e-cig vs Nicotrol inhaler

[p.opus]

Look at these instructions:

• Inhale deeply into back of throat or puff in short breaths
• As you inhale or puff through the mouthpiece, nicotine turns into a vapor and is absorbed into your mouth and throat
• Use Inhaler longer and more often at first to help control cigarette cravings.
  

Sounds a lot like an e-cig, right?? Wrong. This is the instructions for the Nicotrol Inhaler which is a currently available NRT product available for use as a smoking cessation aid.

http://www.pfizer.com/files/products/uspi_nicotrol_inhaler.pdf#page=14

According to product data, each cartridge delivers 4mg of nicotine to the user and a maximum dose of 20 cartridges per day can be prescribed per it's clinical trials (normal maximum is 16 cartridges). This means that I can be delivered up to 64 to 80mg of nicotine daily using this product.

I currently vape 12mg/ml e-juice. I would need to vape over 6 1/2 mL of my current strength e-juice daily to equal the maximum dosage from a Nicotrol inhaler. That's over 4 mini protanks worth. I vape an average of 1.5 to 2ML daily. More if I'm chain vaping at home. I have never vaped more than 4.0 mL in a day. This is still way below the maximum dose described in the Nicotrol product.

What's odd is that the Nicotrol Inhaler is not considered a tobacco product, is not subject to the bans being considered in cities and countries around the world and is not considered a gateway to eventual tobacco use in teens.

I would really like a government official to explain to me why my e-cig should be banned and this should not.

Maybe I should have my doctor prescribe me my iTaste and Wowboy e-juice. Then I can show the ANTZ that I'm not vaping, I am just using NRT as prescribed by my physician.....

 

[toddrhodes]

I know this was posted in the other thread also but wow... when you lay out the math like that, it produces rage, at least on my side. And certainly this product is "FDA Approved" because who lines pockets better than Pfizer...

Crap like this makes me less and less guilty about getting my $250/mo meds from India for $40/3 months instead.

 

[MikeZ28]

I've tried the Nicotrol inhaler, they are insanely expensive and basically useless. That right there suggests why the government would support them. They didn't satisfy any cravings for me whatsoever. No doubt, given what they cost (all NRT's), BP doesn't want to compete with e-cigs. E-juice costs only a fraction, combined with a PV actually works and you don't need a doctor to get it. No price gouging, taxes (yet) or co-pays. A lot of entities aren't getting their piece of the pie.

 

[riseabovethestorm]

See, FDA?

An PV is not a medical device.

That useless hunk of junk is.

 

[suspectK]

I think vaping works so well because it's the closest thing to smoking. If you just needed nicotine absorption, the patch and gum would work better, and people would actually enjoy it, i.e. the people here on ecf..

 

[riseabovethestorm]

Vaping = sensory deception.

There's no body to nicotine. I crave the feeling of having my lungs filled.

 

[suspectK]

Vaping = sensory deception.

There's no body to nicotine. I crave the feeling of having my lungs filled.

Boom. Case closed.

 

[MikeZ28]

Vaping = sensory deception.

There's no body to nicotine. I crave the feeling of having my lungs filled.

That's one of the problems with NRT's. They deliver nicotine in pre-perscribed doses and not at a rate that would keep cravings at bay even if the nic addiction was the only battle. Factor in the WTA's and the physical routines of smoking they fail even more so. Vaping fills the void in a way that the NRT's neglect.

To the OP's point,

I would really like a government official to explain to me why my e-cig should be banned and this should not.

The Nicotrol inhaler doesn't produce any vapor. It is basically sucking air through a nicotine saturated filler in a plastic tube. I'm not defending the other side, just suggesting that that will be a likely rebuttal. If too many people vape irresponsibly more bans are likely to happen. Hopefully most folks will use common sense and vape so as to not offend other people who may not like it or know what it is.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Vaping = sensory deception.

There's no body to nicotine. I crave the feeling of having my lungs filled.

It took me nearly nine months to figure out that the feeling of inhaling/exhaling was what I most addicted to, meaning what I most missed about smoking. Vaping cured that. I'm using mainly Omg now and it works for me. The Nicotrol inhaler was a miserable failure for me and I felt like a miserable failure because of it.

I think these weak NRTs do far more harm than good by actually convincing smokers that they can’t quit. Not sure which is a bigger scam, BP’s NRTs or insurance companies calling NRTs tobacco products and charging honest people who trying to better their health up the rear for doing so.

Excellent post p.opus!

 

[p.opus]

To the OP's point, The Nicotrol inhaler doesn't produce any vapor. It is basically sucking air through a nicotine saturated filler in a plastic tube. I'm not defending the other side, just suggesting that that will be a likely rebuttal. If too many people vape irresponsibly more bans are likely to happen. Hopefully most folks will use common sense and vape so as to not offend other people who may not like it or know what it is.

So e-cigs should be banned because the vapor makes my exhalation visible, is that what you are saying? A user who uses Nicotrol and a user who uses e-cigs both exhale nicotine, so we can't use second hand nicotine as a reason.

The difference between what I exhale from an inhaler and e-cig is some PG/VG vapor and food grade flavoring. All three of these have already been deemed by the FDA as safe and are common food additives.

I would like to know what "responsible vaping" is? If responsible vaping requires me to go outside and vape in the cold because of some persons irrational fear or ignorance, then I'm against that. I have to deal with things I find unpleasant every day. Whether it's the guy who microwaves fish for lunch or the person who drenches themselves in Axe. It is not my right to tell someone not to eat fish, or wear cologne. Why is it then that somone across the room should be able to tell me to stop vaping because they see the occasional puff of vapor appear above my cubicle wall?

Yet there are apologists who think that because my breath is suddenly visible, that I must hide in a closet or go to a designated smoking area. This is not acceptable to me. I am not a smoker, I don't expect to be labeled one or treated like one. If that means I need to educate you, fine. But your own senses should tell you I'm not smoking. I can smell cigarette smoke 1/2 a block away. I don't need to see "smoke" to know someone is smoking indoors. Thus, if I am in a restaurant and see someone vaping and don't smell smoke, it's obvious their vaping. Use your brain....

I don't believe I have the right to blow a big billow of vape in your face. That's just rude. But you don't have the right to get your panties in a wad and make a scene because you see me enjoy a PV half way across the room. Your sense of smell and sight should make it obvious that I'm not smoking.

If not, then perhaps we should add "coloring" to our vape. We can make them pink or blue or purple, and thus if you see someone with a pink cloud coming out their mouth, you know their vaping and you shut your pie hole..... (grin)

Colored vape.....That's an interesting thought. "vape the rainbow...."

 

[MikeZ28]

So e-cigs should be banned because the vapor makes my exhalation visible, is that what you are saying? A user who uses Nicotrol and a user who uses e-cigs both exhale nicotine, so we can't use second hand nicotine as a reason.

The difference between what I exhale from an inhaler and e-cig is some PG/VG vapor and food grade flavoring. All three of these have already been deemed by the FDA as safe and are common food additives.

I would like to know what "responsible vaping" is? If responsible vaping requires me to go outside and vape in the cold because of some persons irrational fear or ignorance, then I'm against that. I have to deal with things I find unpleasant every day. Whether it's the guy who microwaves fish for lunch or the person who drenches themselves in Axe. It is not my right to tell someone not to eat fish, or wear cologne. Why is it then that somone across the room should be able to tell me to stop vaping because they see the occasional puff of vapor appear above my cubicle wall?

Yet there are apologists who think that because my breath is suddenly visible, that I must hide in a closet or go to a designated smoking area. This is not acceptable to me. I am not a smoker, I don't expect to be labeled one or treated like one. If that means I need to educate you, fine. But your own senses should tell you I'm not smoking. I can smell cigarette smoke 1/2 a block away. I don't need to see "smoke" to know someone is smoking indoors. Thus, if I am in a restaurant and see someone vaping and don't smell smoke, it's obvious their vaping. Use your brain....

I don't believe I have the right to blow a big billow of vape in your face. That's just rude. But you don't have the right to get your panties in a wad and make a scene because you see me enjoy a PV half way across the room. Your sense of smell and sight should make it obvious that I'm not smoking.

If not, then perhaps we should add "coloring" to our vape. We can make them pink or blue or purple, and thus if you see someone with a pink cloud coming out their mouth, you know their vaping and you shut your pie hole..... (grin)

Colored vape.....That's an interesting thought. "vape the rainbow...."

I read the Vapers Hypocrisy thread after posting on this one. It was interesting to see the arguments being made by people who are for the most part, on the same side. If I had read that one first I no doubt would have framed my response to this one differently to avoid the emotional argument.

"So e-cigs should be banned because the vapor makes my exhalation visible, is that what you are saying?" Not at all, in fact I specifically stated that I was not defending that side. Simply stating that no visible vapor would likely be one of their rebuttals.

"I would like to know what "responsible vaping" is? If responsible vaping requires me to go outside..." NO. However common courtesy would suggest you do not vape for instance; on crowded mass transit, elevator, blah blah.. C'mon... common sense. But you know dang well that their are people who will do it. I vape while at the store shopping but not if someone is standing near me or I'm in a checkout line. If we self regulate our vaping behavior the gov't won't have to.

We're on the same side even if we may not agree point for point. I think the energy could be better directed toward those who would propose bans.

<wish i had more time but gotta run... work calls>

 

[VapieDan]

When attempting to quit analogues I obtained a script from a physician. Bearing in mind my health insurance would not be applicable A trip to the pharmacy was an eye opener. $900 per month. Needless to say I did not go this route. However the exposure to a "Vapor inhalation" device lead me to E-Cigs which did work and economically. Face it boys and girls take a collection of mods, clearomizers and juices per year. Do they even come close to $900/month? Just an example of rip offs from the pharmaceutical companies. Take a starter kit and a couple of months of juice and or cartomizers. My estimate less than $100 to get through the first few months. I am sure Pfizer is lobbying heavily against e cigs.

 

[Vicshalls]

Maybe I should have my doctor prescribe me my iTaste and Wowboy e-juice. Then I can show the ANTZ that I'm not vaping, I am just using NRT as prescribed by my physician.....
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Good luck with that part. I tried to get my doctor to do that and they basically laughed at me. If it was up to them they would ban caffeen too. At least that is what they said.

 

[EddardinWinter]

If it is a medical device, the FDA has absolute authority over it.

And, as we all know.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes....



FDA = Sith Lords?

 

[Kaori]

So e-cigs should be banned because the vapor makes my exhalation visible, is that what you are saying? A user who uses Nicotrol and a user who uses e-cigs both exhale nicotine, so we can't use second hand nicotine as a reason.

The difference between what I exhale from an inhaler and e-cig is some PG/VG vapor and food grade flavoring. All three of these have already been deemed by the FDA as safe and are common food additives.

I would like to know what "responsible vaping" is? If responsible vaping requires me to go outside and vape in the cold because of some persons irrational fear or ignorance, then I'm against that. I have to deal with things I find unpleasant every day. Whether it's the guy who microwaves fish for lunch or the person who drenches themselves in Axe. It is not my right to tell someone not to eat fish, or wear cologne. Why is it then that somone across the room should be able to tell me to stop vaping because they see the occasional puff of vapor appear above my cubicle wall?

Yet there are apologists who think that because my breath is suddenly visible, that I must hide in a closet or go to a designated smoking area. This is not acceptable to me. I am not a smoker, I don't expect to be labeled one or treated like one. If that means I need to educate you, fine. But your own senses should tell you I'm not smoking. I can smell cigarette smoke 1/2 a block away. I don't need to see "smoke" to know someone is smoking indoors. Thus, if I am in a restaurant and see someone vaping and don't smell smoke, it's obvious their vaping. Use your brain....

I don't believe I have the right to blow a big billow of vape in your face. That's just rude. But you don't have the right to get your panties in a wad and make a scene because you see me enjoy a PV half way across the room. Your sense of smell and sight should make it obvious that I'm not smoking.

If not, then perhaps we should add "coloring" to our vape. We can make them pink or blue or purple, and thus if you see someone with a pink cloud coming out their mouth, you know their vaping and you shut your pie hole..... (grin)

Colored vape.....That's an interesting thought. "vape the rainbow...."

Amen Brother! I love you p.opus!!

 

[Truetopath]

I actually had a doc at work today tell a patient to get the e cig because it's more effective than anything else on the market. Apparently my discussion with him paid off


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[MikeZ28]

I actually had a doc at work today tell a patient to get the e cig because it's more effective than anything else on the market. Apparently my discussion with him paid off


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I wish more doctors would do that. Wouldn't want them prescribed though. Like Edd said, that would put them under the pervue of the FDA. An off the record suggestion would be great. They really are more effective than anything else on the market.

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[mare ze dotes]

It was on my local news today. They were discussing the diference between the Ecig being a consumer product or a medical device. If it is being marketed as a medical device it would need FDA approval .

 

[MikeZ28]

Yeah, that's why their marketed as an alternative to smoking not a cessation aid. I think it's fine just the way it is. Consumers will regulate the market with their wallet.

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