E-Cigarette Forum Discussion Thread

[MustangSallie]

I have more hope that I had initially.

But then again, I still think that in order for us to do what we believe is right, their board might be destroyed.
Because they have evolved into an anti-nicotine board, apparently despite the desires of the boards owner and moderator.

The owner welcomes us, in my opinion, because he is tired of a small group of folks taking over his board.
But he can't rid his board of them, because they drive whatever amount of traffic he has.

But my opinion hasn't changed, in that I think we are at odds fundamentally.
That board now revolves around the "Nicodemon" concept, but we know better.

The collective experience of the thousands of people who have made their way through this forum assures us of this.

We will not give, because we ARE right, but maybe some day in the far off future they will give.
But I seriously doubt it.

I think was starting to second guess myself. Not about using an e-cig to quit smoking, but about whether I should be seriously considering reducing my nic intake as soon as practical. Then I snapped to my senses. Through all this, there is at least one thing that I'm very sure of, as long as I have an e-cig within mailing distance I won't be having another cigarette. And that is MY primary concern.

 

[DC2]

See I am not really concerned about the argument. It does bother me a little they they demonize to the degree they do but I'm not about changing their minds.... I'd be happy if they just quit trying to get us to agree with them.

I dont think they are trying to get us to agree with them so much as they are trying to convince new people to abhor what we offer.
And I am quite certain that they believe what they say all the way down to their bones.

I really can't ever see them stop preaching an alternate view of the universe.
And many of us feel that what they are preaching is fundamentally harmful to many people trying to quit smoking.

I just don't see any way the two sides can meet.
But I hope I'm wrong.

 

[ShannonA]

I dont think they are trying to get us to agree with them so much as they are trying to convince new people to abhor what we offer.
And I am quite certain that they believe what they say all the way down to their bones.

I really can't ever see them stop preaching an alternate view of the universe.
And many of us feel that what they are preaching is fundamentally harmful to many people trying to quit smoking.

I just don't see any way the two sides can meet.
But I hope I'm wrong.

Well a few of them have admitted not smoking is better than smoking nicotine or not. MO that's where our focus should be... no nicotine is generally best case..then nicotine but not smoking... smoking = VERY BAD!

 

[DC2]

I think was starting to second guess myself. Not about using an e-cig to quit smoking, but about whether I should be seriously considering reducing my nic intake as soon as practical.

I don't know, if you feel that way, maybe you should.
Or maybe just give it a try.

 

[ShannonA]

Originally Posted by MustangSallie
I think was starting to second guess myself. Not about using an e-cig to quit smoking, but about whether I should be seriously considering reducing my nic intake as soon as practical.

Well that's what I'm doing... BUT that was myplan from day one. MO you do what YOU feel is right for as long as your not lighting up a stinke you're better off.

Although the fact that I'm stepping down nicotine doesn't seem to have made difference with that handful of members sooo... *shrug*. No worries they aren't the reason I'm doing it.

 

[phonedude]

For what it's worth .79mg Apple Caramel Candy is pretty tasty. I didn't think I would be at all satisfied. The reason I decided to try low nicotine was just as a test. And I'm glad I did because too much throat hit was beginning to annoy me. So for me it's worked really well.

But tomorrow I may decide to hit some 36mg tobacco. Or 24mg or 0mg.

That's the awesome thing about these miracles. We can experiment without fear of going back to cigarettes.

 

[ShannonA]

Should I be giving credit to hairball for the use of the term stinkie I wonder?

 

[DC2]

This thread has me very upset...
QuitSmokingMessageBoard.com • View topic - 6 weeks....still very rough...

If you search this guys previous posts, you can see he very well may be someone that this applies to...

The official list of nicotine withdrawal symptoms in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV) includes depressed mood, sleep disturbance, irritability, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, restlessness, decreased heart rate, and increased appetite or weight gain. These symptoms are supposed to peak within a day or so and disappear altogether after a couple of weeks. However, researchers have found that in some groups of quitters, symptoms do not dissipate and can, in fact, worsen as time goes on. [9]

The problems with concentration, memory, and mood make it difficult to fulfill responsibilities of daily living. How many employers are willing to overlook impaired job performance for weeks or months at a time? What effect does prolonged irritability that sometimes escalates into anger have on relationships with family, coworkers, and friends?

This is an exact description of what he is going through.

I am doing all I can to keep from posting this in that thread.
I think it could save his life.

Until the day I can post that there, I don't see how we will ever be able to come together.

 

[ShannonA]

This thread has me very upset...
QuitSmokingMessageBoard.com • View topic - 6 weeks....still very rough...

If you search this guys previous posts, you can see he very well may be someone that this applies to...



I am doing all I can to keep from posting this in that thread.
I think it could save his life.

You're an adult you do what you feel is right.

 

[DC2]

You're an adult you do what you feel is right.

Actually, out of respect for what they are trying to do, I don't know what I feel is right.
But I do think if I post that there, this whole thing could explode.

Maybe they will save him, maybe he will get past this, who knows?

 

[MustangSallie]

Guess nobody else thought my idea would work either.

I understand why you tossed it out there, but as to how it will be received? Dunno...

Considering how we just got attacked by Stephanie, again... I'm starting not to care how Stephanie feels, because I don't think there is much I can do to change it. I think even if both of the threads here are deleted there would be no change of heart from her until we each issue her a public personal apology. Even then I have my doubts it would be a sticky change of heart. She says what we did/are doing here is makes us super wimpy (sorry, my spell checker just won't let me spell it wrong) punks and dip wads, but has no problem doing the same thing herself? Just doesn't add up to me that there's going to be a friendly resolution. I tried with her and as I said she shot me down. Our first thread may have been unkind at times, and many of us agreed publicly over there it was. As you said Shannon, it's one of the reasons we closed it and started this one. But this thread? I've not read anything close to the anger she just spewed, so.... Yup, I'm done with being concerned about being Stephanie's friend.

I think the rest of them could care less about an apology or this thread. It's just convient ammunition. If they didn't have this, they'd find something else. Especially if that something else was a thread over there discussing our frustrations. And there is no way we could keep them out of it. Not that they aren't free to post here. I don't discourage them posting over here, but I'm pretty sure our mods would put an end to it before it got off the ground.

Re: closing this thread to make Stephanie happy, since that's the only way the plan would work... Meh, we could find each other again I suppose, but I like it here, and there are a lot of people here who either can't or won't post over there so we'll lose a lot of people with that kind of shift.

 

[ShannonA]

I understand why you tossed it out there, but as to how it will be received? Dunno...

Considering how we just got attacked by Stephanie, again... I'm starting not to care how Stephanie feels, because I don't think there is much I can do to change it. I think even if both of the threads here are deleted there would be no change of heart from her until we each issue her a public personal apology. Even then I have my doubts it would be a sticky change of heart. She says what we did/are doing here is makes us super wimpy (sorry, my spell checker just won't let me spell it wrong) punks and dip wads, but has no problem doing the same thing herself? Just doesn't add up to me that there's going to be a friendly resolution. I tried with her and as I said she shot me down. Our first thread may have been unkind at times, and many of us agreed publicly over there it was. As you said Shannon, it's one of the reasons we closed it and started this one. But this thread? I've not read anything close to the anger she just spewed, so.... Yup, I'm done with being concerned about being Stephanie's friend.

I think the rest of them could care less about an apology or this thread. It's just convient ammunition. If they didn't have this, they'd find something else. Especially if that something else was a thread over there discussing our frustrations. And there is no way we could keep them out of it. Not that they aren't free to post here. I don't discourage them posting over here, but I'm pretty sure our mods would put an end to it before it got off the ground.

Re: closing this thread to make Stephanie happy, since that's the only way the plan would work... Meh, we could find each other again I suppose, but I like it here, and there are a lot of people here who either can't or won't post over there so we'll lose a lot of people with that kind of shift.

So yeah I'm not the only one that thinks it would have little to no affect just making a general discussion thread and leaving the other board out of it.

 

[MustangSallie]

See I am not really concerned about the argument. It does bother me a little they they demonize to the degree they do but I'm not about changing their minds.... I'd be happy if they just quit trying to get us to agree with them.

Agreed.

 

[MustangSallie]

Actually, out of respect for what they are trying to do, I don't know what I feel is right.
But I do think if I post that there, this whole thing could explode.

Maybe they will save him, maybe he will get past this, who knows?

Yes, maybe. I have to say though, the only time I had those kind of doubts of my ability to quit is when it eventually failed within a short time. The only time I had no doubts was when it lasted 5 years. And if I recall, I had a few slips right around the 6 week mark. Then again, the guy would have to be blind not to see all the discussions about nicotine and e-cigs over there. Maybe if he is interested he will post in the e-cig forum or send a PM. I'm with you, I feel bad that I feel bad about not offering support because I'm not sure of what the right thing is.

 

[MustangSallie]

Thank you Shannon for the subliminal suggestion to catch up with the -lol- thread. It cheered me up IMMENSELY! They're CRAZY in there.

 

[Randyrtx]

This thread has me very upset...
QuitSmokingMessageBoard.com • View topic - 6 weeks....still very rough...

If you search this guys previous posts, you can see he very well may be someone that this applies to...



This is an exact description of what he is going through.

I am doing all I can to keep from posting this in that thread.
I think it could save his life.

Until the day I can post that there, I don't see how we will ever be able to come together.

My opinion? I think you should post the link. I went through that myself (and still am), and I certainly wish I had known that information at the time. Serious depression is no joke.

 

[LibertariaNate]

This thread has me very upset...
QuitSmokingMessageBoard.com • View topic - 6 weeks....still very rough...

After I signed up that was one of the threads I replied to (still haven't been approved). My reply was just a general one of support for him.

 

[phonedude]

I can sure relate to the irritability part. I think that's why I put off trying to quit again. I just didn't want to face that again.

 

[Randyrtx]

I understand why you tossed it out there, but as to how it will be received? Dunno...

Considering how we just got attacked by Stephanie, again... I'm starting not to care how Stephanie feels, because I don't think there is much I can do to change it. I think even if both of the threads here are deleted there would be no change of heart from her until we each issue her a public personal apology. Even then I have my doubts it would be a sticky change of heart. She says what we did/are doing here is makes us super wimpy (sorry, my spell checker just won't let me spell it wrong) punks and dip wads, but has no problem doing the same thing herself? Just doesn't add up to me that there's going to be a friendly resolution. I tried with her and as I said she shot me down. Our first thread may have been unkind at times, and many of us agreed publicly over there it was. As you said Shannon, it's one of the reasons we closed it and started this one. But this thread? I've not read anything close to the anger she just spewed, so.... Yup, I'm done with being concerned about being Stephanie's friend.

I think the rest of them could care less about an apology or this thread. It's just convient ammunition. If they didn't have this, they'd find something else. Especially if that something else was a thread over there discussing our frustrations. And there is no way we could keep them out of it. Not that they aren't free to post here. I don't discourage them posting over here, but I'm pretty sure our mods would put an end to it before it got off the ground.

Re: closing this thread to make Stephanie happy, since that's the only way the plan would work... Meh, we could find each other again I suppose, but I like it here, and there are a lot of people here who either can't or won't post over there so we'll lose a lot of people with that kind of shift.

Methinks there is nothing any of you could ever do to please Little Miss Stephanie.

So far as keeping us together... the mods might be willing to create a forum group that we could join, if we ask (no idea on the procedure, though). That might be better even, since we could have different threads for different things.

I wouldn't want to lose track of you guys either!

 

[LibertariaNate]

I haven't been to QSMB today and after reading all this, I don't want to. My membership hasn't been approved anyway and I'm okay with that.

Hey, Fred, if you're reading this, delete my account. I want NOTHING to do with your forum. I initially did because I wanted to help others who have struggled and are continuing to struggle with their quits. I thought that after your message to the forum about acceptance things would cool off and there could be some civil conversation. I think some people took it to heart, but there are enough long-time members who didn't and continue to fan the flames that I feel you've completely lost control of your own board. I can't tell you how to regain control, but I think nothing short of a "reset" is going to get you there. I wish you the best.

I for one will happily stay here and continue offering support and advice to anyone who finds our little slice of the internet. I truly believe that ridding one's body of the smoke and toxins in cigarettes is FAR more important than abstaining from nicotine. If using an eCig get's you to that point, I couldn't care less if you never get off nicotine. That is completely up to the individual. Tomorrow I will be 4 weeks quit and no other method has helped me quit that long before. This place has been awesome and I have no doubt it will continue to be so.