E-Cigarette Forum Discussion Thread

[nitejanitor]

Take offense to anything you want. It's still a free country.

Personally, I think if anyone should be offended by her statement it's XBB and the members of his forum. Generally people don't like being called "pushovers." From what I've seen over there though, they seem to have a more receptive attitude when it comes to alternative methods of quitting cigs. I don't believe there will be a battle.

Well you approached them diffently-when I saw the not so pushy entrance I thought wow if only John might of came in quieter & pluss that board is nothing like the Q board-people are more or less on a level board-yes theirs moderators who actually rule the roost so yeah that board is nice & easy going.

 

[phonedude]

We have seen nothing with this impact ability in our lifetimes, and might not ever again, short of a "medical" cure for cancer. How many people die EVERY day from lung cancer, becuase they didnt have the ability to quite, and/or desire?

Well said Chief. I had given up on ever quitting. I had the desire but not the ability.

 

[nitejanitor]

After all this time, is that really how you still see it?

Well no one won on that standoff-all that happened is you got a section & Fred did some changes-why I don't know & its shut alot of people up & whether this is a good change or not time will tell. Its just too bad you didn't "invade" 2 yrs ago-it would of been interesting to see if I'd be free or vaping-most likely still vaping,but its alot of work sounds worst then rolling your own haha.

 

[The Big Chief]

Have you ever figured maybe I'm envious of you all-man it would of been sweet if my cardio dr. would of said well smoking caused this so yeah you should quit but here's an OUT for you-to me thats giving a person a choice-doing what they love instead of forced into quitting.....

Thats why you didnt even have to want to quite, they work for everyone, not just a single class. You dont have to be at the breaking point. You can pick them up at any stage, and NOT smoke the rest of your life. I dont care if they want to smoke, I dont care if they want to quite...Both have a better solution here. Im not here to judge either way, just offer a better one.

 

[ShannonA]

Let me know when the t-shirts are ready!

(I certainly hope no one does believe that, I'll let you all argue, but as a sentence, it needs a t-shirt)

"No More quit or die.... just smoke a bettery"

Think GotVapes would use it?

 

[LibertariaNate]

Well you approached them diffently-when I saw the not so pushy entrance I thought wow if only John might of came in quieter & pluss that board is nothing like the Q board-people are more or less on a level board-yes theirs moderators who actually rule the roost so yeah that board is nice & easy going.

I really don't want to open Pandora's box again with regards to QSMB. What's done is done. Unfortunately there are no "do overs" in life. People have made their apologies and it's time to move on.

 

[ShannonA]

Thats why you didnt even have to want to quite, they work for everyone, not just a single class. You dont have to be at the breaking point. You can pick them up at any stage, and NOT smoke the rest of your life. I dont care if they want to smoke, I dont care if they want to quite...Both have a better solution here. Im not here to judge either way, just offer a better one.

Well not quite everyone...there are people that keep smoking or even put the pv down and go back to cigarettes I don't think we should ignore that small but existant percentage.

 

[LibertariaNate]

Well no one won on that standoff-all that happened is you got a section & Fred did some changes-why I don't know & its shut alot of people up & whether this is a good change or not time will tell. Its just too bad you didn't "invade" 2 yrs ago-it would of been interesting to see if I'd be free or vaping-most likely still vaping,but its alot of work sounds worst then rolling your own haha.

I did RYO for 5+ years. Vaping, even if you make your own juice, is less time consuming than making cigs. Plus, you get different flavors.

 

[phonedude]

Well not quite everyone...there are people that keep smoking or even put the pv down and go back to cigarettes I don't think we should ignore that small but existant percentage.

They'll be back. Mwahahahaha.

 

[nitejanitor]

Well Big Chief I'll shut up & maybe just disappear-I don't need the headache I mistook this place to be a place to try & learn about the other but sometimes its comes across our way or the highway.

 

[The Big Chief]

Well no one won on that standoff-all that happened is you got a section & Fred did some changes-.

A standoff? really?

 

[LibertariaNate]

A standoff? really?

That's actually not a bad summation of what happened. Sure, some people got a bit hot under the collar and said some unpleasant things, but neither side was backing down. It took Fred and a few not so subtle hints to cool things off a bit.

 

[nitejanitor]

Thanks for seeing that the way I do-but it sucked they felt invaded & you all wanted to share your quit method & both sides just basically stood there screaming I'm right & you're not which made both sides get even meaner & everyone wished it would stop but was like a car wreck & everyone jumped in & then Fred said enough & now its a wait & see deal.

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

Well Big Chief I'll shut up & maybe just disappear-I don't need the headache I mistook this place to be a place to try & learn about the other but sometimes its comes across our way or the highway.

Not really...People are people...good days bad days it all has to be accounted for...Unfortunately that is also why I cannot work a regular job...and me...well I am actually better off than most with aspergers...but it makes me a target...someone has a bad day,they are a little stressed well their reaction to what is going on around them changes...

in my case I get picked on...due to my problems of course that doesn't work out well...I may look and act normal but a lot of it is just that... an act I have learned over time what is expected of a "normal" and try to emulate it best I can...

what I see here(I could be wrong ) is normal interaction that already had a little friction...no reason to get disturbed...life goes on...there are good people here and regardless of how they come off sometimes they mean well...and have much hope for a better life for all

 

[ShannonA]

Aww Beth don't be like that we all disagree sometimes... look at Nate and BC right now... perfect example.

 

[cigarbabe]

Ok nitej, why be over here if you are so against e cigs. Pick one way or the other. Fact is, when I see someone smoking, I dont even ask if they want to quite. I just ask if they've seen e cigs yet. This tool has the ability to drastically impact the health of our entire world. This is essentially a preventative cure for cancer, and it works. We have seen nothing with this impact ability in our lifetimes, and might not ever again, short of a "medical" cure for cancer. How many people die EVERY day from lung cancer, becuase they didnt have the ability to quite, and/or desire? If you dont want to embrace it, then just go away. Our concern is helping people get of ciggies, not keeping them addicted, or for that matter even chosing whether they are used to quite, or just a better way to smoke. I for one dont care either way. Just use em instead of cigs...Thats it. The rest is up to the person. We dont CARE about the nicotine, we care about the smoke. We dont believe that if you cant quite cold turkey, you should die of lung cancer for it, becuase "you" worked so hard for your "quite". You apparently believe your entitled to some throne that you are not. Like e cig users arent ALLOWED to consider themselves "quite".
You and brad seem to be 2 peas in a pod these days, just antagonizing whoever you can, ensuring that only 2% of smokers are able to quite, instead of the 80% we are able to save. Personally I think your just upset you didnt find e cigs first, same as brad.

The Big Chief is exactly right.
What is it with you and Brad?
If you dislike ecigs so much please just stay away from them.
Not one of us has advised you to try them indeed we have said to you "way to go for doing it the hard way"!
Yet you continue to post hurtful comments then get upset when someone calls you out on your own trolling. I'm sorry to say this but you do troll us.
I am so friggin sick of this bs. The continual needing to say something negative whatever the circumstance.

I believe you went over to the "new site" only to antagonize people, again to claim that we are just continuing to "smoke" and not really ex smokers because we continue that "hand to mouth addiction".
Can you really be that uninformed? Haven't you bothered to read any of the studies done or utilized any of the information people worked so hard to post at either site?
I have never seen in any DSM or medical journal whereby putting your hand to your mouth is some sort of insane addiction to smoking in and of itself!
Is it maybe obsessive sure but an addiction? NO!
I could be wrong now but I have never seen it.
If you have a serious link please post it.
Frankly it is no different than sucking on straws or biting pencils {or using an inhaler} which it seems many of your pals did. Why is it ok for them but not for us?
It is not a component of addiction except in some extremist view of how "you MUST DO THINGS my WAY".
Here is nitejanitors post at the new board ;
No
Smoking Forum • View topic - Your thoughts, please read!!

Re: Your thoughts, please read!!
Unread postby nitejanitor » Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:43 pm
Kinda curious do E cig people go from website to website trolling for new victims??? I like alot of these people I just have trouble embracing their nic delivery system-sorry guys.

* #1 Another roadblock I have is it always being stated like theirs no difference between doing gum & patches for yrs & yeah theirs a difference those NRT don't embrace that HAND TO MOUTH addiction you get with nic free or whatever dose of nic in an E cig. Usually no one touches this question. Thanks for at least asking if we wanted an invasion or not & at least they didn't come here with their guns blazing.

I wholly disagree that we go anywhere looking for victims of any sort.
Must you make it up as we go along?
You really have a lot of nerve to say those things along with {of course} Brad in a new place for us yet you come over here with nary a bad word for anyone. No one has treated you as badly as you continue to do to us regardless of the forum.
No one says you need to choose a side Beth {well maybe!} but you really need to grow up and stop the condescending remarks and the trying to antagonize people at every turn.
This is why I don't bother to reply mostly {when I can help it} to these nasty posts.
FWIW I hate feeling this way, I do.

There is no difference using this device than using any other NRT to try and cut down on your smoking. I have had it with these people attacking us and thereby pv's without any provocation or data.
Nate they have not cooled down any. If you'd like a link let me know.
http://www.quitsmokingmessageboard.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=38463&start=60
Honestly...

Okay I'm done!
C.B.

* #1 I neglected to add her first post so now they are backwards.
Sorry Beth.
Those are both posts I added above.

 

[Randyrtx]

Nevermind...

 

[LibertariaNate]

Aww Beth don't be like that we all disagree sometimes... look at Nate and BC right now... perfect example.

I was trying to give Beth the benefit of the doubt.

I hadn't seen her thread over at No Smoking Forum • View topic - Your thoughts, please read!! until I read CB's post. That's a pretty big smoking gun... (44 Magnum, I think)

I owe you an apology, Big Chief.

 

[LibertariaNate]

CB, I haven't been back to QSMB since asked Fred to delete my account. My posts were never approved and I'm not sure why.

 

[The Big Chief]

No apology needed..I expected opposition here, being the most open armed forum on the net..we dont do posts like these here, never needed to anyhow. I gotta admit..seeing them posts cut me reeeaal deep tonight.