E-Cigarette Forum Discussion Thread

[MagnusEunson]

It's a strange world when people aren't just happy that other people have removed 99% of the health risks associated with smoking (which is the purpose of quitting nicotine to quit smoking in the first place) but insist the others also have to quit nicotine, when taking that extra step may be just the thing that pushes those people to relapse. Why do they not seem to care that the continued nicotine use without smoking is SAVING LIVES??

Where did you get the 99% number from? The rest of your numbers are exacting and cited (even if disputed but so is all early science). I'm curious if this number is as well so I can add it to my growing library of risk / risk aversion resources. -Magnus

 

[John Phoenix]

Give you 3 guesses and the 1st two don't count.

I just saw your reply after I posted that effects of smoking list. - I think that's it.. see what he did, tried to do.. take something that was perfectly innocent and start a fight with it.. brad is good at that too. I try not to answer those posts. that's baiting and wrong. Thank you for your comment btw.

 

[MagnusEunson]

QSMB has morphed into a "Quit Nicotine" forum. Addiction to anything other than nicotine is OK because that is not a focus of the forum.

Survival instinct. Just like boards about the BlackBerry turned into Android or iPhone boards. Boards about WoW becames boards about a much larger class of games. They had a good shtick and they needed to enhance it. They were too late to adopt the e-cig format so they went the other way. -Magnus

 

[ShannonA]

QSMB has morphed into a "Quit Nicotine" forum. Addiction to anything other than nicotine is OK because that is not a focus of the forum.

I know another group that would LOVE for smokers to use said "miracle" pill (especially for the rest of your life). I'll give you a hint: it's the same group that's petitioning the FDA for (approved) long term use of NRT.

(I know you already know this Kristin)

I remember reading about that I don't remember where... I don't see the point half of the people that use NRTS either smoke while using them or go back to smoking before they work all the way through the quit plan.

 

[ShannonA]

I just saw your reply after I posted that effects of smoking list. - I think that's it.. see what he did, tried to do.. take something that was perfectly innocent and start a fight with it.. brad is good at that too. I try not to answer those posts. that's baiting and wrong. Thank you for your comment btw.

I would just ignore Brad he's not even worth the time... he's been quit for less time than I have and has only been a member there for 1 month and what 5 days I think... he just likes to play in the drama he's insignifigant.

Yeah that may sound harsh but he followed me into a thread one of THEIR threads, just to make a dig and left didn't even contribute to the Op. He's an annoying fly nothing more.

And they can quote me on that I really don't care because its completely accurate.

 

[Randyrtx]

Excellent post here:

For those with a need to always be right and compete to win, conflict is rarely settled peacefully or without irreparable damage to their reputation or the relationship. For those who are quick to please or accommodate, giving in when in conflict reflects their way of life with no ambitions or expectations. And for those who would rather avoid conflict altogether, withdrawal is common when conflict arises due to their lack of confidence or unwillingness to communicate.


It is difficult to overcome these natural tendencies of competing, giving in, or withdrawing from conflict. It requires an attitude adjustment that allows you to accept, appreciate, and acknowledge the differences in others. When you truly value differences and can build on others’ strengths to compensate for your weaknesses, then you can effectively use the techniques of cooperation, collaboration, and compromising to settle conflict.

Cooperate

Cooperating requires helping others, not competing against them. Cooperation presumes there is no right or wrong, no better or worse. Part of cooperation is to help the other person understand what you want, and in turn, learning what the other person needs. Cooperating is an educational first step that lays the foundation for the next step, collaborating.

Collaborate

Collaborating requires working together to develop options and alternatives for reaching an agreement. Flexibility and creativity are essential for collaboration. Teaming up to discover possible solutions helps to set the stage for the next step, compromising.

Compromise

Compromising requires finding common ground based on the pool of possible solutions to the conflict. The desired outcome is a mutually beneficial, mutually satisfying resolution. There should not be any one-way concessions each person should equitably give and take. If a solution that benefits both people cannot be found, then there should at least be agreement to disagree.

Rather than compete, give in, or withdraw, with the proper frame of mind that respects others’ differences, the best way to resolve conflict is to cooperate, collaborate, and compromise.

~Coach Deb

 

[DC2]

Where did you get the 99% number from? The rest of your numbers are exacting and cited (even if disputed but so is all early science). I'm curious if this number is as well so I can add it to my growing library of risk / risk aversion resources. -Magnus

Kristen probably has a better answer, but this is one thing I've seen in the past...

We have every reason to believe the hazard posed by electronic cigarettes would be much lower than 1% of that posed by [tobacco] cigarettes.

 

[ShannonA]

No I was wowing about the two threads in the e-cig forum and the one that got moved there as well. Drama drama drama.


And where is our lol??? I misses her

 

[MagnusEunson]

Kristen probably has a better answer, but this is one thing I've seen in the past...

Still the same resources. From 1/100 to 1/10.... just nothing actually risk tree assessed and studied yet. The wait continues. Thanks, -Magnus

 

[kristin]

Which thread are you guys in now? And who was the new member who quit?

It drives me crazy that they keep starting threads about how disruptive the e-cig people are being when we aren't even the ones starting all the threads about e-cigs or e-cig users in the rest of the forum or even bringing up the topic most of the time. (Just reading the "Unbelievable" thread now.) I have posted in many support threads outside of the e-cig forum and never even mentioned e-cigarettes or continued nicotine use! If they'd stop calling us names or jumping on us even when we very politely state our opinion on nicotine or how we quit smoking, there wouldn't even be any drama. Just about every post I've seen where one of us gets snippy is actually a response to being either outright /insulted, passive-aggressively attacked/insulted by one of them or in support of another e-cig user being attacked for their views.

We get attacked or insulted first, respond in kind or try to defend ourselves or our beliefs and then we get chided for being the ones disrupting the board. I have yet to see one of us "attack" any of them without provocation. That is what is "unbelievable." It's obviously not what we REALLY say or how we say it - they consider us the instigators and source of all the problems just for our mere presence there. I wish they would just do what I do and put us on ignore. I had to do that with 2 of them already and I'm thinking of doing it for a couple more. If those folks ever have something useful and not hateful to say I may take them off, but it's easier to pretend they don't exist for now. Of course, that fails miserably when you guys quote them and I have to read it anyhow! LOL!

As far as our "support" thread here at ECF that they object to and why I wouldn't post this over there, I just like to post my feelings and opinion once in a while without a bunch of responses that look like this----->

ETA - I just read the "I don't get it thread" and not one of us mentioned e-cigs and Brad and another had to jump on one of us. THAT is what keeps this crap going.

 

[ShannonA]

Which thread are you guys in now? And who was the new member who quit?

It drives me crazy that they keep starting threads about how disruptive the e-cig people are being when we aren't even the ones starting all the threads about e-cigs or e-cig users in the rest of the forum or even bringing up the topic most of the time. (Just reading the "Unbelievable" thread now.) I have posted in many support threads outside of the e-cig forum and never even mentioned e-cigarettes or continued nicotine use! If they'd stop calling us names or jumping on us even when we very politely state our opinion on nicotine or how we quit smoking, there wouldn't even be any drama. Just about every post I've seen where one of us gets snippy is actually a response to being either outright /insulted, passive-aggressively attacked/insulted by one of them or in support of another e-cig user being attacked for their views.

We get attacked or insulted first, respond in kind or try to defend ourselves or our beliefs and then we get chided for being the ones disrupting the board. I have yet to see one of us "attack" any of them without provocation. That is what is "unbelievable." It's obviously not what we REALLY say or how we say it - they consider us the instigators and source of all the problems just for our mere presence there. I wish they would just do what I do and put us on ignore. I had to do that with 2 of them already and I'm thinking of doing it for a couple more. If those folks ever have something useful and not hateful to say I may take them off, but it's easier to pretend they don't exist for now. Of course, that fails miserably when you guys quote them and I have to read it anyhow! LOL!

As far as our "support" thread here at ECF that they object to and why I wouldn't post this over there, I just like to post my feelings and opinion once in a while without a bunch of responses that look like this----->

ETA - I just read the "I don't get it thread" and not one of us mentioned e-cigs and Brad and another had to jump on one of us. THAT is what keeps this crap going.

As I said Brad is insignifigant... I don't even reply to him anymore. Maybe we should just Foe all The trouble makers... Then we could feel free to post wherever.... you can't have a fight if no one fights back right?

 

[phonedude]

As I said Brad is insignifigant... I don't even reply to him anymore. Maybe we should just Foe all The trouble makers... Then we could feel free to post wherever.... you can't have a fight if no one fights back right?

That really makes a lot of sense.

Too bad we didn't know about that foe stuff when we first went there. LOL

Had to try it. Click on them and then add foe. Couldn't be easier.

 

[ShannonA]

Yes well I just went off....

 

[John Phoenix]

Which thread are you guys in now?

If you haven't added to this thread yet you may enjoy doing so: QuitSmokingMessageBoard.com • View topic - E-Cigarettes - Effectiveness -Measured by What Standard

 

[LibertariaNate]

Abby...the terms junkie and addict are not mean to be insults. For me personally, I think one has to accept that they are an addict if they are to recover from any addiction on a permanent basis. Knowing this helps to prevent that dangerous "just one" syndrome that has lead to so many relapses.
I am no expert on addiction so I described it the best way I could.
Anyway...more importantly...Great job on your quit and continued success to you

So call yourself an addict and understand that for many others that being called an addict or a junkie IS an insult.

 

[MustangSallie]

I wouldnt mind if they wanted to flame us up on other parts of the forum, but when they start the search and destroy mission on those that arent strong enough to defend themselves...THEIR OWN PEOPLE MIND YOU...Thats where I draw the line. Our section should be a safe haven for all e cig related discussion. PERIOD! They need to take a hike, and voice their opinions in their sections. They are simply bullying the board, and all that dont conform to their hitler mentality.

I can certainly go along with that.

EDITED: Except I'd really rather not get flamed at all, unless I post OT in another thread, or inappropriately state my beliefs about e-cigs and nicotine in another thread.

 

[Randyrtx]

It makes absolutely no sense to classify nicotine as a highly addictive substance. If it were, nicotine in NRT would never be available OTC, but would instead be required to be administered under a strictly managed smoking-cessation plan by a physician.

 

[kristin]

Kristen probably has a better answer, but this is one thing I've seen in the past...

It hasn't been determined specifically for e-cigarettes, but it is well established that 99% (if not more) of the illnesses and deaths related to tobacco use is from smoking it. Ergo - remove the smoke and remove 99% of the risk.

As I said Brad is insignifigant... I don't even reply to him anymore. Maybe we should just Foe all The trouble makers... Then we could feel free to post wherever.... you can't have a fight if no one fights back right?

That was going to be my next suggestion. If you don't want to use the "Foe" feature, just refuse to acknowledge the attacks and digs and only respond to direct questions without malice or sarcasm. Let's take the higher road here, folks. We're better than this. (Are you listening "Flaming" - whoever you are? )

 

[ShannonA]

It hasn't been determined specifically for e-cigarettes, but it is well established that 99% (if not more) of the illnesses and deaths related to tobacco use is from smoking it. Ergo - remove the smoke and remove 99% of the risk.



That was going to be my next suggestion. If you don't want to use the "Foe" feature, just refuse to acknowledge the attacks and digs and only respond to direct questions without malice or sarcasm. Let's take the higher road here, folks. We're better than this. (Are you listening "Flaming" - whoever you are? )

I wish Flaming would at least PM me with who they are that drives me crazy not knowing. Yes well I have been bad I ranted but tomorrow I will turn over a new leaf and use the foe button probably liberally.

 

[MustangSallie]

And who was the new member who quit?

It was Abby, in Greenlover's post about waiting for an answer on using e-cigs. Looks like she's staying after all.