Beth, you're being totally oversensitive to comments that aren't even being directed at you.
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But Kirstin! BUT KRISTIN! Why do you encourage driving or sex!!! OMFG somebody get her off this board! She is encouraging driving and sex!!! ACK!!!!
Your argument, while I entirely agree, isn't within the norms Fred stated. What bugs me most is that those rules are still being utterly ignored even when ECF members talk about the eventual cessation of nicotine. -Magnus
That makes no sense, Beth. In one breath you say you don't agree that some don't want to quit and in the next breath you admit that you didn't want to quit at first, either.
The folks at QSMB are the minority of smokers who WANT to quit because they want to be free of addiction. The majority of smokers want to quit - meaning they don't want to die from smoking. Of people who try to quit, only 7% - 10% will succeed. Survey those people and I guarantee most will be folks like at QSMB - they hated being slaves to addiction and were determined to quit. The other 90% don't have that motivation. Most actually enjoy smoking and only try to quit for family or because someone (like a doctor) told them to or because they logically know that they SHOULD quit. It's the same reason why most people have trouble losing weight. We KNOW we should diet, but we enjoy that Chunky Monkey too much. It'd be easier to lose weight if the only thing that made you fat was Chunky Monkey and you suddenly find you can't stand the taste of bananas anymore. For others it takes sheer willpower to deny yourself something you enjoy - or you find a lowfat alternative that comes close or maybe you enjoy even more than the Chunky Monkey.
Holy synchronicity, Batman! I just posted a mini-rant about that very thing, kindasortically.
My impression was that the Quitistas owner was just sort of doing the Queen at Diana's funeral, and bowing to the reality - there's a new technology available, that can be used as a nicotine replacement vehicle, an alternative to smoking, or both.
It's not the first, it won't be the last, it's just another one, and from what we know, it does seem to be very effective at helping people reduce or phase out tobacco cigarettes.
BUT - and this is a big one - that's ALL it does. It does not address any belief systems, emotional or spiritual needs, or changing the kind of person one is, so it's not going to be the best choice for every single person.
I'm sure you know that there are communities who wouldn't feel at home on your board because they have a belief-based opposition to the use of any kind of nicotine replacement at all, ever, as well as to medications - like Wellbrutin!
As each new thing has come out, it's impacted communities, - and each person in each community, even before the internet has had to decide for themselves whether and to what extent every new technology or gadget is in accord with their beliefs, at variance with them - or that good old moral neutral!
Each one has presented its own set of questions in that regard - for example, a group with a strong faith-based focus might feel that the use of medications to seek help in ceasing to do something that they believe is simply morally wrong, merely adds another sin onto the smokers already maxed out account!
Another might consider the medications OK, but draw the line at nicotine replacement - not because they believe nicotine is harmful, but because they believe that one should not try to get out of the suffering of withdrawal, but accept it as punishment for having been a smoker!
e-cigarettes present a new angle - continue to enjoy everything you liked about smoking without harming yourself or others!
Now that's fine for some people - but to someone who believes enjoyment is something that should be reserved for spiritual activities like prayer, not sensual pleasure, it's not fine at all - but that same person might have no problem with nicotine replacement or Wellbrutin, because the smoker still has to renounce the pleasure and battle the desire for it forever!
So, you've asked a very good question, but there's just not going to be a one size fits all answer!
Exactly! For you, it was about an attitude. For me, it's not. I like smoking, I'm fine with that attitude. I've been praying for an easy out for decades, and I'm so thankful that finally this miracle has arrived!
I'm enjoying my e-cigarettes, really enjoying them, in ways that I never enjoyed Marlboros, not in 50 years!
And for me, for my beliefs, that couldn't be a better fit!
Business is business. The companies take care of their interests, no argument from me there, we can count on them to do whatever will maximize profits. That means taking care of our own interests is up to us!
I told you before, if I were in your situation, I would totally resent having had to suffer like you did, and feel like I had been totally ripped off - I would be out there howling where were these things when I needed them most?
And especially if I was still suffering from an addiction to something that wasn't even a substance, you know what I'd do?
I'd get me one!
Did you ever ask your Dr if you could have one with no nicotine in it? Maybe violet flavor?
Some people truly don't want to quit, I know when I had my heart attack & they said quit or else I basically wished I would of died-thats how much I didn't want to quit & fought it for a long time then got to the point of wherel the drs. aren't going to let me smoke & for sure none offered me the out as to using e cigs so I threw in the towel & quit & yeah theirs days still when I'd love to have one but I know it wouldn't be one or two but who knows after 10 months-but I don't want to see if I'm stronger then smokes.
I haven't seen my dr. yet-in another 2 wks & since he's a young guy I plan on asking him-it would be funny to see a look of panic on his face-he's such a goober he'd think i was going to smoke again. Hopefully with 10 months free he'll be impressed this time-I can wish for that ole attaboy haha.
Well, if you think that an e-cigarette might make you want a tobacco one, you should certainly not take that chance, and only you know whether that's really a possibility or something to be concerned about.
Personally, I think especially if you had something that was not even remotely tobacco flavored, the experience is so vastly superior to tobacco cigarettes, I can't imagine anybody who had managed to get un addicted from them wanting one, I know that sounds crazy, because I'm still very much in the early stages of the transition, I can tell you that what's started to happen to me is I'll feel I must have a Marlboro, I'll light one, hit it a couple of times, and actively desire my better-tasting electric hookah-doodle!
They tell me this is how it starts, for people with long, long, time as extreme smoker, that the frequency of that will increase gradually. It's a weird feeling, that's all I can say about it at this point! But weird in a good way!
I think we all want to see you be stronger than the smokes, too, Beth, so what is the argument?
Sometimes with all the reading I've done I've wondered what trying it would do & basically have decided if I was to throw in the towel trying an e cig would be better then a marboro but right now no. I know if this would of been offered 2 yrs ago I would of jumped on it-after all a way to smoke but not-cool deal. Unfortunely my dr. didn't give me an out & it could be besides the heart attack I ended up with 3 stents-so who knows. Just like with having to quit I just need to add getting this as an out an idea to let go of.
For years I wondered if my doctor telling me I HAD to quit would be enough to make me do it. Of course he urged it. I would go (almost every winter) unable to breathe and coughing so hard I had broken my rib (twice). And his first question would be "do you still smoke" which is silly because how could he not smell it on me? And he would frown and write me some silly NRT prescription that I would not get filled.
But if he had told me it was quit or die I actually wondered what I would do. Even though it should be a "no brainer." But I knew how little success I had with quitting in the past.
So I'm glad I found this magic wand method before that was necessary. I think it was only a matter of time. And I know I've mentioned it before but I stopped coughing almost immediately. In a few days.
So am I a proponent of these little wonders. You bet.
But if he had told me it was quit or die I actually wondered what I would do. Even though it should be a "no brainer." But I knew how little success I had with quitting in the past.
So I'm glad I found this magic wand method before that was necessary. I think it was only a matter of time. And I know I've mentioned it before but I stopped coughing almost immediately. In a few days.
So am I a proponent of these little wonders. You bet.
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Sorry beth, your just resentful you were essentially forced to quite. You have a bad case of pv envy. And unfortunately, I can understand that. I'd be ...... too, but wouldnt wanna step back either. I can understand the resentment.
But even with all that, why you gotta be raggin' on us just becuase we DIDNT get a raw deal with our quites?
But even with all that, why you gotta be raggin' on us just becuase we DIDNT get a raw deal with our quites?
Well thats pretty stupid don't you think-why would I wish anything as bad as a heart attack to supposely force others to quit with no choice-I've had people say to me when I first wouldn't quit well if that happened to me and I'd just laugh & say yeah right-no one knows till it hapens. Do I resent not being told of e cigs by my dr. you bet i do will they change I doubt it after all like what you all say about the big phams-why would they give a person a possible real out-what profit is there in that. But I think that was pretty mean/rude implying I'd wish some near death experience so others would be forced to quit-Jesus thats nasty.
No, nothing like it. Or even imply it.
How can you possibly think he did?
Or would?
Cheers
Not at the same time I hope, that would be worse than dripping and driving.
No, what chief is trying to say, is he sees where you're coming from, and he'd be upset too. What he doesn't understand is why you seem to want to give the people that had an easier time quitting a hard time for it.
Halsey
I get the feeling that she doesn't mean to rag on us, it just comes out that way in her frustration.
How'd you figure that??? I get envious for those who have an easy quit but I figure its all in your attitude-if you think its going to be hard (suck) then yeah it could be-you want to be free & can embrace being free then those are the lucky ones. Thats like when I first was trying to quit I'd get jealous of anyone with more then 6 months & thats mostly cause I didn't understand what it meant to really quit-sure its sort as simple as never lighting up again but not. Just like since my 8th month on my attitude has done another change for the good where instead of whinning how much quitting sucks I try to give a ray to hope to those starting out. My big hope was to help others having to quit due to a heart attack or whatever after having gone that route. Sometimes reading how happy you guys are makes me wish I could be doing an e cig but I guess having gone this far to just stay the course but knowing down the road their is ways around smoking & the damge that comes with it should I choose to go there.
I don't mean to rag but this is how I try to understand stuff-by writing what I don't get or whatever.
Since Kristen (sic) isn't around by the looks of it, could somebody nip over to there (sic) Q board and point out that Kristin is a vender (sic) of pretty little boxes that more folk appear to buy to keep their tampons and contact lenses in than to store their e-cigs.
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