Dogs' NF Carto Mod (KR8 Atty)(510 vertical atty)

[Dogsbody]

Worried about burning tea-bags, aquarium foam, polyester, fluval or cotton in your lungs?
Sick of juice-mouth syndrome?
Sick of dripping every 4-5 puffs?
Sick of just fooling and tweeking with these damn things?

Check this out.

YouTube - CartosFTW

1. Pop top and remove o-ring
2. Remove carto filler by gently rocking it to-and-fro, then twist it out(but be careful to make sure the inner 'sock' remains around the heating element, as this acts as the wick.
3. Drip anywhere from 5-15 drops in.
4. vape.

I let the video run until my batts went flat, I left the audio alone so you can hear my drags, I counted about 140 big 6v puffs... but if the batts kept going I am sure I would have go many more.

This is my all day vape set-up and it never lets me down.

Some times you can get a burned 'sock' taste, if you really over-do it or if it is running dry.

I have been doing this for a few months now, and have heard a few people mention it since, so I will try to find them and acknowledge them to.

Sorry about the dead space around the 1:50 mark, I was going to do a 510 carto and oly had my 510 thread cap, so I had to run and grab my KR8 cap.

It is slighly more difficult with the 510 hard cartos as they seem to be packed tighter and the element and/or sock can be pulled up with the filler, or the element could break. (hasn't happened to me yet)

As long as the element is not pressing against the side, the carto should not get hot, so tail-piping is good, but you could put a 510/901/801 soft-tip or even a drip tip or the good 'ol carto cap with hole.

I had been going to do this vid back in feb/march then abby182000 posted pretty much this method as well, so I want to acknowledge her post of this idea as well.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/experiments-equipment/77584-gutted-kr808-cartomizer.html
I am sure I read some other post about the same time from someone else that was doing a similar thing.. I will keep looking for it.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

excellent way for a "cheap" 901 drip atty... I have been using this for 15 minutes and its a great especially since I have tons of cartos... and dripping tips

 

[doots]

Very nice dog but PLEASE Feed or Love your Kitty.. lol
Thanks for the info. Im gonna try it..

 

[Nforcer]

usefull , thats nice

 

[Dogsbody]

yeah sorry about the cat! He thought he was getting fed, and was most angry with me for making him wait.

The only thing that can go wrong is breaking the element whilst trying to pull the filler out, or having the inner sock come out with it too.

Even overfilling it is hard, as the inner stem makes the carto bottom act as a reservoir.


Good luck.

 

[Tachion]

I'm a little confused as to how this works.

What keeps the liquid from running out the battery end of the cart? Or from the mouth end if you turn it upside down?

Seems like a good idea if you're just dripping 3-4 drops and vaping for 10 minutes, but it seems to me like 15 would cause liquid to run out everywhere!

 

[the86d]

Once you yank a carto apart it is easy to see the nomenclature of how this works.

 

[Dogsbody]

they sort of look like this, with the filler removed. There is a stem in there that alows the juice to pool in the bottom without leaking. It will leak if you put 15 drops in it and then turn it upside down, but if you are watching a movie or something just squirt a bit at a time in, I can still lay mine down horizontally and it wont leak. I will do another vid tonight addressing these issues.

 

[nbaagain]

This really does work quite well. I'm not a real big fan of the cartos especially the filler but this may change my mind about them. Thanks!

 

[Zurd]

Dogsbody, you have so many tricks with cartos and you tried them all... what's the best and only one you're using every day ?

 

[Loco]

Hey, how does the heating element hold up on these things? How long do they last? Is it comparable to a regular atomizer?

 

[laborer75]

This works great!!!! Thanks a ton for posting it!!!! Never thought the kr808 cartys could put out that much vapor.

 

[Freeze]

In spite of all thats said about carts they make some mad vapor at 5v

 

[Dogsbody]

Dogsbody, you have so many tricks with cartos and you tried them all... what's the best and only one you're using every day ?

I usually just use the carto normally when it is new. (using the carto-cap-filler-method) on a standard KR8 auto battery for when I am out, or at work.
Then when I get home or the performance drops, I pull the filler out of it and use it like in this vid.

Hey, how does the heating element hold up on these things? How long do they last? Is it comparable to a regular atomizer?

On 3.7v I have used one for about a month (it still works) so I would say they are comparable to a regular atty. but on 6v-7.4v they do vary... sometimes I only get 1 day out of it on HV. (but that is pretty hard-core usage) I still tread them as disposables, and push them pretty hard before they pop.

This works great!!!! Thanks a ton for posting it!!!! Never thought the kr808 cartys could put out that much vapor.

No probs! thanks for replying. I am always a bit confused when people post back saying they dont get much vapor from cartos, I always get heaps.

This really does work quite well. I'm not a real big fan of the cartos especially the filler but this may change my mind about them. Thanks!

Thanks, yeah... I always had a love/hate thing with the cartos. They were good...but seeing all that burned filler (esp at HV) and getting the odd weird tastes... I always felt a bit better dripping into a clean atty, this seems to bring the best of both together.

In spite of all thats said about carts they make some mad vapor at 5v

Yar.. lets hear the doubters now!

All in all, if you can get 5-10 cartos for the same price as 1 HV atty, I much prefer the carto option, as you do get the convenience when they are new, and after pulling out the filler, you get to abuse them on HV hard-core without worry!
I just have to find a use for all the spent cartos now.

 

[gixer]

I just tried this trick today. Wow, It works great. Thanks for the vid.

 

[Tachion]

I was skeptical at first, but I took apart one of my cartos I had been using for a few days (and this one actually wasn't burned. At all. Figures it's the one I open up ), and WOW.

If I don't get my juice on the "sock", or at least close to it when I drip, it has a tendency to leak out the bottom. I'm getting the hang of it, though, and haven't had any leaks the past couple times.

As for vapor... it's pretty crazy. With my VG-based juice (Alien Visions - highly recommended!), I'm putting out huge clouds of vapor.

With a typical PG-based liquid... oh man, the TH was so incredible with it, I was coughing for a good 30 seconds.

This is definitely a trick worth trying when you've decided you've had enough with one carto and want to move onto another; just open it up and use it to drip! Plus, if you blow one, you won't feel as bad. And, if the worst-case scenario of an e-cig ban happens, you'll have tons of spare atties lying around!

I also prefer the easier draw on the cartos over the atties, as well. Feels like less work to vape. Something about the harder draw on atties just really turns me off for some reason.

I just wished I would have saved all my spent cartos up to this point!

 

[Tobbz]

First of all, thanks alot for this tip - It really doubled the amount of vapour my cartomizers would produce at 3.7v. I don't have to use my 6v mod for cartomizers anymore - I use my old DSE801 batteries with an adaptor/converter.

Now - I've been vaping the same cartomizer, with no filler, for the last 3-4 days, all day.
Do you clean this new no-filler-cartomizer? If you do, how do you go about that?

Thanks again Dogsbody.

EDIT:
Oh I almost forgot to add that the flavour is way better too with no-filler.. And don't even get me started about the throat hit... wow!

 

[Dogsbody]

I just tried this trick today. Wow, It works great. Thanks for the vid.

No probs! Thanks for posting back.

I was skeptical at first, but I took apart one of my cartos I had been using for a few days (and this one actually wasn't burned. At all. Figures it's the one I open up ), and WOW.

If I don't get my juice on the "sock", or at least close to it when I drip, it has a tendency to leak out the bottom. I'm getting the hang of it, though, and haven't had any leaks the past couple times.

As for vapor... it's pretty crazy. With my VG-based juice (Alien Visions - highly recommended!), I'm putting out huge clouds of vapor.

With a typical PG-based liquid... oh man, the TH was so incredible with it, I was coughing for a good 30 seconds.

This is definitely a trick worth trying when you've decided you've had enough with one carto and want to move onto another; just open it up and use it to drip! Plus, if you blow one, you won't feel as bad. And, if the worst-case scenario of an e-cig ban happens, you'll have tons of spare atties lying around!

I also prefer the easier draw on the cartos over the atties, as well. Feels like less work to vape. Something about the harder draw on atties just really turns me off for some reason.

I just wished I would have saved all my spent cartos up to this point!

I got one today that leaked for some reason, I guess they are not all exactly the same, the stem part does push out so I guess it could have been a dodge seal there, or maybe around the base of the stem may not have been totally sealed.
I do find the TH (and flavor) better with no filler too, I dont know why, maybe it is just because there is more vapor?

Great post man, thanks for the reply.

First of all, thanks alot for this tip - It really doubled the amount of vapour my cartomizers would produce at 3.7v. I don't have to use my 6v mod for cartomizers anymore - I use my old DSE801 batteries with an adaptor/converter.

Now - I've been vaping the same cartomizer, with no filler, for the last 3-4 days, all day.
Do you clean this new no-filler-cartomizer? If you do, how do you go about that?

Thanks again Dogsbody.

EDIT:
Oh I almost forgot to add that the flavour is way better too with no-filler.. And don't even get me started about the throat hit... wow!

Great, thanks for the reply. Good question about cleaning.... I don't know as I usually pop them on HV after a few days then toss them, but I guess boiling, soaking, the syringe+oring method or just running under the tap will all work.... probably alot better than a normal carto with filler.
I suppose you would just have to be a bit careful not to stuff the inner sock up, but it does seem pretty resilient, and as there is no filler to clean it should wash out easy.
RE: TH and flavor....agreed! I love the clean taste of the juice you get once the filler is gone.



I would like to get more pros/cons feedback for this trick too, just to see if it is worth pushing it or including it in a Carto-guide.

So far this is how I see it, but would like more user feedback, especially on the cons... as I dont have many.

pros:
No burning filler going into lungs
Better flavour
Better TH
Longer-lasting as you don't need to top up as regularly to avoid burning filler
Better vapor production
Extended life/use = better value for money
Easier to clean?
Better compatibility with HV
No juice in mouth

cons:
can be difficult to remove filler from newer style cartos (premiums/510s) resulting in broken element and ruined carto.
can sometimes leak (auto batts beware)
?? (anyone)

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Alright I have been officially trying this since your thread was created (reason I say officially ... I toyed with this back in the day... but dismissed it since I thought defeated the purpose of the carto)


It vapes better than with the filler... the reason being you are definately getting all of the liquid on the "sock" and the element... with the filler .. the "sock" could still be dry even if the filler is wet,if you are not maintaining properly.

PRO: ACTS just like dripping on a three piece atty.. BUT more puffs between drips..

Even if you do it to a NEW carto(which I do) the price of 5 Blank KR8s are cheaper than one 901 atty......

NOT AS "Messy" if done proper


NOTE: wouldn't drip too many drops... IMO 6 is enough


MY CON: USING a drip tip or T-tip.. you could get drops to go through the center hole and some liquid can escape thru the battery end if not careful.



I am really happy with this... but honestly the only reason I am REALLY happy is that I already have tons of cartos .... I still use all of my other model atties , but this is my new way of using cartos......if I want to use something that holds liquid.. I will use my JB . or AFS or make one myself

 

[pianoguy]

Very cool! And all that smoke reminded me of a '64 Chevy I once owned ;-)