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Dripping and Topping: A Happy Medium?
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PG has been approved for use in hospital and subway air systems as a germ and bacteria killer.
To be accurate, vaporized PG is proven to be a fast and effective air sanitizer. I'm not sure the quality extends to PG in liquid form. I recently saw a thread (can't remember exactly where, sorry) discussing the shelf life of e-liquid. Someone posted a quote from a major e-liquid manufacturer (Dekang?) that said the 2 year shelf life rating was based on how long it takes before evidence of bacterial or fungal growth is seen in the e-liquid. That sounds to me like bacteria could be a problem.
That said, like many others I use the same cartridge for days before replacing or cleaning it. Once a week or so, I flush my atomizers with alcohol to clean out any "brown goo" that is building up. I feel confident that this process keeps them free enough from germs to avoid a problem. I clean my carts by washing out the stuffing and reusing it. If the stuffing seems "tired", I replace it with new poly batting.
Edit: Geez, I feel like a complete idiot. The thread I was talking about is on this very sub-fourm, here-http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/2842-taking-care-eliquid.html
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Makdevo, your information is incorrect. Tokarev your information is on point. Our company works with one of the biggest sterilization companies in the world, not in the US, IN THE WORLD. Bacteria is ONE HUNDRED percent a potential issue with refilling and topping off.
We also have done extensive sample studies from pools of individuals who used carts that are pre filled and other individuals who have carts that people are topping off. Over 3x more hardware failure in that group that tops off. Fact is that filling is bad for the industry, as people, in the masses, are simply careless. If suppliers aren't making the hardware for people to consume their juice, then you can have all the juice you could possibly want... you'll just have to take it intraveneously or something...because no suppliers, whose core values are customer service and quality, will be able to stay in business....
Also, our insurance company balked at end users filling up carts on their own...and having product liability insurance was very important to us so we could not only protect ourselves, but also our customers, and the hundreds of retailers that sell our product throughout the US.
We also have done extensive sample studies from pools of individuals who used carts that are pre filled and other individuals who have carts that people are topping off. Over 3x more hardware failure in that group that tops off. Fact is that filling is bad for the industry, as people, in the masses, are simply careless. If suppliers aren't making the hardware for people to consume their juice, then you can have all the juice you could possibly want... you'll just have to take it intraveneously or something...because no suppliers, whose core values are customer service and quality, will be able to stay in business....
Also, our insurance company balked at end users filling up carts on their own...and having product liability insurance was very important to us so we could not only protect ourselves, but also our customers, and the hundreds of retailers that sell our product throughout the US.
I use tea bags to replace the filler in my carts and I replace it at least once sometimes twice a day. When I take the old one out I wash the plastic part with hot water and antibacterial dish soap. I figure that if it's good enough to clean the things I eat or drink from it's good enough to clean the things I stick in my mouth when I vape.
Interesting....seems like a lot of work for a regular joe, but hey if it works.... but my opinion is "biased" 
, ORRRRRR I could just care more about sustaining the industry, as well as my business, by practicing the sale of the safest options possible, in a market that is currently under scrutiny
, ORRRRRR I could just care more about sustaining the industry, as well as my business, by practicing the sale of the safest options possible, in a market that is currently under scrutiny 
I did say "may", I could be wrong. Now it looks like you have two reasons to maybe be biased, one is you are a supplier and two is you don't want to be sued, which is OK I guess, but you're not exactly neutral on this. I just think people should be aware of who is offering opinions before they make up their minds. Mind you, all of this, and nearly this entire forum, is based on anecdotal information and conjecture. There are very few real (validated) scientific studies about any of this.
I been vaping a gold smoking everywhere for some time now but i just got a dse801 with 50 blank cartridges. About how many drops to fill this dse801?? It only takes 3-4 with my other but the dse801 cart is much much bigger. plez help asap!!!
There ya go vaporpro. I gave up on syringes and the oiler bottles etc. some time ago. I've been doing exactly as you describe with a paperclip, except that's the only way I fill anymore. It's just all around simpler, neater, effective, cheap...
I moved up this same ladder from the SE gold, to a 901 to a Janty Stick with an 801 cart. If you fill with a syringe, you should be able to get just over one ml per cart. If you're topping off with a dropper bottle, you can, depending on the condition of the cart material, get at least 20 drops in a cart. Personally, I don't fill the carts any more, I just get 10 to 15 drops in, enough for 3 or 4 cigs worth of smoking, to avoid overfilling and flooding the atty.
Thanks this really helps. I know how to fill just didnt know how much to fill the 801. also i am looking for someone with good web site building skills and or a partner to start a business with (prefer you live in the Pittsburgh area) in electronic cigarettes. I have already purchased a awesome domain name electronicVapor.com If interested email me at electronicvapor@gmail.com untill i set up my biz email.
TMBrown,
ALSO it's an excuse that the government can use AGAINST the industry....so 3 reasons....and being sued isn't one that I am concerned with. ONE I have a substantial product liability insurance policy and TWO our juice is FAR different than the stuff coming from China.... I would be able to tell via lab analysis if it wasn't my cartridges.
While we're on the subject, how are the distributors and manufacturers of your Chinese juice insured...my bet is they aren't....stay safe my friends....
ALSO it's an excuse that the government can use AGAINST the industry....so 3 reasons....and being sued isn't one that I am concerned with. ONE I have a substantial product liability insurance policy and TWO our juice is FAR different than the stuff coming from China.... I would be able to tell via lab analysis if it wasn't my cartridges.
While we're on the subject, how are the distributors and manufacturers of your Chinese juice insured...my bet is they aren't....stay safe my friends....
The title of this thread is: "Dripping and Topping: A Happy Medium?"
It was the first word that caused me to read through all the posts thus far. Although I have learned a lot about topping and filling (and bacteria) - which is indeed relevant to my vaping - I've seen virtually nothing about *dripping*.
And I'm surprised. So many of the videos I've seen and comments I've read (by vapers far more experienced than I) have led me to believe that dripping directly on the atomizer was *the* way to go. I've not done it yet, because I have only one remaining working atomizer in my meager collection (of two).
Most of the device and parts vendors (at least on their websites) discourage dripping. And I don't see any pecuniary bias distorting their point of view. (Financially, they'd be better off if customers regularly damaged their attys and had to order lots more.)
And dripping 2-3 drops of liquid every few minutes seems like it would be a nuisance (and messy), especially when out and about.
But, as I mentioned, so many of the Senior and Super members of ECF swear by it.
BTW, what is it about the Janty Stick that relates to topping off carts? Isn't it just* a housing for a more powerful, longer-lasting battery, like the GG, SD, or Prodigy (that I have on order)? Does it have a juice pump (like the. UPAC) that I'm not aware of?
* "just" only in this context. I am a convert to the fat PVs.
It was the first word that caused me to read through all the posts thus far. Although I have learned a lot about topping and filling (and bacteria) - which is indeed relevant to my vaping - I've seen virtually nothing about *dripping*.
And I'm surprised. So many of the videos I've seen and comments I've read (by vapers far more experienced than I) have led me to believe that dripping directly on the atomizer was *the* way to go. I've not done it yet, because I have only one remaining working atomizer in my meager collection (of two).
Most of the device and parts vendors (at least on their websites) discourage dripping. And I don't see any pecuniary bias distorting their point of view. (Financially, they'd be better off if customers regularly damaged their attys and had to order lots more.)
And dripping 2-3 drops of liquid every few minutes seems like it would be a nuisance (and messy), especially when out and about.
But, as I mentioned, so many of the Senior and Super members of ECF swear by it.
BTW, what is it about the Janty Stick that relates to topping off carts? Isn't it just* a housing for a more powerful, longer-lasting battery, like the GG, SD, or Prodigy (that I have on order)? Does it have a juice pump (like the. UPAC) that I'm not aware of?
* "just" only in this context. I am a convert to the fat PVs.
Sorry, I don't understand the reasoning behind the third reason, just dim I guess.
Anyway, I haven't bought all that much juice yet, and most of that came from JC. I agree about controls from China, sketchy at best. Again though, we're all just guessing until someone does some definitive testing.
I don't know about 'most' or 'some', there are a lot of opinions out there, from users and sellers, you pretty much have to apply some common sense and make up your own mind.
I've tried both ways, and you're right, the dripping rigamarole is a nuisance, but it does get results, quite noticeable. Personally, I don't drip, I top off and toss the carts after a few days. Cheap enough (compared to smokes), to do that.
You're right, the stick is another (albeit more polished) variation of the SD type mods. Big battery holder attached to an 801. So if you drip, top off or use pre-filled carts on an 801, you'd probably do the same for the stick.
I have a 901, been vaping and cigarette free for 30 days now. I had initially thought of the syrige method, but I have about 30 carts and every weekend do the clean and fill. I pull all polyfill out and rinse in hot water then use a clean towel to blot dry them. At the same time I rinse out the carts with hot water and set aside to dry. I then take my carts and assebly line fill them. I have found each cart can hold roughly 12-14 drops depending on the size of the drop that come out. I fill to about 1/8" from the top and push the batting back in. I have not had one overflow as the batting goes in it absorbs the liquid. then I push the batting flush cap cover and go to the next. When I am done I set all the cart in the filled box and as I use them the used go in the empty box. I use the top and bottom of a Ipod Touch box and seems to work good. The whole process take about 30 min and I am good fo a week. Dripping is a waste of time. I get the same if not more duration of vap when I refill my own. When a tip is broken I order another 5 empty carts and keep filling. If the poly is burnt down I have the "Small" bag of poly fill sheeting from walmart that was 8 bucks that should at this rate last me a life time. Since the sheet poly is 1/8" thick even though it says 1/4 and I cut the batting 1/4" wide by 1 1/2" long then double it over and it is ready to go in 1/4" x 1/4" x 3/4". A steel ruler and a xacto knife makes fast work of producing these accurately.
Well nice thread, I am working on my first mod wish me luck
Dan
Well nice thread, I am working on my first mod wish me luck
Dan
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