E-Cigarette Forum Discussion Thread

[MustangSallie]

The funny thing is, there are posts over there from people who have joined since Monday and their posts are going through. I am starting to suspect that Randy and I have been blacklisted. I think Randy said some of his posts could be considered inflammatory, but I honestly don't think any of mine were. Although, as I said, some were made in some of the more volotile threads in response to some of the nastier posts. I have other email addresses I could use to register with again, but honestly, if the posts I made are enough to get me banned then I'm thinking that may be a place I don't need to hang out at. I'm the kind of person who says what's on my mind. I try never to be abrasive and abusive, but I don't like to censor myself just to get along with the crowd.

 

[phonedude]

I accidently created 2 identical help tickets; no response on either one. The only known email address I have is boardadmin@quitsmokingmessageboard.com. That may only be a send-only address for the activation emai, however.

I can't PM Fred, because you can't use the PM system until you become a full registered member, so I'm stuck in limbo.

MustangSallie is having the same problem. I'm fairly sure that others have signed up and been approved since I did.

PM sent. I just said several new members because I don't know who all is waiting. WE WILL SEE

 

[Randyrtx]

Since it's been a number of days since I made my initial posts, I wouldn't mind if they were deleted, if it would "reset" my account and get me back on the active approval queue. I think we may have just been dropped in a black hole. It's reasonable to think we'd have at least gotten some notice if they posts were undesirable for some reason.

I don't really care at this point either way, but I'd like to know what happened.

 

[Trbobitch]

You both may have just gotten lost in the shuffle

 

[Randyrtx]

You both may have just gotten lost in the shuffle

I suspect that's the case. It reminds me of a company email from the IT department of one of my former jobs:

"If any employess are having difficulty sending or receiving emails, please email the IT department to submit a help request, and we will respond via email as soon as possible."

 

[JuiceJunkie]

Whew...made it Wasn't on much yesterday and had A LOT of catching up to do in this thread.

Welcome duextrouble
Love the avi DarkFalconX
Gary. love the new avi too

 

[MustangSallie]

Since it's been a number of days since I made my initial posts, I wouldn't mind if they were deleted, if it would "reset" my account and get me back on the active approval queue. I think we may have just been dropped in a black hole. It's reasonable to think we'd have at least gotten some notice if they posts were undesirable for some reason.

I don't really care at this point either way, but I'd like to know what happened.

Agreed.

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[Trbobitch]

So I should probably follow my own advice and not post on this CT thread, but I made not ONE mention of ecigs, purposely. LOL I can't help myself sometimes.

 

[ClayK]

Clay is it a specif thread you are having trouble with or just everyplace in general?

Generally speaking really, but Trbo hit one of the specifics I was addressing (found below).

I don't get it... It's ok to say this:

But not what John said? Or Kristin? Because:

I believe you are crossing the grounds here. If somebody goes into the cold turkey section, and wants to quit cold turkey, why would you...who have NOT succeeded in cold turkey, even consider giving advice? Especially when you KNOW we will get upset. Why are you baiting us. I am trying to be nice, but you guys hover and hover and breathe down our necks. your very intrusive. you keep it subtle, but we are not stupid.

Ummmmm...

It was in the CT section. Probably preceding the above quote.

...sigh...hearing of someone's failure with a certain method can be very beneficial to someone trying that method, not succeeding, and feeling like they are alone. It could help them to find a way to get that method to work for them if they wish to pursue it....or to find another method or alternative.....You can learn from everyone's success and failure....

That's part of the learning process, at least for adults. We learn heuristically, meaning we share experiences and learn from other's methods and mistakes. I'm not saying anyone isn't an adult or that someone is a child, I hope my previous sentence is miscommunicated. Colleges, military training, post-graduate work; pretty much everything that is considered higher learning focuses on this type of education type. I could cite the Systems Approach to Training manual, but I really don't want to crack it open right now.

 

[deuxtrouble]

So humour me for a moment please. This just came to me while I was reading the post about blood tests and lower levels of nicotine.

I am in Canada and maybe I should ask this in a Canadian forum, but all of you smoked before right? Do most of you use nicotine? My understanding is that you have moved from cancer causing cigarettes (and the bazillion other chemicals) to PV's to reduce the harm.

It is also my understanding that in Canada - you cannot buy stuff (???) with nicotine in it. So I wonder if all the people in Canada using e-cigs are using them for an alternate reason and if they are using it as an alternative to cigarettes, then why are they not jonesing for nicotine?

I am just really curious now. I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow....I am going to ask him his opinion on the electronic cigarette.

Thanks

 

[ShannonA]

First hi everyone....congrats Gary on the zero nic!

I see someone wants to be friendly now that you're doing things her way even though that's not how she did it herself...lol

I don't get it... It's ok to say this:



But not what John said? Or Kristin? Because:



Ummmmm...

My guess is John's wasn't a litte one liner lik "Hey x way is just fine"then again if they pay attention John's posts are not generally short when he says anything of even slight importance...that's just John. I believe Katiem would jumped on it no matter what. I think Diane probably wouldn't have said much if it had just bee that one post from John.

And with that said, I DO think it's a good idea if we stay out of the other "method" sections. We have our own section there and they know who we are, any post we make in the other sections will be viewed as an attempt to sway people to ecigs, no matter what the poster's intentions are. Keep it to the main board, socializing and the ecig section IMO.

I agree at least in the short term. I got snapped at on on of the patch threads days ago so I just stay out for right now.

 

[kristin]

I think a lot of Canadians just order the nicotine cartridges from online? While I'm sure it happens on rare occasions, I don't know too many long-time smokers who go straight to 0 nicotine and successfully switch. I know I never would have bought my first one if it had no nicotine in it.

Some people don't believe nicotine is as addictive as it's been made out to be. (Maybe a tactic for pharmaceutical companies to sell their wares?) Given the fact that a lot of people can easily wean down to 0 or very low nicotine with e-cigarettes, so long as they are still enjoying the experience, it's looking like some researchers may have to restudy nicotine absent the smoke or tobacco. (Almost all studies of nicotine additction are with smokers and/or tobacco users.)

 

[ShannonA]

I think a lot of Canadians just order the nicotine cartridges from online? While I'm sure it happens on rare occasions, I don't know too many long-time smokers who go straight to 0 nicotine and successfully switch. I know I never would have bought my first one if it had no nicotine in it.

Some people don't believe nicotine is as addictive as it's been made out to be. (Maybe a tactic for pharmaceutical companies to sell their wares?) Given the fact that a lot of people can easily wean down to 0 or very low nicotine with e-cigarettes, so long as they are still enjoying the experience, it's looking like some researchers may have to restudy nicotine absent the smoke or tobacco. (Almost all studies of nicotine additction are with smokers and/or tobacco users.)

I would really be interested in seeing some studies done on nicotine's effects outside of tobacco.

 

[DarkFalconX]

I think a lot of Canadians just order the nicotine cartridges from online? While I'm sure it happens on rare occasions, I don't know too many long-time smokers who go straight to 0 nicotine and successfully switch. I know I never would have bought my first one if it had no nicotine in it.

Some people don't believe nicotine is as addictive as it's been made out to be. (Maybe a tactic for pharmaceutical companies to sell their wares?) Given the fact that a lot of people can easily wean down to 0 or very low nicotine with e-cigarettes, so long as they are still enjoying the experience, it's looking like some researchers may have to restudy nicotine absent the smoke or tobacco. (Almost all studies of nicotine additction are with smokers and/or tobacco users.)

When I started using e-cigarettes less than 3 months ago, I was a 1/2 PAD American Spirit full flavor smoker. I was able to drop from 24mg down to 6mg in about a month and have had no cravings whatsoever as a result. I believe that nicotine by itself is about as addictive as caffeine, with some exceptions depending on the individual.

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[Trbobitch]

I agree with all of you. I truly believe that my "addiction" to smoking has more to do with the actions and the rituals versus the nicotine.

 

[Randyrtx]

It is my understanding that Canada banned the sale of nicotine-containing liquids and products, but not hardware and zero-nicotine liquids. You can find more info in the Canada Forum.

I found some interesting articles earlier:

Recommendation for Long-Term Nicotine-Replacement Therapy May Be on the Way - WSJ.com
Long-Term NRT Use Potentially Acceptable | News | ActionToQuit ? Advancing Tobacco Control Policy

And also this one:

Long-term Nicorette gum users losing hair and teeth

This woman's eyes were opened by reading 150 Nicorette user comments posted at AskAPatient.com. Clearly, user symptom complaints such as those listed at AskAPatient.com do not reflect objective medical science. But given the massive scientific void in failing to research nicotine's long-term effects they afford the only evidence currently available.

(emphasis added)

It's a serious double standard when anecdotal evidence is acceptable on one hand (with only 120 reports), but said to be invalid when the same analysis is applied to electronic cigarette user surveys.

 

[phonedude]

I suspect that's the case. It reminds me of a company email from the IT department of one of my former jobs:

"If any employess are having difficulty sending or receiving emails, please email the IT department to submit a help request, and we will respond via email as soon as possible."

That is hillarious. That's progress for ya.

 

[phonedude]

Generally speaking really, but Trbo hit one of the specifics I was addressing (found below).



It was in the CT section. Probably preceding the above quote.



That's part of the learning process, at least for adults. We learn heuristically, meaning we share experiences and learn from other's methods and mistakes. I'm not saying anyone isn't an adult or that someone is a child, I hope my previous sentence is miscommunicated. Colleges, military training, post-graduate work; pretty much everything that is considered higher learning focuses on this type of education type. I could cite the Systems Approach to Training manual, but I really don't want to crack it open right now.

At each of the many schools I attended over the course of my career I would always learn more in the smoking section talking to the other students

Than I ever did in the classroom. heuristic - I will have to look that up. sounds similar.

We would learn from each others failures for sure. Those were always the best stories. And many times the funniest LOL

 

[Randyrtx]

I am just really curious now. I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow....I am going to ask him his opinion on the electronic cigarette.

Thanks

Do let us know what he says!

For me, it's mostly about harm reduction. I loved to smoke, but I hated the health consquences. Now, I have all the pleasurable effects of smoking, without the harmful smoke (I don't consider casual nicotine use to be any more harmful than caffiene). In fact, vaping is far more pleasurable than smoking ever was!

I'll be getting a physical next month, just over 2 months shy of being 2 years without smoking. I'll be annoying the crap out of my Doc. in checking me over for any negative effects of vaping! So far, he's been very pleased and supportive.

 

[ClayK]

My spelling Fu is off today..

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