Matter of fact I'm just about at my end with this troll. I know he just came over to give you guys a hard time, but I have to wait for him to hang himself. I just posted this to one of his posts..
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Matter of fact I'm just about at my end with this troll. I know he just came over to give you guys a hard time, but I have to wait for him to hang himself. I just posted this to one of his posts..
Very well put Nate!
Ok so let me say hello to everyone here since I made it back to camp.
It's a glorious day out finally and I'm looking forward to lazing in my hammock watching the birdschasing the chipmunks and vaping all in the buff! Bwahahaha!
What is everybody else doing this fine afternoon?
C.B.
That sounds too relaxing... I'm not sure too much relaxtion is good for you C.B.
We're at about 75 right now. Beautiful breeze, gorgeous sun. So you can keep your 90's. I'm happy with what I have now.
We don't have whole house AC. We didn't put it in when we built the house 8 years ago. I hate AC more than I hate 90+ degree days. We use window units so I can go to another room in the house if my husband gets it in his head to try freeze me to death.
I sure wish it was only 75 here... we don't have central air either (not sure it would be worth it this house is not exactly air tight)
I am enjoying being back home. I'm sure some front porch sitting is in order. I ordered some new flavorings so mailman stalking begins again.
It is a beautiful day here.
I ordered the hubby more juice from DFW it came in today (they keep renaming the flavor its supposed to be Marlboro) its not the same color it usually is and I'm worried he might not like it. I don't understand it its always pink " *bites lip*
MM my sympathies my cousin shot himself in April he didn't give us any warning...35 yrs old and left a wife and 3 kids behind. I would have never expected it of him. Being around him was like getting a shot of happy.
That's just wrong.
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Start calling him B-Rad or something. It seems some of you are really determined to get along with him. ;-) -Magnus
Not I... I ignore his existance most of the time. That's not accurate I refuse to give him the honor of a reply most of the time.
On a different note I'm shamelessly plugging lol's blog.... can't help myself it seems like a crime that so many miss out on her beautiful writings.
XBB - I know you were working on it.. i think i missed the invite.. so.. we are welcome to your other board? Whats the addy?
Thanks for reminding me, Chief, I saw one the other day that looked even worse than the "bicker board" as XBB calls it,
and thought of you all, (oh I wish I saved the link!)This one doesn't let people post until x days or something since they broke up with cigarettes, and y days or something since they dumped nicotine (if they used any kind of nicotine taper-away).
WTF? I guess that would be the ideal support group for the pathologically shy?
Why not just call itself as a "motivational reading resource?"
To be fair, I didn't peruse every nook and cranny of it, so it may say that somewhere, it also looked like a marketing vehicle for some old coot who's profession is going around singing the praises of cold turkey - but why put posting rules or whatever right on page 1, screen 1? ... I'm just sayin'...
Like the little Monty Python/Kafka homagette of the "I'm so opposed to nicotine that I even oppose things that don't have any" credo, it was so facepalm that I felt the urge to vent. Thanks for letting me.
Also, I have a question.
I've had the temerity to start assembling some scrap text about the various groups and gradations of some of the people who need your Good Deeds and why they feel the way they do, their motivation, i.e. what's driving them, armchair marketing nerd stuff like that:
The Uninformed
The Hesitant
The FauxPosed
The Opposed
The question is, do you think it might be useful, and if so, should I post it here, or make it a blog?
So totally off topic but I am watching a show I don't ever watch - The Steve Wilkos Show and I am - wow...not even sure what to think. This woman has told this man that he has a child, he's never seen it, she hasn't had time to take a picture, the daycare keeps him, he's at the hospital, he was born on April 1st and then August 1st, she has 2 million dollars but she doesn't want the money and can't access it because she lost her bank card, someone kidnapped the baby at two weeks, she couldn't bring him cause he was sick - something is seriously wrong with this woman 
I am kind of hoping that they actually get in this woman's face and get her some help because I am pretty sure she could be committed.
I have been part of a group for 10 years and we have had our fair share of crazies - we actually had one woman pass herself off as someone else and she successfully did it for 3 years before someone found out everything she said was made up - she didn't even have a baby either and this was a mom's board. Maybe this was that person LOL.
Now that I have had my crazy quota for the year I am going to stress myself out watching the freaking hockey game - it is a beer night for sure!!!
Melanie
I am kind of hoping that they actually get in this woman's face and get her some help because I am pretty sure she could be committed.
I have been part of a group for 10 years and we have had our fair share of crazies - we actually had one woman pass herself off as someone else and she successfully did it for 3 years before someone found out everything she said was made up - she didn't even have a baby either and this was a mom's board.
Maybe this was that person LOL.Now that I have had my crazy quota for the year I am going to stress myself out watching the freaking hockey game - it is a beer night for sure!!!
Melanie
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UK forum, I havent had enough time to snoop yet, but so far its putting freds to shame in the hospitality dept.
Oh please post here. I don't vape but I am so glad that I got to be a part of this place and your wonderful writings. You have been able to make lukewarm coffee flow out of my nose (the pain of which actually reminded me of times I coughed after taking a drag of a cigarette).
However I am selfish and I am sure more people would probably read your blog
Thank you for some good ole belly laughs and a reminder that I have birthed 3 children and really should go to the bathroom before I read anything remotely funny!!!
Melanie
So is hockey an effective substitute for watching sports?
AHAHHAAAAHAHAA!!
I kill myself.
No but seriously, just kidding.
Sometimes I can't help myself though.
Enjoy the hockey game... and the beer!
That sounds like WhyQuit.com. I'm not even going to justify its existence by providing a clickable link. I'm not a fan of "fear mongering" which that place does in spades. It might work for some people, not me.
Nobody here would turn down an opportunity to read a new blog post from you. Why are you still reading this? You should be writing!
I think it would absolutely be useful, and to more than just the Good Deeders. Anyone who reads your blogs might find it useful when approaching a family member, a co-worker or a friend about switching from smoking to notsmoking.
I vote for the blogs, but I +1 with Mel on being selfish and posting here. Maybe if you promise to announce your Good Deeds blogs here before you announce them anywhere else? That might be a nice compromise.
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You can post right away, no silly waiting for an admin-who's-not-really-an-admin to approve it.
The welcome has been overwhelming positive... they even let me post.
And they got awesome smilies!
Well, I sort of wrote it "to" you all, so I guess what I'll do is put it all here, ask people to just please scroll on past it if they get too bored, and then later I'll take the more widely-applicable parts and make it a Tangent Blog.
Here's all I've got so far, I'll do Opposed as soon as I can. (On the blog, I'd also promised to do a Tangent one about Belief, and obviously, there'll be a lot of overlap there, so I guess I'll just keep typing and see what ends up on the page together with all of you. Plus I have that Secret Agenda of hoping you will tell other things I leave out).
A lot of people, in fact most people, will look at anything new with some degree of hestitation, even wariness, hence the term "early adaptor."
So if you look at just your initial experiences with the "sample" of just these two support groups, it's to be expected that the first one will be the more resistant of the two, especially since Other Group Original Recipe is an e-cigarette immigrant. It was born before e-cigarettes.
The The Kinder, Gentler Extra-Crispy group is an e-cigarette native. It's never existed, nor will it ever, in a world where e-cigarettes do not.
That doesn't mean that it won't have members who range from unaware/uninformed to hesitant to frankly opposed to e-cigarettes.
Of those three, the first group is easy cheese. Announce the Glad Tidings, now they're aware, make information and resources available, now they're informed. Good Deed accomplished, yay you!
A healthy chunk of Team Hesitant will also respond to Operation Glad Tidings n' InfoDump.
That would obviously include those whose hesitance is of the simple "don't know much about it" variety.
Some will be hesitant, even to the point of resistance, for reasons we not only understand, but share - Fear of Marketing!
Just from the little bit of hop-skipping** I've done on the two "sample boards," I've seen several instances of people voicing this outright.
Although "viral marketing of the internet forum kind" is a relatively new thing nested into yet another relatively new thing (the internet itself), the arrival of multiple new members bearing Glad Tidings has already established itself as a classic technique employed by entities who are selling something.
It's become so classic, in fact, that our own Serene Management here has spent many a sleepless night developing and implementing strategies to protect us all from it.
In contrast, Good Deeds have established themselves as a rarity, online and offline, on a species-wide basis.
So it's to be expected that another healthy chunk of the population of any community you go to will immediately assume that you're there to sell something.
The bad news is there's not really anything you can do to combat or vanquish that.
The good news is that it's a self-limiting condition. After you're there for a while, openly, blatantly, and consistently not selling anything, most of them will shake their heads in bewilderment and concede that whatever you're doing, you don't seem to be selling anything.
Because that distaste is a virtually universal sentiment, those bewildered head-shakers will include the whole range of opiners on e-cigarettes, from people who are delighted they exist to those who believe they are of Satan.
There's no question that technology has dramatically impacted the typical "arc" of new product acceptance on the part of "mainstream" consumers, and I mean mainstream in the "neither early adapter nor borderline Luddite" sense, nothing to do with demographics.
It's not instant, though. What this means to you is that a lot of people who say they "just don't know much about them" really mean that they're not going to to take "even one puff" of an e-cigarette until they become so ubiquitous and widely used that someone in their circle of friends, colleagues and acquaintances offers them a hit of the one they're notsmoking right there before their very eyes.
(If we were among that person's circle of friends, etc, we'd remember that they didn't have anything even internet connection-inspired until the fin de siècle, when their youngest child came home from school bearing one of those pretty holographic coffee table coasters from AOL, whereupon they proceded to believe AOL was the internet until the company itself finally admitted to its customers and itself that in fact, it wasn't).
The FauxPosed
I have a tendency to want to divide things up in two neat piles, and say it's about either information or belief.
That's a big mistake, because it ignores the very large and vocal group who lives over there on Feeling Street, at the corner of Human Nature Avenue.
In actual fact, the FauxPosed may run the gamut with respect to both information/lack thereof as well as belief, but in actual practice and the immediate present, they're not driven by either, but by emotions.
The Caught-Unawares
Sometimes, people may consider themselves to be a little more Informed and Up-To-Date with things than they really are, and are therefore put a little on the defensive by something that claims to have existed for several years without their having been aware of it.
Their FauxPosition, their driving emotion, is just a little bit of embarrassment, which will go away by itself as they look around and see how many other people are wearing the same color name tag. They just need to do some harrumphing.
I have a special place in my heart for these folks, in a sort of there-but-for-the-grace kind of way, because while there are plenty of young ones, typically they're folks who are a little bit older, and haven't quite gotten used to how much more there is to be aware of and keep up with these days!
Social Butterflies, People-Pleasers, and Old Faithful
Within any group, half of this subgroup will be FauxPosed. They don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other about e-cigarettes, but they do have a strong affinity, sense of affiliation, pre-existing comradeship, or simple desire to be "socially accepted" by one or more people who are Opposed, so they go sit by them.
The other half, of course, will be FauxPro, and they'll go sit by you!
The Righteously Indignant
e-cigarettes are new, so there are plenty of people who, at great personal cost, managed to stop smoking before e-cigarettes were available - or worse, were available but neither they nor their Shaman knew about them, or worst of all, those who had Shamans who knew but deliberately witheld the information - and they're .......
After all they went through, here they are sweating out their one day at a time lifelong not one puff struggle, in their support group, which is supposed to be their safe and happy place, and in stomps a gang of young turks announcing that nobody needs to suffer like that any more, here, just have one of these. YumYumGood, huh?
This group is driven by extremely strong - and understandable - feelings, from resentment to envy to sheer rage.
They feel ripped off and deceived, ill-used, passed over and generally stomped on, and they have every right to feel all those things.
These are the people who, in the freshness of their grief, are most liable to say things that hurt our feelings - those "trigger" things that invoke our worst fears about the scariest element of humankind, and gets into primal stuff that has jackpiddle to do with smoking or e-cigarettes.
They may make the loudest noises of all, but in reality, they're so FauxPosed. If they'd had the opportunity, they'd be you right now, scampering around the internet doing Good Deeds while contentedly notsmoking their electric hookah-doodles.
They aren't bad people, just hurt and angry ones. Once their grief subsides, and their rage gives way to their true nature, they WILL be you.
As people of goodwill, they'll be just as eager as you are to see people everywhere reap the benefits of this blessing.
Next: The Real Opposed: Belief is Their Co-Pilot
** I have a hard time understanding how the other boards do conversations, processing the visual picture and relating the boxes to each other, so any and all text strings I pull out of there are liable to be entirely unburdened by context.
Here's all I've got so far, I'll do Opposed as soon as I can. (On the blog, I'd also promised to do a Tangent one about Belief, and obviously, there'll be a lot of overlap there, so I guess I'll just keep typing and see what ends up on the page together with all of you. Plus I have that Secret Agenda of hoping you will tell other things I leave out).
A lot of people, in fact most people, will look at anything new with some degree of hestitation, even wariness, hence the term "early adaptor."
So if you look at just your initial experiences with the "sample" of just these two support groups, it's to be expected that the first one will be the more resistant of the two, especially since Other Group Original Recipe is an e-cigarette immigrant. It was born before e-cigarettes.
The The Kinder, Gentler Extra-Crispy group is an e-cigarette native. It's never existed, nor will it ever, in a world where e-cigarettes do not.
That doesn't mean that it won't have members who range from unaware/uninformed to hesitant to frankly opposed to e-cigarettes.
Of those three, the first group is easy cheese. Announce the Glad Tidings, now they're aware, make information and resources available, now they're informed. Good Deed accomplished, yay you!
A healthy chunk of Team Hesitant will also respond to Operation Glad Tidings n' InfoDump.
That would obviously include those whose hesitance is of the simple "don't know much about it" variety.
Some will be hesitant, even to the point of resistance, for reasons we not only understand, but share - Fear of Marketing!
Just from the little bit of hop-skipping** I've done on the two "sample boards," I've seen several instances of people voicing this outright.
Although "viral marketing of the internet forum kind" is a relatively new thing nested into yet another relatively new thing (the internet itself), the arrival of multiple new members bearing Glad Tidings has already established itself as a classic technique employed by entities who are selling something.
It's become so classic, in fact, that our own Serene Management here has spent many a sleepless night developing and implementing strategies to protect us all from it.
In contrast, Good Deeds have established themselves as a rarity, online and offline, on a species-wide basis.
So it's to be expected that another healthy chunk of the population of any community you go to will immediately assume that you're there to sell something.
The bad news is there's not really anything you can do to combat or vanquish that.
The good news is that it's a self-limiting condition. After you're there for a while, openly, blatantly, and consistently not selling anything, most of them will shake their heads in bewilderment and concede that whatever you're doing, you don't seem to be selling anything.
Because that distaste is a virtually universal sentiment, those bewildered head-shakers will include the whole range of opiners on e-cigarettes, from people who are delighted they exist to those who believe they are of Satan.
There's no question that technology has dramatically impacted the typical "arc" of new product acceptance on the part of "mainstream" consumers, and I mean mainstream in the "neither early adapter nor borderline Luddite" sense, nothing to do with demographics.
It's not instant, though. What this means to you is that a lot of people who say they "just don't know much about them" really mean that they're not going to to take "even one puff" of an e-cigarette until they become so ubiquitous and widely used that someone in their circle of friends, colleagues and acquaintances offers them a hit of the one they're notsmoking right there before their very eyes.
(If we were among that person's circle of friends, etc, we'd remember that they didn't have anything even internet connection-inspired until the fin de siècle, when their youngest child came home from school bearing one of those pretty holographic coffee table coasters from AOL, whereupon they proceded to believe AOL was the internet until the company itself finally admitted to its customers and itself that in fact, it wasn't).
The FauxPosed
I have a tendency to want to divide things up in two neat piles, and say it's about either information or belief.
That's a big mistake, because it ignores the very large and vocal group who lives over there on Feeling Street, at the corner of Human Nature Avenue.
In actual fact, the FauxPosed may run the gamut with respect to both information/lack thereof as well as belief, but in actual practice and the immediate present, they're not driven by either, but by emotions.
The Caught-Unawares
Sometimes, people may consider themselves to be a little more Informed and Up-To-Date with things than they really are, and are therefore put a little on the defensive by something that claims to have existed for several years without their having been aware of it.
Their FauxPosition, their driving emotion, is just a little bit of embarrassment, which will go away by itself as they look around and see how many other people are wearing the same color name tag. They just need to do some harrumphing.
I have a special place in my heart for these folks, in a sort of there-but-for-the-grace kind of way, because while there are plenty of young ones, typically they're folks who are a little bit older, and haven't quite gotten used to how much more there is to be aware of and keep up with these days!
Social Butterflies, People-Pleasers, and Old Faithful
Within any group, half of this subgroup will be FauxPosed. They don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other about e-cigarettes, but they do have a strong affinity, sense of affiliation, pre-existing comradeship, or simple desire to be "socially accepted" by one or more people who are Opposed, so they go sit by them.
The other half, of course, will be FauxPro, and they'll go sit by you!
The Righteously Indignant
e-cigarettes are new, so there are plenty of people who, at great personal cost, managed to stop smoking before e-cigarettes were available - or worse, were available but neither they nor their Shaman knew about them, or worst of all, those who had Shamans who knew but deliberately witheld the information - and they're .......
After all they went through, here they are sweating out their one day at a time lifelong not one puff struggle, in their support group, which is supposed to be their safe and happy place, and in stomps a gang of young turks announcing that nobody needs to suffer like that any more, here, just have one of these. YumYumGood, huh?
This group is driven by extremely strong - and understandable - feelings, from resentment to envy to sheer rage.
They feel ripped off and deceived, ill-used, passed over and generally stomped on, and they have every right to feel all those things.
These are the people who, in the freshness of their grief, are most liable to say things that hurt our feelings - those "trigger" things that invoke our worst fears about the scariest element of humankind, and gets into primal stuff that has jackpiddle to do with smoking or e-cigarettes.
They may make the loudest noises of all, but in reality, they're so FauxPosed. If they'd had the opportunity, they'd be you right now, scampering around the internet doing Good Deeds while contentedly notsmoking their electric hookah-doodles.
They aren't bad people, just hurt and angry ones. Once their grief subsides, and their rage gives way to their true nature, they WILL be you.
As people of goodwill, they'll be just as eager as you are to see people everywhere reap the benefits of this blessing.
Next: The Real Opposed: Belief is Their Co-Pilot
** I have a hard time understanding how the other boards do conversations, processing the visual picture and relating the boxes to each other, so any and all text strings I pull out of there are liable to be entirely unburdened by context.
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No you will like the british board cause they DO POLICE their board unlike Fred who ignores alot.
the main reason the British board is different then the Q board is their's a real moderator & everyone is treated equal whether a newbie or 10 yr quitter-like theirs not a pecking order plus its a smaller friendlier group.
You sillies... Give Mel the link to lol's blog.... Its a crime for her to miss out on any of our dear lady's eloquent entries.... lol I didn't read your post yet I felt the need to address this real quick and then I have to help someone with a support issue.
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HEY! How on earth did I miss the last two blogrants? Cool, now I have some reading to do. Be back in a bit guys!
lol I'll have to read it again but it doesn't appear you left any stone unturned. Of course this time of day my concentration is not at its height... I will reread it in the wee hours when all is calm and see if I can think of anything to add.
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