E-Cigarette Forum Discussion Thread

[MadmanMacguyver]

Nite CB...

and on a sad note Raidy the designer of the genesis atty has currently withdrawn his participation from the modders forum........a few unscrupulus types in other countries were possibly profiting from his design and he was harped on for voicing his displeasure...Hmm and people wonder why I haven't thrown out my designs open source yet...I still intend to do so but I will not tolerate abuse or theft of MY work...If someone wants to build off what I have made later more power to them...but What I have done is my creation just as his was done by him...let alone his was a stunning breakthru for PV technology...

/mini rant off

 

[cigarbabe]

Unfecking real.
Ugh ignorance abounds even here.
That is really unfortunate MMCGee could you post a link to that thread please the one posted is dead hun.
I'm going to be reading through every page I'm up to six now but I will also be reading through Raidy's whole thread to see what happened and where.
I really dislike stealing, whether intellectual or otherwise it is just bad business.
I don't know what happened there but doesn't "open source" typically mean the idea is for your own "personal use" not the outright theft of the blueprint {or idea} for sale or merchandise?
I do believe that you know what went on in the thread so give my condolences to "Raidy" please.
ahh geez......
C.B.

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

MCgee...ok I know I'm kinda homely lookin but mcgee....LOL

 

[phonedude]

At least it wasn't Mr Magoo

 

[LibertariaNate]

That's a potential problem and benefit with open source. It's not stealing if you're given the "source code" and you use it another project. Credit should be given where credit is due, but that's not always a requirement for open source.

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

That's a potential problem and benefit with open source. It's not stealing if you're given the "source code" and you use it another project. Credit should be given where credit is due, but that's not always a requirement for open source.

I agree...but some things in life are just so wrong...not to say life is fair...if it was I would be in a research facility building the next innovative power system for the world...instead of in my living room pining away for parts

 

[phonedude]

I read that thread yesterday. Pretty sad business.

 

[MagnusEunson]

That's a potential problem and benefit with open source. It's not stealing if you're given the "source code" and you use it another project. Credit should be given where credit is due, but that's not always a requirement for open source.

Correction: It's ALWAYS a REQUIREMENT. It's not always honored. And that is why some people pay greatly in their indiscretions. Like say:

This Chess Program Cheated And Got Caught

-Magnus

 

[MagnusEunson]

and on a sad note Raidy the designer of the genesis atty has currently withdrawn his participation from the modders forum.......

I'm not at all following where this is ~now~. Raidy posted what seems to be a 'have at it' post in the G-Tank thread but I think it was meant to be snarky. I can't tell. Nor do I understand how hard it would have been to credit the obvious design IN THE SAME FORUM that you're basing your work on. It's a MODDERS forum for bloody sin sake. That to me wreaks of dishonesty and AGGRESSION.

Oh well. We can all just self-destruct while big pharma, the FDA, and UL slowly creep up on us. -Magnus

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

I wish I could CB but beyond going and posting in the German forum I doubt my comments will be noticed...I was not there at the beginning...and I am a simple modder with no great works to my name as of yet...and unless some nice benefactor comes along...that isn't very likely...I'm so on the fence about providing what I have done to be stripped and sold cheaply and without adequate safeguards...leading me to the point of now studying to find a hardware solution to protect what I have built...short of making a self frying circuit a la Battlefield Earth (the teleporters control panels in the books) I have no means I find acceptable...and that is SF non existent tech as of yet...

 

[LibertariaNate]

Correction: It's ALWAYS a REQUIREMENT. It's not always honored. And that is why some people pay greatly in their indiscretions. Like say:

This Chess Program Cheated And Got Caught

-Magnus

From Wiki:

An open-source license is a copyright license for computer software that makes the source code available for everyone to use. This allows end users to review and modify the source code for their own customization and/or troubleshooting needs. Open-source licenses are also commonly free, allowing for modification, redistribution, and commercial use without having to pay the original author. Some open-source licenses only permit modification of the source code for personal use or only permit non-commercial redistribution. All such licenses usually have additional restrictions such as a requirement to preserve the name of the authors and a copyright statement within the code. One popular set of free open-source software licenses are those approved by the Open Source Initiative (OSI) based on their Open Source Definition (OSD).

Emphasis mine.

Just because it usually is a requirement, does not mean it is always a requirement. Regardless, we're just fighting over semantics. If I use open source code, I always acknowledge the original creator. And no, by "original creator", I do not mean God.

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

Just because it usually is a requirement, does not mean it is always a requirement. Regardless, we're just fighting over semantics. If I use open source code, I always acknowledge the original creator. And no, by "original creator", I do not mean God.

LOL but he made it all...We are just discovering the rules already in place for eternity.....so technically previous art IS A JOKE ON US!!!

 

[MagnusEunson]

Just because it usually is a requirement, does not mean it is always a requirement. Regardless, we're just fighting over semantics. If I use open source code, I always acknowledge the original creator. And no, by "original creator", I do not mean God.

I'm sorry, I still disagree. The OSI (Mission | Open Source Initiative) has repeatedly rejected licenses as incompatible when non-attribution is a requirement or an option. Going so far as saying that the BSD-like licenses that provided that option for a fee could not be used in other requirements where another compatible license was being used due to code-intermingling.

I do agree with what you emphasized though. That's part of the Android headers controversy of a few months back. Some licenses don't require the ~code~ or the debug binaries output headers to carry any attribution. They can be sanitized in numerous ways. They however do require a general attribution attempt be made at distribution time.

Lets assume that I'm completely wrong though... lets go with that. It just means this problem, within the same forum, within a few posts of each other, was about as slimy as you can get. Slimy isn't against the license or law necessarily. Or DC would be a lonely place. -Magnus

 

[MagnusEunson]

Which, BTW, the model of providing a non-attribution license for a fee is actually quite profitable for the few who have done it discretely. For some reason when the "community" finds out the "How dare thou!" arguments go wild. Which is beyond me, as if making any bread from your labor is a crime now. Commies. ;-) -Magnus

 

[LibertariaNate]

Code, projects, recipes, etc. can all be distributed outside of the purvey of OSI. Let them reject whatever license agreements they see fit. It makes ZERO difference to me.

I can say, "Hey Magnus, check out this really cool function I just wrote to compare the similarity of two addresses." Let's say I posted the code here without any sort of license. Everyone with a browser can see it or use it. Maybe they make it better and re-post it. Maybe they just use it for their own purposes. Maybe they use it in their own product and sell it to others. I gave it away. I can't act all ....-hurt when I realize others are using my "intellectual property" that I did not protect. Actually, I can, but I have no legal recourse. Tough beans for me. Next time, I won't be so eager to share my ideas.

I think that's where the modding community here has a problem. I'm all for the open exchange of ideas, but if it's something you want to make money on, think long and hard before you post it on an open forum.

 

[MagnusEunson]

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

LOL...actually thats another argument but we shant go into that here...it would go badly case in point several closed threads...

How bout them cowboys...

 

[DC2]

and on a sad note Raidy the designer of the genesis atty has currently withdrawn his participation from the modders forum........a few unscrupulus types in other countries were possibly profiting from his design

Who didn't see that coming from a mile away?

 

[MadmanMacguyver]

Yes I had concerns as soon as I saw them going for an arm on the classys...

 

[DC2]

Yes I had concerns as soon as I saw them going for an arm on the classys...

I remember when Raidy first said that he didn't want anyone using his ideas for profit.
I thought, wow, for such a bright guy, that is awfully naive.