E-Cigarette Forum Discussion Thread

[lolady]

Now, having said that, I am feeling a very strong desire to make one really, realy last post there.


I strongly believe that nicotine cessation should NOT be advocated for everyone.

It shouldn't. But they do believe that. It's one of their guiding principles, clearly stated in their mission statement or whatever you call it.

I think you had the right idea in letting the administration here know about your "last post," and if you wanted to make any others, I'd let them know about those, too.

Not because the post you want to make is in direct opposition to their declared beliefs, but because these latest events make it clear that there is other stuff going on that has nothing to do with anybody's beliefs, and smells a lot like cray cray.

Another wise quote (interestingly, also courtesy of the same season of I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here)

When you see crazy coming, cross the street.

John Salley

 

[MustangSallie]

Now, having said that, I am feeling a very strong desire to make one really, really last post there.


...

Thoughts?

That is why I had my account deleted. The temptation for just one more post would be too high. I don't trust the members of the Q to not use any post as "evidence" that I'm trolling. That board is seriously dysfunctional. IMHO

 

[hobotivo]

That is why I had my account deleted.

Did they actually delete it? Have you tried to log on?
(Your hair looks nice today!)

Cheers

 

[MustangSallie]

I'll say it again, you laid a foundation. It's there waiting for someone else to come along and build it into a house of sanctuary.

 

[MustangSallie]

Did they actually delete it? Have you tried to log on?
(Your hair looks nice today!)

Cheers

Yes, deleted. My posts are there, but my account is gone, and the name by my posts are not clickable.

Thanks.

 

[hobotivo]

Yes, deleted. My posts are there, but my account is gone, and the name by my posts are not clickable.

Thanks.

Oh, it's good that Fred actually actions some requests.
Cheers

 

[MustangSallie]

I'm sure he was relieved. I very politely told him why and what I thought of it. VERY politely.

 

[lolady]

...subforum for e-cigs or making that post of Randy's a sticky. ...she doesn't want to do either at this time....she was following my post on the e-cig that went for about 7 pages and was a little concerned...I took a little heat myself from a couple of folks that PM'd me and we're not too pleased about my post....

I hesitate to suggest this, but do you get any sense of what her comfort level might be with the idea of a search feature for the forum?

Could the fact that it could be used to search for any text string, including those completely unrelated, even opposed, to e-cigarettes, possibly make it more of a "method-neutral" concept?

Please be very, very careful.

 

[DC2]

I think you had the right idea in letting the administration here know about your "last post," and if you wanted to make any others, I'd let them know about those, too.

If I did make that one really, really, really, really last post, I would run it by Rolygate first.
There is no way in hell I'm going to do anything to risk my membership here, this place is my home.

That is why I had my account deleted. The temptation for just one more post would be too high. I don't trust the members of the Q to not use any post as "evidence" that I'm trolling. That board is seriously dysfunctional. IMHO

Yeah, I eliminate the temptation by not going onto that board anymore.
What I don't see can't disturb me, turn my stomach, or otherwise make my blood boil.

 

[MustangSallie]

Yeah, I eliminate the temptation by not going onto that board anymore.
What I don't see can't disturb me, turn my stomach, or otherwise make my blood boil.

Good call. I haven't quite kicked the habit yet. I imagine one day soon I will. What I find fascinating is that Electricman hasn't posted any additional anti threads since you left. So it appears he was fighting us, and not the electronic cigarette. Shocking, I know.

 

[phonedude]

If I did make that one really, really, really, really last post, I would run it by Rolygate first.
There is no way in hell I'm going to do anything to risk my membership here, this place is my home.


Yeah, I eliminate the temptation by not going onto that board anymore.
What I don't see can't disturb me, turn my stomach, or otherwise make my blood boil.

Very good plan. I was unable to get myself banned. I have BANNED MYSELF.

As far as my account there goes I don't know what to do. And as well as I know myself that means I will probably do nothing. I am reluctant to have any more contact with those people, even Fred.

But my account will certainly sit there inactive. I have extremely strong willpower once I have washed my hands of something or someone. It is out of my life for good.

Enough said. I am sitting here, reading the postings of my friends, and enjoying some Vermillion River Maplewood nicquid. (24mg per ml) Life is good.

 

[renstyle]

I did not request my account to be deleted, but I did take alternate precautions...

I let Rolygate know that I was going to make one last post there in order to explain any sudden disappearances of ECF members, and to let the people there who were in contact with me in private know that I would no longer be available there.

After posting that thread I sent it to Rolygate to read for himself, and then let him know that it was my last post there and that I would not be sending any further PMs there either. I noted that should he receive ANY future complaints about me they are going to be lies.

I am comfortable with that for now.

wow, now you've got me worried....

 

[lolady]

...What I don't see can't disturb me, turn my stomach, or otherwise make my blood boil.

+ this fine kittycat from far Cathay

 

[MagnusEunson]

I think you should consider attending one of the CASAA board meetings and presenting your thoughts.

*blinks* Yeah, I think that ends poorly at this point. Between this brief interaction and some other threads I think the type of thought processes people like me have are not welcome in organizations that are fighting against a much larger enemy. That's not exclusive to CASAA. It happens and you just move on. -Magnus

 

[MagnusEunson]

Um, that's the part you and Randy are working on.

*looks at Randy* Do I just nod in agreement and recover later or what man? ;-) -Magnus

 

[DC2]

Good call. I haven't quite kicked the habit yet. I imagine one day soon I will. What I find fascinating is that Electricman hasn't posted any additional anti threads since you left. So it appears he was fighting us, and not the electronic cigarette. Shocking, I know.

Are his scare tactic threads still at the top of the forum?

 

[lolady]

*looks at Randy* Do I just nod in agreement and recover later or what man? ;-) -Magnus

Not exactly. I mean, well, OK maybe i am just a little bit diabolical sometimes.

But that does not change the fact that you are both very smart, and have made no attempt whatsoever to hide this.

 

[MustangSallie]

Are his scare tactic threads still at the top of the forum?

 

[DC2]

wow, now you've got me worried....

I think it's great that you're still posting there.
But honestly, I think it is wise to be a bit worried.

Having said that, I have never seen you say ANYTHING that could offend anyone.
But being left behind could still make you a target.

I would ask Rolygate if you were mentioned in any of the complaints.

And I would be heartened by the fact that cigarbabe only got suspended and not banned.
In spite of being told we would get no warning, I would consider that a warning.

 

[Thulium]

So yes... I am aware of the other addictive components that exist in tobacco. My initial goal was to ultimately quit all tobacco products; not replace one for another. I understand that many here espouse the principle of "harm reduction" and I take no issue with that. For me, using an e-cig was never about harm reduction, but harm elimination. Yes, I'm aware we can never truly eliminate all the potential harm in the world around us.

After you eliminate the harms and byproducts of combustion, what harm is left to eliminate? If you don't light it on fire and smoke it, how is using tobacco products including nicotine any worse than chocolate, coffee, or soda products including caffeine? Yes, of course there are still some attendant risks with continuing to use nicotine, but many of the exact same risks are identical or greater in caffeine.

No one seriously objects if they happen to catch a whiff of the caffeinated vapor eminating from a cup of coffee or all the vapors that you can smell up to a block away from many coffee shops. No one accuses children of "trading one addiction for another" when we encourage them to use sugar-free water additives like Mio "Water Enhancer" (which, by the way, I am pretty certain you can vape. Check the ingredients below...I don't know if it would produce much vapor, but I bet it would work) instead of high calorie caffeinated sodas.

I understand that after hearing the anti-tobacco rhetoric our entire lives it can be difficult to accept the fact that tobacco is no more "evil" or "unhealthy" than any other plant product that contains natural psychostimulants like coffee, tea, or chocolate. Consuming an excessive amount or lighting it on fire and smoking it can certainly create serious health problems and should be discouraged, but there is simply no reason to prohibit smoke-free tobacco products as long as combustible cigarettes remain the most popular form of recreational nicotine or tobacco; nor is there any reason to vilify all things tobacco-related (including people who are unable or unwilling to quit) when equally or more deadly products like coffee, tea, and chocolate are actively promoted and legal to sell to children who are most likely to become addicted.