Don't believe all you read

[jamminloud]

I may catch alot of grief for this but here goes. I for one am very skeptical when I see a single first post slamming the industry with headers like "ecig made me sick" or "ecig no good, going back to smoking" etc..etc....There are other industries out there that have a bunch to lose if vapeing continues to grow. I would not put it past them to fight back. Headers such as these come up on Google searches and similar engines. Propaganda is an ancient war tactic.

"If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true." -Judge Judy

 

[trouble2k]

While I understand the point you're trying to make, I love what vaping has done for me. We also must understand that vaping may not be for everyone. Some people may not be able to tolerate some of the ingredients; others may struggle with the technology involved. Some of the negative posts are from people who are venting some of their frustrations in learning this new alternative to smoking.

I know there were quite a few times when I first started out that I wanted to throw my hands up in the air and give up. I just didn't post about it. I do like the fact that I could have if I had chosen to.

A forum like this cannot simply allow only positive comments about e-cigs.

 

[Bahiaboy]

Yes you are so right there must be hundreds of Ecig companies out there now and as the products develop more and more are switching over from real cigs, lols ecigs make me sick when I think why didn't I switch over years ago ;o)

 

[hawkfire1]

hello,

It is my opinion that you rightfully deserve to be slammed because this type of behavior is both ignorant and assumptive.

Just because you feel strongly about something doesn't give you or anyone else the right to be accusatory WITHOUT asking for the information which is making you skeptical to begin with.

Perception without having the pertinent info and assuming due to the lack of such is just plain stupid in my humble opinion.

You do realize that there are other e-cig forums out there besides ECF out on the internet and perhaps you might consider that post count means absolutely nothing other than showing a level of participation in this particular forum.

You do realize that if you feel this way about a topic that you could always ask the OP either in the thread or via pm to provide more info or to clarify the post sp that you understand where the op is coming from.

Perhaps you should adjust your nic level so that you can chill and enjoy the vape with everyone else.

 

[jamminloud]

hello,

It is my opinion that you rightfully deserve to be slammed because this type of behavior is both ignorant and assumptive.

Just because you feel strongly about something doesn't give you or anyone else the right to be accusatory WITHOUT asking for the information which is making you skeptical to begin with.

Perception without having the pertinent info and assuming due to the lack of such is just plain stupid in my humble opinion.

You do realize that there are other e-cig forums out there besides ECF out on the internet and perhaps you might consider that post count means absolutely nothing other than showing a level of participation in this particular forum.

You do realize that if you feel this way about a topic that you could always ask the OP either in the thread or via pm to provide more info or to clarify the post sp that you understand where the op is coming from.

Perhaps you should adjust your nic level so that you can chill and enjoy the vape with everyone else.

Hey pal, I did not call anyone stupid or ignorant. What is a forum but a collection of opinions? You have yours and I have mine. Perhaps the hater threads are genuine, perhaps not. That's all I'm saying. I just find some of them suspect when they are the first and only post. You don't find these kind of haters on multiple posts so yes, post count would come into play. I've been to Hawaii, you sound like you need some mainland time.

 

[Chopper71]

hawkfire1erhaps you should adjust your nic level so that you can chill and enjoy the vape with everyone else.To use words such as ignorant and stupid when the OP was just giving his own opinion.There is no need to blast anyone on here about his/her opinion.ECF is here to help not to degrade someone.

 

[Pamdane]

I see both points of view. I generally tend to keep to the facts posted, keep my skepticism to myself, and answer if it suits me. I do notice to original poster of the thread that provoked this response has not replied to any. But she may soon. Perhaps you are justified for your suspicions. If so, you followed your instincts. But, I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt(on a personal level, I have foot in mouth disease). IF its legit, and someone takes the time to try to help, I feel this is more beneficial than if its a scam and we doubt them. So, I guess you could say I am a proponent of the American Justice system- Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

But I really do understand where your coming from!

 

[Gestalt]

Well, there is a lot of negativity on the front page of the new member's forum today. That combined with some obviously fake posts that I think have been deleted now, I can understand why jamminloud thought that there might be something going on. In my opinion, all the posts that are up there now are genuine. And to be fair to hawkfire1, I think he was responding based on this thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...3-why-im-going-back-smoking-cigarettes-3.html

more than the current one. It just seems like a big misunderstanding to me...

Edit:Nope, the super suspicious posts are still there:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...49-does-anyone-know-electronic-cigarette.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../198861-temptation-electronic-cigarettes.html

 

[jamminloud]

While I understand the point you're trying to make, I love what vaping has done for me. We also must understand that vaping may not be for everyone. Some people may not be able to tolerate some of the ingredients; others may struggle with the technology involved. Some of the negative posts are from people who are venting some of their frustrations in learning this new alternative to smoking.

I know there were quite a few times when I first started out that I wanted to throw my hands up in the air and give up. I just didn't post about it. I do like the fact that I could have if I had chosen to.

A forum like this cannot simply allow only positive comments about e-cigs.

I agree with you 100%. No suppressed opinions. Just a dash of salt. And the road to the perfect vape is frustrating no doubt. And I guess I forget that some of these folks are in the throws of quitting smoking which makes anyone a little crazy, but, I have to wonder about some of the very well written single posts that leave no light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[trouble2k]

I agree with you 100%. No suppressed opinions. Just a dash of salt. And the road to the perfect vape is frustrating no doubt. And I guess I forget that some of these folks are in the throws of quitting smoking which makes anyone a little crazy, but, I have to wonder about some of the very well written single posts that leave no light at the end of the tunnel.

Yep, there are some that many of us just roll our eyes at with certain posts. I've seen quite a few. Some are just simply people who are not ready/willing to give up on their addiction. They come here, vent their frustrations (blaming it all on e-cigs), and leave without a trace.

I guess sometimes people just need to do that

 

[ethnobot]

I was lucky in that I had a lot of motivation for changes in my life and liked the 1st PV I tried enough to know that this could be for me. It was far from perfect tho & if I'd tasted my 2nd eliquid as my 1st I might've gone no further especially without all the advice & support on ECF.

I welcome negative posts if the OP has a partially open mind still and a little willingness for discussion. It gives me a "last chance" for now to help or encourage a fellow traveller on the same road. Haven't found any poster, even quite emotional ones, who didn't at least have a bit of those two qualities. I think a "tobacco troll" would unintentionally out themselves fairly quickly tbh.

Peace, ethnobot

 

[Dwindacatcher]

i read somewhere that ecigs are 90% effective to stop smoking. i can't find the article now to recheck the source so it might have been bull...., but if its true i'm surprised their hasnt been open propaganda against them by big tobacco. OR big tobacco start producing their own ecig. Which i am certain will eventually happen.

 

[unsure]

I read all the previous post and seems to me that everyone is on the same page when it comes to vaping over smoking. Not understanding the disagreements here. When I read a first time poster state anything negitive about vaping I take it with a grain of of salt. Its just one single voice in a sea of many on forums like ours...no matter what that poster ajenda is. I just do what I always do and take a

and enjoy a huge hit off my REO.

 

[wv2win]

Hey pal, I did not call anyone stupid or ignorant. What is a forum but a collection of opinions? You have yours and I have mine. Perhaps the hater threads are genuine, perhaps not. That's all I'm saying. I just find some of them suspect when they are the first and only post. You don't find these kind of haters on multiple posts so yes, post count would come into play. I've been to Hawaii, you sound like you need some mainland time.

Jamminloud, I applaud your restraint in responding to hawkfire1's post which was completely out of line.

On your original post, I and many others of us agree with your point. It's fine to make a post questioning an assumption or asking for other's opinions/experience but to start a thread with a title something like: Vaping is dangerous to your health makes me immediately believe the OP has an agenda or is trying to scare new people to the forum. You can make a post questioning a belief without a title that screams: WARNING.

 

[haft2doit]

I think jammin has as valid a post as any. I don't know if there is an organized attempt to get negative posts on ecf. But there is definitely an organized propaganda machine on the web to degrade the value and saftey of e cigs. This is a serious threat to big tobacco and they will respond with what they can.

 

[haft2doit]

There was a thread a while ago that hit every hot button issue in vaping. Including being underage, thought it looked cool, was a homosexual, never smoked but wanted to vape, hated their parents. I mean the list went on. I found it highly suspect.

 

[Noodoggy]

those with an agenda want to be heard. silence is a powerful tool.

 

[haft2doit]

having an agenda is how humans operate. The loudest voice falls on the most ears.

a fu manchu is now mandatory in this thread. get growing!

 

[haft2doit]

i read somewhere that ecigs are 90% effective to stop smoking. i can't find the article now to recheck the source so it might have been bull...., but if its true i'm surprised their hasnt been open propaganda against them by big tobacco. OR big tobacco start producing their own ecig. Which i am certain will eventually happen.

90% effective at replacing smoking maybe.

There has been. Ask anyone that doesn't know much about or use e-cigs. 90% of the time they regurgitate a news story about how they are worse for you than cigarettes. You won't see a little "brought to you by big tobacco" trademark in the corner but it's there.

If they ever do make an ecig they would have to admit cigarettes are bad for you and you shouldn't buy them. They won't do that until they are loosing huge amounts of money and can't afford to stay in the cigarette business.

 

[jamminloud]

Thanks everyone for your support. I was beginning to think I would be banished from ECF like a smoker at a cancer walk. My posts these last hours of late were not meant to offend, but to question.

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom." -Thomas Paine 1776