Does your NEW Cleito coil taste "bitter/bad"? Read this.

[WistfulChipmunk]

• Ok guys. This is so important I felt it needed it's own thread. You can see my original concerns and the comments revolving around the cleito coil problem here:

Does "vape tongue" cause this ...

Bullet point summary:

• I have 4 Celito tanks.
• I have used Cleito Tanks for about 6-months. (0.4ohms)
• I just started trying new flavors. Very few have been good.
• I only vaped strong mint/menthol for 5 years or so
  That is IMPORTANT (you'll learn why later)
• Recently two of the juices I liked started tasting acrid and bitter.
• I have tried coils from three different boxes. They are ALL from DIFFERENT suppliers.
• All four of the tanks used to test this were thoroughly washed.
• Tests done on two different batteries, at between 30-45w (The coil is rated 40-60w)

Okay. So Cleito Coils. When this bitter acrid problem started for me, I was directed to some other forums. I have learned there is a lot of hubub on the internet where people say that:

• Cleito coils seem to burn out fast/tastes burnt fast
• Cleito coils taste "weird" "bitter" "off" "acrid" when fresh from the box

I have been reading several of these forums to look for answers. A lot of answers to this problem have been things like:

• Wick it properly (if it's actually burnt)
  • Okay I know how to wick I've been wicking these coils for months. I even go as far as to drip juice on the vents to make sure the juice is schlurrrping up quickly before loading it in the tank.
  • ALSO I dismantled one of the offending coils. Cotton is not burnt. Coil is in perfect condition as far as I can tell. Burn out is not the problem.
• Juice too sweet (coil caramelizing / in 2-days?)
  • I thought perhaps this was possible but I had been vaping a juice with sweetener in it and it tasted fine and the coil was fine. HOWEVER. It was a MINT flavored juice. (Remember I said this was important, don't forget this part)
• Bad batch of coils
  • this has never happened to me before now. Three different suppliers. All the coils are bad? That's unlikely. Wildly unlikely. It has never happened to me until JUST NOW. When I am vaping things OTHER than mint.

Most interesting thing I read was this..

• People suggest that there is a "break-in" period where it takes "a few tanks of juice" before the coil tastes good... Wat?

I read this a couple times and I'm thinking to myself that's silly. What on earth would be causing that? Are

So I took a coil... one of the ones that I tried that "tasted acrid" It was wicked and only fired once at 35w (below the coils range/not burnt/barely used)

And I boiled it in distilled water.

And IT TASTES GOOD NOW!!!!!

And this is the really messed up part that more or less confirms it for me:

All the new juices I LIKED...
...were dripped into tanks I had been using already WITH MINT.

So I had ALREADY "vaped off" whatever it is on the coil before the new flavour got in there. Because MINT at least appears to MASK THE TASTE. That is probably WHY I never NOTICED until I put things OTHER than mint on fresh coils!

I have LITERALLY thrown out juice because I thought the JUICE ITSELF was "acrid" and "bitter"!! But looking back I am realizing it was the SAME CRAPPY AFTERTASTE. It wasn't the juice! It was the coils all along! All of them! Dozens!!

I BOILED TWO MORE "DUDS"

THEY TASTE FINE NOW TOO.

TLDR; Something is on this cotton or in the coil itself I don't know which. It's.. residue/bleach/treated with ..something. And it BOILS OFF. You can RINSE it.

THAT is why "breaking in the tank" works. <-----These people are just vaping whatever the contaminant is off the coil until it's gone! o_o

 

[stols001]

I like your theory, Chipmunk. I have had a cleto for a long time and don't use it that much, but I've never had that problem. It was funny, though, I mainly use mint in that tank, too, so I'm glad you found the solution for yourself. The Cleto was too airy and DL for me, at any wattage.

How long do you boil them for? I may need to test this out by putting a new cleto on my tank and seeing what happens, with a little bit anemic tasting juice to see what happens. I'm intrigued I mean, it's suggested to clean every other part of a new tank, but not usually the coils. Do you think they will last less time? It doesn't matter for me, I'm just wondering how your coils look before/after boiling.

Anna

 

[WistfulChipmunk]

I didn't do it for a long time maybe 2 minutes, and by "boil" it was more like "simmer" (so the water was just barely getting bubbles I could still safely touch it for like half a sec without getting burned. Like a soaking in really hot water basically.

Afterwards I poured a bottle of water over it just to "flush" the thing for good measure.

I left them to dry out all night so maybe 8+ hours

 

[WistfulChipmunk]

Honestly I could have probably gotten away with doing it for longer. The one I'm using now has only the most faintest minor tinge of whatever the taste is. But it's almost totally gone and these coils were "bad" before I boiled them. So... I think I'm on to something here.

I'd be thrilled if other people tested this. And it IS interesting that you were using mint in yours with no problems. I have a suspicion that the strength/flavoring agents/etc in mint (and maybe other potent flavors, like cinnamon perhaps?) having a way of muting the "bitter" aftertaste. It might explain some of the inconsistency in peoples reports on how often the coils taste "bad"

Let me know if you try it and how it turns out!

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

I've been boiling coils since acquiring my first removable bottom coil tanks years ago. It prolongs their life and prevents ghosting (the carrying over of previous flavors).

Any good cook knows that boiling water will eventually dissolve even the most protein-laden caramelization--it's how you start a jus sauce or gravy.

I haven't opened a pack of stock Subtank coils since acquiring my first Subtank, and I'm still using stock Protank/EVOD coils that are at least a year old. Boiling works with Aspire Atlantis and Baby Beast coils, too.

Cotton, silica, rayon, ceramic, whatever material also carries at least some properties imparted by manufacturing and/or processing. Those properties aren't undetectable on the first bunch of pulls on a new stock coil.

 

[celticluvr]

I've been boiling coils since acquiring my first removable bottom coil tanks years ago. It prolongs their life and prevents ghosting (the carrying over of previous flavors).

Any good cook knows that boiling water will eventually dissolve even the most protein-laden caramelization--it's how you start a jus sauce or gravy.

I haven't opened a pack of stock Subtank coils since acquiring my first Subtank, and I'm still using stock Protank/EVOD coils that are at least a year old. Boiling works with Aspire Atlantis and Baby Beast coils, too.

Cotton, silica, rayon, ceramic, whatever material also carries at least some properties imparted by manufacturing and/or processing. Those properties aren't undetectable on the first bunch of pulls on a new stock coil.

I'm curious, does the boiling get rid of the brownish juice gunk on the coils/cotton? If so, I have several coils I kept (don't ask why) that could be boiled out!!! I'm getting kind of excited here, lol.

 

[r77r7r]

I'm curious, does the boiling get rid of the brownish juice gunk on the coils/cotton? If so, I have several coils I kept (don't ask why) that could be boiled out!!! I'm getting kind of excited here, lol.

Back when many here were boiling atties and cartos, it most often extended their lives by a few days. You pretty much have to dry burn a coil to remove everything. It seems.

 

[ChelsB]

I've been boiling coils since acquiring my first removable bottom coil tanks years ago. It prolongs their life and prevents ghosting (the carrying over of previous flavors).

Any good cook knows that boiling water will eventually dissolve even the most protein-laden caramelization--it's how you start a jus sauce or gravy.

I haven't opened a pack of stock Subtank coils since acquiring my first Subtank, and I'm still using stock Protank/EVOD coils that are at least a year old. Boiling works with Aspire Atlantis and Baby Beast coils, too.

Cotton, silica, rayon, ceramic, whatever material also carries at least some properties imparted by manufacturing and/or processing. Those properties aren't undetectable on the first bunch of pulls on a new stock coil.

How long do you boil them for?

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

It sounds like machine oil has gotten into whatever batch that the factory made and since I am sure they make them by the hundreds or maybe thousands it is feasible that those could have been distributed across several different vendors.
We used to have to completely wash and dry the atty's before use all the time back in 2010 because of the machine oil. I have the Cleito coils but mine don't have that horrible taste. I am glad you were finally able to figure out a way to use them tho. I think I would have been emailing the vendors to make them aware of the problems you have with the product. A good vendor will offer to replace and probably contact their source to make them aware. You can't be the only one this has happened to.

 

[Aus11]

I know my dual clapton coil for my TFV4 mini took 3 tankfulls of utter crap and then tasted great for weeks. Some tanks to have some sort of break in period for coils. Never remembered the cleito as one though.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

How long do you boil them for?

About 20 minutes or so.

 

[stols001]

I haven't boiled my nautilus 2 coils but I have soaked them overnight then dried them, and it has extended coil life.... For maybe 3 days per coil. I'm not complaining since my ingredients to do that involve highly filtered H20 and Tucson Summertime (both fairly inexpensive). It is kinda fun to get a few days more out of them, I'd say it's worth a try Celtic, and boiling them may even work slightly better as far as redeeming the cotton for a while...

Anna

 

[celticluvr]

I'll do it!... when I have time, lol.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

I'll do it!... when I have time, lol.

Unlike a rebuild, the boil clean thing is not an active participation job. Start the water on high, drop in the coil(s), go find something to do and in about a half hour, I have a coil that's good to go for about as long as it did the last go-round.

 

[Aus11]

Huh, never boiled a coil before, I kinda want to do that next time I need a new one to see if I can get better taste out of it.

This wont revert the cotton if its become decently discolored will it? Probably too far gone?