages of putting a wealthy person in political office is they aren't so dependent on giving favors in return for financial support for getting elected, etc. They can take the high road without concern for personal finances. May be we'll get a principled President (not withstanding whether you agree with his principles). Trump brags about being a skilled deal maker. If he uses that to govern may be there will be some pleasant surprises. I owned a boutique manufacturing business back in the day. The gold standard in business is trust. If prospects trust you to make good you'll get your share of the business. Trump didn't become so successful by jerking people around and betraying the trust of others. I've said before, I voted for Trump because, if I have to be miserable, I want company. Boy oh boy to I have a lot of company today, lol.

 

[Bob Chill]

I hope you are right. I think the odds are good that you are.

I hope so too. It's tricky to get a read on Trump. He's been vague since day 1 and hasn't really offered any detailed plans about anything. Leaves us reading between the lines.

He has no actual elected official experience so he's an outsider about to become the head of the inside (which is still hard to believe). He's no doubt going to be swayed by his party's constituents. Especially early on and without question on "fringe issues". He'll likely listen to his party and just go with the flow. There are over 70 Reps backing HR2058. Some vape on Capitol Hill. That gives some hope that any type of attempt to curtail the deeming regs will get the support it needs. I'm not implying I think HR2058 is going to move just that anything like 2058/Cole-Bishop/FDA reform in general can give us at least a little hope that things break in our favor.

He's stated that he favors small business and less regulations. Money where his mouth is of course but if he truly is then this issue should be an easy decision for him and/or the GOP in general. What Pence did in IN gives me some pause but nothing we can do about that.

Current events like AG Tom Miller challenging Zeller, Johnson holding his seat in WI, A Billion Lives slowly going national, and increasing amounts of studies showing ecig harm to health and kids has been overstated certainly don't hurt our cause either. Fingers and toes crossed. I already prepared for the worst. All I can do is hope for the best and remain hopeful until all hope is lost.

 

[Eskie]

There was never any clear answer with either candidate. It's not a hot button topic and only affects a very small portion of voters so it shouldn't come as a surprise that nothing has been said about the topic. My guess is Trump can't/won't make it any worse than it already is and the chances at getting some much needed help are at least slightly better than if Clinton won.

OTOH- the vast majority of support for HR2058 and Cole/Bishop is republican. CB would kill many of our short term worries. That's the single most important thing on the horizon unless the lawsuits have an impact. If CB goes through then we have a lot of time to work on the parts of the deeming without complete market devastation by 2018.

With a Republican House and Senate, Cole Bishop is likely to be passed, and I expect Trump will sign it. That amendment is only a small part of that appropriations bill, and I can't see Trump tossing Republican passed legislation right off the bat, even if drafted pre-election. That would provide new new predicate date, and instructions to properly describe how things will be approved, and if not, why. It will certainly save a good portion of this industry.

Whether Trump would take any additional actions regarding vaping, I haven't a clue. He's about to find out there's an awful lot of stuff to deal with after taking office, and you're not going to get to all of it, so priorities will be the first step.

Oops, Bob hit reply like 5 minutes before me. Yeah, basically the same.

 

[zoiDman]

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Does new management (republicans in the oval office, house and senate) mean vaping might be viewed more sympathetically?

I would Think So.

Not gunna be a Complete 180 from the current Administration. But I believe that it Will Be More Positively Viewed.

 

[JustWondering1]

I hope so too. It's tricky to get a read on Trump. He's been vague since day 1 and hasn't really offered any detailed plans about anything. Leaves us reading between the lines.

He has no actual elected official experience so he's an outsider about to become the head of the inside (which is still hard to believe). He's no doubt going to be swayed by his party's constituents. Especially early on and without question on "fringe issues". He'll likely listen to his party and just go with the flow. There are over 70 Reps backing HR2058. Some vape on Capitol Hill. That gives some hope that any type of attempt to curtail the deeming regs will get the support it needs. I'm not implying I think HR2058 is going to move just that anything like 2058/Cole-Bishop/FDA reform in general can give us at least a little hope that things break in our favor.

He's stated that he favors small business and less regulations. Money where his mouth is of course but if he truly is then this issue should be an easy decision for him and/or the GOP in general. What Pence did in IN gives me some pause but nothing we can do about that.

Current events like AG Tom Miller challenging Zeller, Johnson holding his seat in WI, A Billion Lives slowly going national, and increasing amounts of studies showing ecig harm to health and kids has been overstated certainly don't hurt our cause either. Fingers and toes crossed. I already prepared for the worst. All I can do is hope for the best and remain hopeful until all hope is lost.

I totally agree with everything you've said. I was worried about Mike Pence too, but I feel like the odds are better that Trump will side with vapers, and he is certainly more likely to do so than HRC.

I also love the fact that he frequently remarks about how bad regulations have been for business and that if anyone wants a new regulation passed, they first have to do away with two previously passed regs.

 

[Grimwald]

Do politicians still get contributions from Tobacco and Pharma? Really all you need to know.