Draw technique; smoker conversion strategies.

[Lin Swimmer]

I just passed my third week as a vaporer, and just today I feel like I got the draw down, finally. I thought I had it the first day that my ego-c tanks didn't flood three times per fill, and then I thought I had it down again when I removed the two superfluous bridges from the whistle tip, but… no. Today was it.

(I'm now using 2.6-2.8 ohm fluffed fluxomizers on an ego and a maxi roughstack with regular protected 18650s, and think that I'm somewhere in a 4 to 5.5 watt range. Low resistance atomizers or higher voltages… I don't know. Presumably that'll make this not as necessary.)

I knew that longer meant more, but couldn't figure out why I couldn't do a true 8 second inhale, even when breathing through my nose the whole time. All I figured out today is that if the draw is gentler, really more of a sip than a pull, then getting the longer draw is easy.

I feel like this is important because I've let quite a few smoker friends and coworkers try my PV (I'm not much of a germaphobe), and they seem to have an across-the-board ....ty time with it. They look bored or annoyed when I try to tell them how to take an inhale, suck on it randomly, cough their faces off, and hand it back with a grimace.

Now, whatever, I'm not trying to put myself on a quest to save every smoker. I know a lot of them think it's weird, insanely expensive, and uncool. I feel like if it isn't legislated into the ground in ten years they're going to look back on their skepticism with a bit of embarrassment. Maybe I'm wrong; maybe they'll just be weaker, sicker versions of themselves right now. Maybe they'll quit cold turkey.

My problem is that my girlfriend now has an exact match of my setup, but isn't touching it. I figured I'd take care of her charging, filling, and maintenance for a while… but the second day she forgot it at work, and today when I looked at it… she hasn't gone through a mil of juice. Actually, probably less than a quarter of a mil. Nothing, essentially. The inside of the mouthpiece is almost dry. I'm not going to bother to check her state of charge; I know she's at 4.2V.

I'm sort of at a loss on how to proceed. I figured that being able to do it on occasions when smoking a cigarette wasn't possible would let the PV sell itself as an option… but if her draw is scratchy or too short I guess I can see why she doesn't really ever think to reach for it instead of her Parliaments.

I know it's only day 3… but I feel a little dejected that she isn't even on the road to enjoying it yet. I mean… I didn't enjoy it the first week either, but I used it all day, every day, and the cigarettes I tried smoking quickly became intolerable.

I feel like if I can get a wedge into her smoking routine, ten percent of her cigarette consumption, it can at least have a fair shot.

So… inhale tutorial? Stupid idea?

 

[ilgreatluigi]

I find that the best way is obviously a slow draw. A lot of people that I let try my ecig try a very quick draw, then they find that they are not getting much of a throat hit. Vaping is all about preference. A lot of people enjoy low resistance cartos rather than higher ohm cartos. You might just need to help her find a carto or atty that fits her vaping style. Also I would have her experiment with different flavors. I hope this helps. Good luck and happy vaping.

 

[TheSneakerHoarder]

Throat-hit/nicotine.

Concentrate_on_that.

 

[Staceylt40]

I just passed my third week as a vaporer, and just today I feel like I got the draw down, finally. I thought I had it the first day that my ego-c tanks didn't flood three times per fill, and then I thought I had it down again when I removed the two superfluous bridges from the whistle tip, but… no. Today was it.

(I'm now using 2.6-2.8 ohm fluffed fluxomizers on an ego and a maxi roughstack with regular protected 18650s, and think that I'm somewhere in a 4 to 5.5 watt range. Low resistance atomizers or higher voltages… I don't know. Presumably that'll make this not as necessary.)

I knew that longer meant more, but couldn't figure out why I couldn't do a true 8 second inhale, even when breathing through my nose the whole time. All I figured out today is that if the draw is gentler, really more of a sip than a pull, then getting the longer draw is easy.

I feel like this is important because I've let quite a few smoker friends and coworkers try my PV (I'm not much of a germaphobe), and they seem to have an across-the-board ....ty time with it. They look bored or annoyed when I try to tell them how to take an inhale, suck on it randomly, cough their faces off, and hand it back with a grimace.

Now, whatever, I'm not trying to put myself on a quest to save every smoker. I know a lot of them think it's weird, insanely expensive, and uncool. I feel like if it isn't legislated into the ground in ten years they're going to look back on their skepticism with a bit of embarrassment. Maybe I'm wrong; maybe they'll just be weaker, sicker versions of themselves right now. Maybe they'll quit cold turkey.

My problem is that my girlfriend now has an exact match of my setup, but isn't touching it. I figured I'd take care of her charging, filling, and maintenance for a while… but the second day she forgot it at work, and today when I looked at it… she hasn't gone through a mil of juice. Actually, probably less than a quarter of a mil. Nothing, essentially. The inside of the mouthpiece is almost dry. I'm not going to bother to check her state of charge; I know she's at 4.2V.

I'm sort of at a loss on how to proceed. I figured that being able to do it on occasions when smoking a cigarette wasn't possible would let the PV sell itself as an option… but if her draw is scratchy or too short I guess I can see why she doesn't really ever think to reach for it instead of her Parliaments.

I know it's only day 3… but I feel a little dejected that she isn't even on the road to enjoying it yet. I mean… I didn't enjoy it the first week either, but I used it all day, every day, and the cigarettes I tried smoking quickly became intolerable.

I feel like if I can get a wedge into her smoking routine, ten percent of her cigarette consumption, it can at least have a fair shot.

So… inhale tutorial? Stupid idea?

Did I miss something here? If you were checking me and my pv and my cig case, I would seriously resent you. She is not gonna enjoy vaping if you are forcing it on her. She has to WANT to vape. Doesn't matter the draw or taste or strength. None of it matters if she doesn't want it.

 

[Bluesman]

Lin, I understand you're trying to do the right thing for your friend. And, as it is, you probably want to share your experience with her. But, we have to accept and appreciate the differences in others - especially our friends. That is what friendship is about. Enjoy your world of vaping. And allow her to enjoy what she likes. Tell her about your vaping experiences but not in a sales-like manner. Some things take time, and maybe she is a slow starter and will eventually take to vaping. And then again, maybe not. But don't let either outcome affect your friendship. Good luck.

 

[hairball]

You may have better luck with your girlfriend if you had cartomizers instead of the tank system. Boge 2ohm to be exact. She can draw as hard or light as she likes without any inconsistencies.

 

[Andante51]

Hub and I started vaping on Ego-T's two months ago, quitting analogs after 40+ years of two packs a day. I smoked one regular cigarette a day the first week, and each day they tasted worse, then I was done. From a female perspective, I'm thinking in your situation it might have more to do with the form factor of the maxi roughshod (that I had to look up, didn't know what it was), but it looks even larger than my Ego. I loved the strength of vape the Ego-T B Low Res system provided, but still don't feel comfortable using it 'out and about' much, it is just not feminine to hold, and you can't use the regular cigarette hand configuration, at least that most women use.

So I bought a 510-T with low res attys and 340mah automatic batteries for when I want a more traditional experience, and look more normal. Again with low res attys, the 510's actually deliver a great hit, without anything more than a 5 second draw. I have already been getting a few female friends off real cigs, and I find the 510-T form factor, without any buttons to push that they find annoying, works very well. I advise them to get a 510-T kit, then the XL flat tip tanks that hold more liquid and are more comfortable in the mouth, and a 1000 mah ego battery for using around the house. Anywhere I go, I take an Ego and a 510, and actually enjoy switching back and forth between them for variety.

So that's my take on the matter, that mod looks enormous, and perhaps that is why your girlfriend is not warming up to it Hope this is helpful.

 

[Lin Swimmer]

Oy. Yeah, you missed a little. I gave someone that I'm romantically involved with a gift. I figured part of that gift would be that I would take care of topping off the fluxos, which all have modded seals. I know her well enough to know that if I tell her to take a bent paperclip and pop them out to refill that she wouldn't be too enthusiastic about it, and I like doing it.

I figured someone on the forum might have experience with giving a vaporizer to a spouse or relative, and what their experiences with that were, whether it took, what kind of guidance they offered, etc.

Not trying to be rude, but can you not jump down my throat about it, me being a total stranger and you not really having much insight into the situation?

 

[dormouse]

With ecigs you drag slow. Dragging harder get you nothing other than more air diluting your vapor.

With manuals (which give the best drag and hit with the least work), most press the button in 1-2 seconds early, start dragging slowly into the mouth, right before end of drag let up the button, finish drag then inhale.

Subtleties - you need to smell the vapor. Ecigs won't dump their aroma all over you like cigs did. And since your tongue can only taste Sweet, salty, sour, bitter and umami (msg), a large part of the taste of anything is in the aroma. Typical ways to get the aroma are frenching the vapor occasionally (take vapor into mouth, then open mouth to let some out and inhale through nose), or exhaling through nose, or some have a technique of doing 2 drags back to back and in between puffing a bit of vapor out through nose.

Re the spouse question - I recommend you try a second thread and ask in the title too. I know other people have gotten their spouse onto ecigs though some have failed. I would try showing her some other respected models - maybe she would like to pick something out herself.

 

[Staceylt40]

Oy. Yeah, you missed a little. I gave someone that I'm romantically involved with a gift. I figured part of that gift would be that I would take care of topping off the fluxos, which all have modded seals. I know her well enough to know that if I tell her to take a bent paperclip and pop them out to refill that she wouldn't be too enthusiastic about it, and I like doing it.

I figured someone on the forum might have experience with giving a vaporizer to a spouse or relative, and what their experiences with that were, whether it took, what kind of guidance they offered, etc.

Not trying to be rude, but can you not jump down my throat about it, me being a total stranger and you not really having much insight into the situation?

Not jumping down your throat and you are right, I don't know you. Your gift to her is awesome, no doubt. But you can't force her to use it or even like it. Even if you agree to take care of all maintenance. Just like you, if she truly wants to vape, she will. If she wants to smoke cigs, she will and "accidently" leaving her pv at work tells me she doesn't want it. Not right now anyway.

Like someone else said, that is a pretty hefty pv for most females and a simple pen like pv might be more suitable for her. So instead of trying to teach her how to drag, sip or puff..... try letting her choose her own pv? And just be there to answer her questions.

 

[StartLifeEndLife]

My gf just got jealous of me vaping in front of her all the time and said "give me that"....I'm in desperate need of my own pv now because what I thought was mine is apparently hers now lmao

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[Amethyst_Star]

I think it just takes time. I got my husband to jump on the ecig bandwagon with me, but he's just not into it as much as I am. I mean, he'll fill his cartos, choose different flavors, and even vapes on the ecig. He just hasn't quit analogs yet. He's going to try a higher mg of nicotine and see how that goes. I know the frustration, really, but I can't make him do it. He has to decide that for himself. At least he's trying, though. Sorry if I sound like I'm jumping down your throat, as I'm not trying to. I'm just letting you know of my experience!

Added: I did let him help in the choosing of the pv. We chose a pen-type, as he wanted something that looked like a cigarette, just as I did.

Oy. Yeah, you missed a little. I gave someone that I'm romantically involved with a gift. I figured part of that gift would be that I would take care of topping off the fluxos, which all have modded seals. I know her well enough to know that if I tell her to take a bent paperclip and pop them out to refill that she wouldn't be too enthusiastic about it, and I like doing it.

I figured someone on the forum might have experience with giving a vaporizer to a spouse or relative, and what their experiences with that were, whether it took, what kind of guidance they offered, etc.

Not trying to be rude, but can you not jump down my throat about it, me being a total stranger and you not really having much insight into the situation?

 

[Lin Swimmer]

Tons of good ideas here.

LR cartos: probably perfect.

Higher nic: I'm afraid she'll keel over if she's smoking a pad and decides she likes vaping at her desk on top of that. I had chest pains for a little while at 24, went down to 16 and haven't had anything since. But that was just a night of alcohol-fueled vaping... I don't want her first experience to be a heart scare, you know?

I think you guys may be right about the Roughstack being a dubious introduction... I think she does prefer the ego as far as form. (Plus she doesn't have to deal with my tapering-off battery safety fretting.) She hasn't really spent time with the tanks; I spent so much time every day cleaning them and worrying about the amount of nic I was absorbing from their constant leaks that I didn't even think about inflicting that drama on her. I love the battery... the tank, well.

The roughstack's not as big as it looks in pictures, but it is a little strange figuring out how you're comfortable holding it, or if you can feel comfortable with it at all, I suppose. She seems to like it aesthetically... it also isn't really ready to go at a moment's notice, since it's in a glasses case and needs to be assembled to be used. Not that she wouldn't, but I could definitely see grabbing your cigarettes being more natural than taking out your tube mod case, your mod, your carto, putting it together, and having a 'vape' while you're walking to the bus-stop. I'm trying to figure out potential cases that might simplify this and make it more pocket friendly.

StartLife: I am honestly massively jealous! Consider yourself lucky.

Stacey: it's probably good you got mad, if I ever feel myself drifting toward nagging her about whether she's tried it at all on a particular day I can remind myself, man, that ...... Stacey off fast. I definitely don't want her to feel obligated to use it, and I've told her that she can smoke for as long as she wants; that's her decision, and it doesn't have any impact on how I feel about her. I just worry that she's not enjoying it for some simple procedural thing that's common for a lot of people trying a PV for the first time, like me having sometimes less than totally satisfactory puffs for three entire weeks because no one reminded me to sip on it, that a sip makes a gigantic cloud of vapor while a cigarette drag makes not so much at all.

You're absolutely right as well in that if she doesn't want to use it she just won't. I just want her to know what I know about how to use it, everything after that is completely to her taste. Maybe she'll hate it.

(I think she forgot it at work by accident, but who knows? Not me. She doesn't wear the eyeglasses we picked out together either, even though she's practically blind in one eye. She can't fall asleep with them on, so they're never on. People get really comfortable in their behaviors, as I'm still learning as I try to acclimate myself to not being a smoker for the first time in 12 years. It's totally ridiculous that I expect her to have a fairy tale vape and despise cigarettes instantly. But it would be convenient.)

Tina: that's totally where I want to be with it in a few months.

 

[uh7tr]

Note: I find on the EGO-T units that u need to have a couple of hard drags every 20 puffs or so if you are using VG liquid. This helps pull the thicker juice into the atomizer and you have less chance of burning the atomizer.

 

[chrispete]

One day my wife walked in the door and I told her that I had ordered an e-cig kit. She looked at me very suspiciously. I told her that it came with two complete setups and she was welcome to use one. She said, "We'll see." The day it came in I started vaping and didn't say anything beyond, "This is great" to her. It took about 15 minutes for her curiosity to kick in. We both started vaping and stopped smoking that day.

From almost the beginning our "tastes" diverged quite a bit, both in juices and setups. I ordered a ton of different attys/cartos/clearomizers/tanks, etc. and juices that I thought I might like and she might like (I struck out on most of them.) At first she was quite happy with her Ego-T and tobacco flavored juice. Eventually she started trying different bits of kit and flavors, and after a while tried a Fluxomizer and loved them. Unfortunately she works outdoors and after several leaks from tubes being pulled off/bent in her pocket she asked me if we had anything that wouldn't taste burnt after a while and wouldn't leak (note the she asked part of that I had some bottom-coil clearomizers in the drawer that won't leak no matter what you do to them and are nearly indestructible. She now loves them and asked me to order more. She's tried different juices and decided that she likes the tobacco flavors but switched to a different brand/type that she likes better now. She does tend to not like new gadgets at all and when I first started using Fluxos said that they looked like too much hassle, now she fills her own and asked me to show her how to clean them the other night.

So, the takeaway:

-Maybe try getting an assortment of parts (*cough* for yourself) but let her know that she's welcome to try any of them. Resist the urge to "talk her out of" anything she chooses to try. Different things work for different people.

-Same with juices. I would have never thought that my daily vape would be Cinnamon Danish and thought my wife would go with fruity flavors. Have options available and eventually she might mention that she likes "X flavor". Get that flavor and an assortment of flavors that are similar for her to try at that point. Maybe someday you'll catch her online shopping for juices.

-As others have said, you can't force it. Give her options (including not vaping at this point) and let her decide.

-There might be peer pressure going on at work that you aren't seeing. If people at her job are giving her a hard time (some smokers love to keep others smoking it seems) she may be "forgetting" her kit so she doesn't have to face that situation. That would be a much harder nut to crack.

Just a few ideas. My wife was much easier to get into vaping than I thought she'd be and it's been great to watch her getting more and more interested. She was showing off the PV in the first few days.

 

[Kay1959]

What does SHE say? Does she want to vape? If so, let her pick out what she likes, with your guidance of couse, since you know more about all the different options, than she does. Sit down at the computer TOGETHER and show her all the different options available. Women love to shop! Let her pick out her own colors and stuff, the more details she likes, the better chance she'll use. Have you shown her what's 'out there'? Does she show any interest at all? I understand how you feel, cause I'd LOVE for my husband to vape instead of smoke here at home, but so
far he hasen't shown too much interest. I'm hoping over time he'll come around as this is still very early in the game for myself.

 

[AttyPops]

This is kind of a mixed question. That's not a criticism, just an observation that there are multiple issues... draw technique and the GF.

Now, if you really believe that the hit quality is the main reason she's ignoring the PV... the solution is to get a 5 volt, or vv, PV. It hits like a cig. No slow draw crap. Warmer stronger fuller hit.

As to getting her to switch... she has to want to. My GF still smokes; I've been smoke free for over a year and a half. IDK why she smokes, but it's her choice and I won't give her a hard time about it. I just wish they made cigs that didn't stink do damn much! lol. You can lead a horse to water..........

 

[Staceylt40]

Tons of good ideas here.

LR cartos: probably perfect.

Higher nic: I'm afraid she'll keel over if she's smoking a pad and decides she likes vaping at her desk on top of that. I had chest pains for a little while at 24, went down to 16 and haven't had anything since. But that was just a night of alcohol-fueled vaping... I don't want her first experience to be a heart scare, you know?

I think you guys may be right about the Roughstack being a dubious introduction... I think she does prefer the ego as far as form. (Plus she doesn't have to deal with my tapering-off battery safety fretting.) She hasn't really spent time with the tanks; I spent so much time every day cleaning them and worrying about the amount of nic I was absorbing from their constant leaks that I didn't even think about inflicting that drama on her. I love the battery... the tank, well.

The roughstack's not as big as it looks in pictures, but it is a little strange figuring out how you're comfortable holding it, or if you can feel comfortable with it at all, I suppose. She seems to like it aesthetically... it also isn't really ready to go at a moment's notice, since it's in a glasses case and needs to be assembled to be used. Not that she wouldn't, but I could definitely see grabbing your cigarettes being more natural than taking out your tube mod case, your mod, your carto, putting it together, and having a 'vape' while you're walking to the bus-stop. I'm trying to figure out potential cases that might simplify this and make it more pocket friendly.

StartLife: I am honestly massively jealous! Consider yourself lucky.

Stacey: it's probably good you got mad, if I ever feel myself drifting toward nagging her about whether she's tried it at all on a particular day I can remind myself, man, that ...... Stacey off fast. I definitely don't want her to feel obligated to use it, and I've told her that she can smoke for as long as she wants; that's her decision, and it doesn't have any impact on how I feel about her. I just worry that she's not enjoying it for some simple procedural thing that's common for a lot of people trying a PV for the first time, like me having sometimes less than totally satisfactory puffs for three entire weeks because no one reminded me to sip on it, that a sip makes a gigantic cloud of vapor while a cigarette drag makes not so much at all.

You're absolutely right as well in that if she doesn't want to use it she just won't. I just want her to know what I know about how to use it, everything after that is completely to her taste. Maybe she'll hate it.

(I think she forgot it at work by accident, but who knows? Not me. She doesn't wear the eyeglasses we picked out together either, even though she's practically blind in one eye. She can't fall asleep with them on, so they're never on. People get really comfortable in their behaviors, as I'm still learning as I try to acclimate myself to not being a smoker for the first time in 12 years. It's totally ridiculous that I expect her to have a fairy tale vape and despise cigarettes instantly. But it would be convenient.)

Tina: that's totally where I want to be with it in a few months.

Glad I could be such a positive role model. LOL I really am sorry I kinda snapped last night. I was a walking zombie last night. I just know that when i first came here if I had visited the thread with all the pics of setups first..... I would have went along my merry little way and never gave it a second thought. Like I said...... there are some hardcore setups here and some are very intimidating to say the least. I think everyone here will agree that when they first started.... they wanted something that looked like the real thing with just tobacco flavor. And being a girly girl.... your setup would have NEVER worked with me. Or not in public anyway. LOL

Your intentions are great and I hope she comes around soon to the world of vaping. Use the one you gave her as your backup and let her choose her own. You just may be the one who benefits in the long run. )

Good luck and keep us updated.

 

[echos67]

My gf just got jealous of me vaping in front of her all the time and said "give me that"....I'm in desperate need of my own pv now because what I thought was mine is apparently hers now lmao

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I can relate with this, my wife was given an Ego starter kit for x-mas and I am finding my Prodigy 6v in her possession more and more. This isn't all bad because it gives me an excuse to buy another mod, just haven't decided which one to get yet.

To the op - very nice of you to be doing the maintenance for her if she decides to use it, me personally find that a pain since my other half just holds her Ego in her hand pointing it towards me and says "fix it". I just bought an oversized clear carto and filled it with SnickerDoodle and she hasn't bothered me in the last 2 days .

 

[Lin Swimmer]

She likes the waffle juice and the menthol tobacco best of what we currently have available. Just in a general palate sense she likes caramel, and we talked about what sodas she enjoys when she drinks them, which isn't often. She drinks a ton of coffee, so I'm sure she won't mind me hunting down a coffee blend that works for both of us. I was going to pick up some Boba's Bounty and Coquito for us to try, since I can't help but be curious about juices that seem like they have a bit of a reputation.

Does anyone know if the Gotvapes coffee is any good?

Am going to try the 2.0 cartos and a couple 306s. I don't have unlimited income to throw into this, so I'm still looking for what works for me. I think this gives us a pretty decent starter idea of resistance range and feed system differences.

She thanks everyone for their concern; I don't think I'm going to convince her to join the forum. Color wise she's like me; generic. Everything black. She doesn't like finicky technology either, but she watched me test a dead fluxo this morning, and I'm sure she'll be diagnosing her own issues with the meter at some point.

Personally I don't think I've got many more mods in my future. I had about four that I thought looked appealing, but have whittled it down to really only one additional unit that I'm interested in, and it isn't even a drastic departure from what I'm using now; another all mechanical 18650 semi-box mod.

If she ever seems curious or if it comes up I can show her ones that seem popular; the Don, Buzz Pro, or Provari, all that jazz. Maybe one day she's just going to come home with one of those telescoping GGs. Personally I think I'm going to try getting a 4.8V battery rather than a vv, but I'm intending to use vaping as a way to hopefully save some money. I think she is getting used to using it; I was probably just jumping the gun being anxious about her coughing when she took drags on it.

Thanks, everyone, for their input, and I will indeed keep you posted on how things go.