"Don't Start Vaping!"

[Anjaffm]

They are lying. Pharma is lying, now isn't that a first?

for the truth, see here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-flavors-sen-rockefeller-2.html#post13702338

from the above:

ECF survey of 10,000+ vapers (conducted in June/July 2014) finds:

- 7% of vapers who use Mechanical mods still smoke cigarettes,
- 8% of vapers who use Large/APV devices still smoke cigarettes,
- 17% of vapers who use Mid-sized devices still smoke cigarettes,
- 29% of vapers who use Rechargeable mini devices still smoke cigarettes,
- 49% of vapers who use Disposable e-cigs still smoke cigarettes,
- 92% of vapers worry government regulations would ban vaping products they use,
- 71% of vapers would NOT knowingly buy an e-cig sold by a tobacco company,
- 54% of dual users would NOT knowingly buy an e-cig sold by a tobacco company,
- 34% of vapers (who vaped for 0-3 months) bought first e-cig from a vape shop,
- 9% of vapers (who vaped 2 years or more) bought first e-cig from a vape shop,
- 26% of vapers (who vaped for 0-3 months) bought first e-cig from online vendor,
- 62% of vapers (who vaped 2 years or more) bought first e-cig from online vendor

http://vaping.com/data/vaping-survey-2014-initial-findings?_ga=1.30103869.383326606.1402501958

Now tell me again how most vapers dump the e-cig and go back to smoking. And should rather try NRT crap with a 95% rate of dumping the stuff and going back to smoking. - AND it tastes nasty.

 

[Nate760]

No way is any NRT product that successful!!!!

Over the years I've been around a lot of people who were trying to quit with NRTs. The adjectives I most often recall hearing were "stupid," "worthless," and "expensive." I've literally never heard a person say "Wow, that nicotine gum really made quitting a lot easier."

 

[Norrin]

I have known only 1 person who succeeded with any NRT product and he is still chewing the gum 6 years down the line, yet vaping isn't stopping because we keep taking nicotine????????

 

[Nate760]

I have known only 1 person who succeeded with any NRT product and he is still chewing the gum 6 years down the line,

And yet, I bet no one accosts him on the street and says "You haven't really quit, you just found a different way to get your fix."

 

[Stosh]

BP - "Don't Start Vaping!.....it's ruining our profit margin and affecting our bottom line"

 

[DrMA]

I have known only 1 person who succeeded with any NRT product and he is still chewing the gum 6 years down the line, yet vaping isn't stopping because we keep taking nicotine????????

And yet, I bet no one accosts him on the street and says "You haven't really quit, you just found a different way to get your fix."

I once quit smoking with the NRT lozenges, which are far less vile than the gum, IMO. Those worked for me far better than the other NRT products, all of which I tried over the years. However, I could not quit the lozenges and, after about 6 months of that nonsense, I ended up going back to smoking. I think NRT is flawed as a concept, even in its newest FDA-approved framework for "long-term use", they fail to be fun and rewarding the same way smoking and vaping are. So, whereas they may show short-term success at quitting, they also show long-term failure at staying quit.

 

[Nate760]

I once quit smoking with the NRT lozenges, which are far less vile than the gum, IMO. Those worked for me far better than the other NRT products, all of which I tried over the years. However, I could not quit the lozenges and, after about 6 months of that nonsense, I ended up going back to smoking. I think NRT is flawed as a concept, even in its newest FDA-approved framework for "long-term use", they fail to be fun and rewarding the same way smoking and vaping are. So, whereas they may show short-term success at quitting, they also show long-term failure at staying quit.

The whole philosophy of NRT is something along the lines of "It probably won't work, but if it does, there will still be suffering involved."

The ANTZ would never admit it out loud, but they want smokers to suffer in the process of quitting. Because smokers need to be punished for becoming smokers in the first place. The ones who don't die (which, in the ANTZ worldview, is the most fitting punishment) must pay their penance and go through a miserable, hellish ordeal before they'll be allowed back in the good graces of the nonsmoking community. There is nothing the ANTZ detest more than the notion that people might be able to quit smoking without any loss of enjoyment or any suffering whatsoever.

 

[Lessifer]

I've never understood why a product that does not have a statistically significant effectiveness rate over cold turkey is allowed to be marketed as a smoking cessation product.

 

[Nate760]

I've never understood why a product that does not have a statistically significant effectiveness rate over cold turkey is allowed to be marketed as a smoking cessation product.

You've never understood it because it makes no sense. Try to picture any other scenario in which a medicine that was no more effective than a placebo would be able to gain FDA approval as an "effective" remedy.

 

[sonicdsl]

I once quit smoking with the NRT lozenges, which are far less vile than the gum, IMO. Those worked for me far better than the other NRT products, all of which I tried over the years. However, I could not quit the lozenges and, after about 6 months of that nonsense, I ended up going back to smoking. I think NRT is flawed as a concept, even in its newest FDA-approved framework for "long-term use", they fail to be fun and rewarding the same way smoking and vaping are. So, whereas they may show short-term success at quitting, they also show long-term failure at staying quit.

Hence the 5-7% super-low success rate.

 

[AndriaD]

I once quit smoking with the NRT lozenges, which are far less vile than the gum, IMO. Those worked for me far better than the other NRT products, all of which I tried over the years. However, I could not quit the lozenges and, after about 6 months of that nonsense, I ended up going back to smoking. I think NRT is flawed as a concept, even in its newest FDA-approved framework for "long-term use", they fail to be fun and rewarding the same way smoking and vaping are. So, whereas they may show short-term success at quitting, they also show long-term failure at staying quit.

Yeah... my mom finally quit, about 10 yrs ago, by using patches, AND gum, AND lozenges, AND snapping a rubber band on her wrist everytime she felt a craving... It took her about 5 yrs of trying, and trying, and trying again... And to this day, everytime she gets stressed out, she STILL craves a cigarette. If it wasn't for her COPD, I doubt very seriously she'd have stayed quit.

And yet she has the nerve to say to me, "well you don't HAVE to vape, there ARE other things..."

I think I'll pass, mom...

Andria

 

[Nate760]

Yeah... my mom finally quit, about 10 yrs ago, by using patches, AND gum, AND lozenges, AND snapping a rubber band on her wrist everytime she felt a craving... It took her about 5 yrs of trying, and trying, and trying again... And to this day, everytime she gets stressed out, she STILL craves a cigarette. If it wasn't for her COPD, I doubt very seriously she'd have stayed quit.

I've told the story before about my grandma, who smoked two PAD for 50 years and just quit one day because she felt like it. The brilliant part of her quitting strategy was that she kept her entire smoking habit and only eliminated the act of actually lighting her cigarettes. She habitually sucked on unlit cigarettes for the remaining 30 years of her life, never went back to smoking (except for one cigarette on her birthday every year), and never had any difficulty staying quit.

 

[bigdancehawk]

When a commercial product attacks a competing product in an advertising campaign, it's often a sign of desperation. E-cigs are cutting into their business. They're lashing back. Let the games begin. E-cigs are vastly superior and, despite negative advertising, will win in the end unless BG comes to BP's rescue.

 

[AndriaD]

The whole philosophy of NRT is something along the lines of "It probably won't work, but if it does, there will still be suffering involved."

The ANTZ would never admit it out loud, but they want smokers to suffer in the process of quitting. Because smokers need to be punished for becoming smokers in the first place. The ones who don't die (which, in the ANTZ worldview, is the most fitting punishment) must pay their penance and go through a miserable, hellish ordeal before they'll be allowed back in the good graces of the nonsmoking community. There is nothing the ANTZ detest more than the notion that people might be able to quit smoking without any loss of enjoyment or any suffering whatsoever.

This is sooooooooo true! In fact I have something like this on the front page of my site! I really think that a big part of my mom's lukewarm attitude to my vaping is pure jealousy -- and I'm sure she really is glad that I finally quit, because she does have COPD, and I have asthma, but she's human, and she suffered so dreadfully trying to quit, and still suffers; she can't help but be jealous that my own method of quitting has been so relatively painless. And although she finally shut up about it, I think there's at least some part of her that believes I really haven't quit, that vaping is just smoking with different accoutrements.

My aunt, on the other hand, is very excited that I've finally quit, and everytime I talk to her, she asks me how it's going with the vaping; I think she's a bit fascinated with it. When I went over to her house, she wondered why I had 2 PVs with me, and I explained that it was both that vaping should always be easier than getting cigarettes -- that technology sometimes fails, and backups are required -- and also that I used 2 flavors, one was my tobacco flavor that was an actual substitute for smoking, and one was blueberry muffin, which frankly just tastes better -- she wanted to smell the vapor, and had me puff until there was enough of a cloud for her to catch the scent (not terribly easy with 80% PG!); smelled nothing at all from the tobacco one (a very mild Virginia) and only a very faint "fruitiness" from the blueberry muffin. She's 82 yrs old, never smoked except maybe to hold one, at a party back in the 50s and 60s when everyone did it, but she seems to think it's really "cool."

Andria

 

[ronscave]

All I know is I went from 3 packs a day to 10 cigs a day to 3 cigs a day to one cig and then nothing but vaping. I have tried gum, mints, Inhalers and the ONLY thing that worked was from vaping and it worked in 4 days. Once again 3 packs to no packs in 4 days....beat that establishment phonies.

 

[Kent C]

No good data but the vets around here have seen many return after 6 months, a year, or 2 or 3 years later, to go on to quit. But yeah, at first, depending on the device, many return to smoking.... for a while anyway.

 

[Nate760]

No good data but the vets around here have seen many return after 6 months, a year, or 2 or 3 years later, to go on to quit. But yeah, at first, depending on the device, many return to smoking.... for a while anyway.

Which just underscores the fact that smoking is a terribly difficult thing to quit, and people trying to give up the habit should have the widest possible array of options open to them in order to maximize their chances of success. But I guess this is the point at which public health diverges from "public health."

 

[Kent C]

Which just underscores the fact that smoking is a terribly difficult thing to quit, and people trying to give up the habit should have the widest possible array of options open to them in order to maximize their chances of success. But I guess this is the point at which public health diverges from "public health."

Yep. They want to take a 'snapshot' which serves their purpose, rather than the whole 'video' which doesn't.

Even cigalikes can evoke the idea 'this could work' or 'this could be a valid alternative'. Once that thought is registered, for those who want some change, it's only a matter of time or effort to find the exact device that fits.

 

[Katya]

No good data but the vets around here have seen many return after 6 months, a year, or 2 or 3 years later, to go on to quit. But yeah, at first, depending on the device, many return to smoking.... for a while anyway.

I've talked recently to a bunch of people who joined the forum in 2008 and 2009--got discouraged--and are making a second attempt now. They can't believe how much better those 2nd-, 3rd- and 4th-generation PVs are.

 

[dragonpuff]

I've talked recently to a bunch of people who joined the forum in 2008 and 2009--got discouraged--and are making a second attempt now. They can't believe how much better those 2nd-, 3rd- and 4th-generation PVs are.

I'm one of them! I quit smoking for a few months in 2009-10, but ended up going back to smoking. Then I got an ego setup in December and I'm now smoke free for almost a year