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I'm not so sure that's something to be proud of, but you're right, a lot of jello is consumed here. They also like to add additional foodstuffs to the jello. Like peas or carrots for instance. Another local dish is something they call "Dumpster Salad". It's a combination of Cool Whip, Jello, cottage cheese and fruit.
I would also suspect Jello shots might play a role in that.
People wouldn't dream of tainting Jello with alcohol here.
anybody heard of Ewan Dobson if not google Paganini_s Hip with his name...and crank the volume...
unless you don't like guitar...
unless you don't like guitar...
No such thing as lime Jello... Jello flavors are like Kool-Aid flavors. Red, Blue, Green, etc.
Pet peeve rant -
I hate it when people create color coded charts that have similar colors. I'm colorblind.
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I hate it when people create color coded charts that have similar colors. I'm colorblind.
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I'm seeing something else altogether, but since this is a family show.........
I'm not a fan of CE2s in general but their latest batch to me had nothing unusually wrong with it. It's the large order I placed solely on their assurances that included the Vortex, Giantomizer, and Diamond duallies that turned me off. And their response to me not unlike the way they respond in the thread.
I'll get CE3s, just not from GotVapes. Somebody who actually listens to a customer after the customer goes down a losing road base don their assurances. -Magnus
We shouldn't have to. If I want to build up my own cartos, I shouldn't be replacing the most basic elements. Seriously... think about it. The components that are supposed to hold liquid really really shouldn't need ~any~ upgrading. -Magnus
It might not matter much longer anymore.... vultures were gathering around me in the woods today.
I better brush up the will.. -Magnus
I better brush up the will.. -Magnus
Really somehow I don't think so...You have a little one to protect...and nurture...
as to the upgrading...well I do what I must to have the best vaping experience I can...and this is a relatively new technology...well unless you count the original patent...
I do agree though they should have picked a better tubing material...
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I guess I may be a bit less jaded on CE2s in general than many earlier adopters.... I waited a very long time before trying them a couple months ago, so it seems like most (but definitely not all) of the problems had been either resolved or well on their way to being resolved. Still, the first batches I bought cracked and leaked, and needed some tweaking of the seal to get them wicking right. Once they did, they were at least comparable if not better than the Boge 808s I switched from. My cartomizer budget has dropped to almost nothing due to their longevity.
The last box I got (ordered on the last restock) are even better. Great performance right out of the box, and phenomenal vapor and taste, much more so than last batch.
I haven't tried the Vortex. I waited long enough to see that there were too many problems, so I decided to wait. I'm very glad I did. I'm too used to vendors that will make it right no matter what to have to jump through hoops to get acceptable customer support.
I agree with you 100%, though... GV does badly need to work on how they address complaints.
Agree with this also... I want plug and play, I don't want to muck around modding or tweaking to correct a design flaw. I found as easy fix for the cracking tubes, but that was as far as I wanted to take it. I tried the syringe fix... didn't like it, it had a plastic taste that I couldn't get rid of. The new thicker tubes seem to be more rugged (though still exhibit some small cracks), and I bought spares this time.
I'd be interested in hearing of other good sources for the CE3s when they are available.
Every industry and technology should accommodate the casual user through the hacker. The danger of swinging too far in any direction is that it will become over-commoditized and then innovation and progress will be stifled. And contrary to ECF, the industry is dominated by the casual items which are, and this isn't a stretch, utter garbage. In response we've got this whole segment which goes wayyyyy into the custom market because it has to.
There is an in-between and that's the market the vendors are supposed to occupy.
This could've been invented yesterday and I still say that HOLDING LIQUID would be the easiest possible thing to ensure you get right. It almost feels like they're pushing in chips based on the idea that addicts will buy any dung pile of products anyway. And judging by the money "we" burn through..... they may be onto something.
In terms of what ~I~ will do? It's different for everyone. I hack everything that gives me something that I find interesting. And to be honest, I find nothing interesting in a slightly better vaping experience. I like the art aspects of it but that's about it. I'm too busy building new radios, writing new software for SDRs, developing new locks and stacking systems, building my Maltego stack, etc.
So where does that leave a user like me? Frustrated......
Hold me. *sniffle* -Magnus
Think about that in another context.... analogs are accurate and precise. And cheaper in their accuracy and precision.
If we're to bring the switchers entry by troops, we need to do a lot better than where the CE2s and G4s leave us today. A lot better. Or always be stuck on the Boges. -Magnus
If we're to bring the switchers entry by troops, we need to do a lot better than where the CE2s and G4s leave us today. A lot better. Or always be stuck on the Boges. -Magnus
While I agree with you in principle, eCigarettes as an industry is still essentially in its infancy. Analogs are extremely simple and really haven't changed much. I'm not sure I would call them "accurate and precise" though. I think "simple and effective" is more applicable. I expect vaping and its various methods and accessories will get better and simpler in due time.
I feel inclined to chime in here.....
CE2s (among other things in this area and in my RC hobby) are one of many things that I will try as a "beta" customer/consumer. It really is the nature of the business, especially when dealing with overseas manufacturers. To say that the consumer will pay for something as an early adopter when more time can be spent development, is partially true. This is specifically at the whim of the leaders of businesses (not the eventual vendors) that actually design and produce these items (and others). It pays dividends to release an item prior to full testing and evaluation when the product may only get minor adjustments later in the development cycle or on a different baseline. It sucks being a consumer on the receiving end, but people do it, they keep buying.
I see it with RC batteries, helicopter components, car components, vaping, etc. I'm a field rep for an American helicopter company and I see it in our product line, specifically because it's machined overseas. The risk is, 20-40% (maybe as much as 60%) of the initial product line that fails or receives an unfavorable consumer viewing, the delta has little to no problems. That delta, perhaps the whole 100%, funds the continued operation and development. People will keep buying the "latest, greatest" whether they are satisfied with the previous version or not. There is a small percentage that will stop buying those "new versions", but the statistics behind it support that early release to market when a competitor might come to market with the same or similar item. This is especially true when dealing with overseas manufacturers. They copy everything, even amongst themselves.
CE2s (among other things in this area and in my RC hobby) are one of many things that I will try as a "beta" customer/consumer. It really is the nature of the business, especially when dealing with overseas manufacturers. To say that the consumer will pay for something as an early adopter when more time can be spent development, is partially true. This is specifically at the whim of the leaders of businesses (not the eventual vendors) that actually design and produce these items (and others). It pays dividends to release an item prior to full testing and evaluation when the product may only get minor adjustments later in the development cycle or on a different baseline. It sucks being a consumer on the receiving end, but people do it, they keep buying.
I see it with RC batteries, helicopter components, car components, vaping, etc. I'm a field rep for an American helicopter company and I see it in our product line, specifically because it's machined overseas. The risk is, 20-40% (maybe as much as 60%) of the initial product line that fails or receives an unfavorable consumer viewing, the delta has little to no problems. That delta, perhaps the whole 100%, funds the continued operation and development. People will keep buying the "latest, greatest" whether they are satisfied with the previous version or not. There is a small percentage that will stop buying those "new versions", but the statistics behind it support that early release to market when a competitor might come to market with the same or similar item. This is especially true when dealing with overseas manufacturers. They copy everything, even amongst themselves.
I agree with you, Randy, MadMac, and Nate with the one glaring exception.... I could get over the coils burning out too fast. Problems with the wicks and the dry-burn and fluffing. I can get over strange mouthpiece issues.
LEAKING?!??!!!
That's just plain irresponsible and why I keep citing that example again and again. Cracking right behind it. We're talking about the simplest possible thing there. And if like the GotVapes and COV threads have noted, they have them for six months, then I'm very much upset at the vendors too.
We're early in the industry cycle but if we don't fix one problem without introducing three others, we'll never get out of it.
And Clay, while you're example w/ RC is interesting, it's not the same sort of industry nor situation. The reason I brought this up in the 'Switching' thread is because I consider these QC issues to be a severe detriment to the industry right ~now~ while you're trying to bring swarms of people over. Especially before it's over-legislated. People won't fight for their vaping fights in mass if the vaping experience spills all over them or blows up in their faces. ;-)
Point taken, in partial agreement w/ the four of you... -Magnus
The analogy is the mass production being done in China along with the design development. Even if design development is done here and passed in advance to the production facilities, those facilities tend to produce them if they think the product is viable (even in the uncompleted design form). Doesn't matter if it's e-cig stuff, rc stuff, coffee makers, vacuum cleaners, etc. All industries see products come to market that have faults, consumer reporting websites are full of them. My point was, it's not specific to this industry/market.
I agree with you though, it's especially damaging to this particular market because of it's high-profile and current political/sociological issues. The risk is to the people that are currently in it, or those that don't want to die from smoking cigarettes and other options aren't working for them.
I agree with you though, it's especially damaging to this particular market because of it's high-profile and current political/sociological issues. The risk is to the people that are currently in it, or those that don't want to die from smoking cigarettes and other options aren't working for them.
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