How do you figure that?? the way I understand it is its addictive & deadly,yet I figure its what made smoking "fun"?
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How do you figure that?? the way I understand it is its addictive & deadly,yet I figure its what made smoking "fun"?
I take it that remark about me (greenlover) was some subtle slam???
We want information...who are you?...the new #2.....Who is #1?...You are #6.....
I am not a number!! I am a free man!!!....
muahahahahaha!!!!
Here comes another day of Q&A for me...no fun...
so Magnus...hows life?
Great hobotivo...from your post I am to assume the hairdresser travels...If he switches a good many people may be saved from the perils of cigs...Good job sir...Absolutely smashing!!!
I am not a number!! I am a free man!!!....
muahahahahaha!!!!
Here comes another day of Q&A for me...no fun...
so Magnus...hows life?
Great hobotivo...from your post I am to assume the hairdresser travels...If he switches a good many people may be saved from the perils of cigs...Good job sir...Absolutely smashing!!!
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Beth the nicotine in and of itself has nothing to do with making smoking enjoyable for all.
I think it is the social aspect that plays a huge role in smoking personally.
Is it addictive for all people?
I don't think so but the chemicals which are added to cigs most certainly are.
Not for nothing but when your doctor told you to quit you did have access to a computer yet you didn't research an alternate route for quitting you just took that advice and accepted it as fact.
My doctors told me the exact same thing.
For me that's the difference between us, I don't accept anything unless I have experienced it and/or well researched what someone is alleging is "truth".
C.B.
I think it is the social aspect that plays a huge role in smoking personally.
Is it addictive for all people?
I don't think so but the chemicals which are added to cigs most certainly are.
Not for nothing but when your doctor told you to quit you did have access to a computer yet you didn't research an alternate route for quitting you just took that advice and accepted it as fact.
My doctors told me the exact same thing.
For me that's the difference between us, I don't accept anything unless I have experienced it and/or well researched what someone is alleging is "truth".
C.B.
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I'm on zero nic most of the day...that was Jan when I switched so ummm its not the nic so much for me...
Hi CB!!!
Hi CB!!!
Hey there MMCGee!
I'm glad to see you're feeling better darlin'!
I'm off to bed again!
Seeya' a little later on veeples!
C.B.
Beth the nicotine in and of itself has nothing to do with making smoking enjoyable for all.
I think it is the social aspect that plays a huge role in smoking personally.
Is it addictive for all people?
I don't think so but the chemicals which are added to cigs most certainly are.
Not for nothing but when your doctor told you to quit you did have access to a computer yet you didn't research an alternate route for quitting you just took that advice and accepted it as fact.
My doctors told me the exact same thing.
For me that's the difference between us, I don't accept anything unless I have experienced it and/or well researched what someone is alleging is "truth".
C.B.
No I only use a computer at work & knew & had tried just about every NRT there is-so I just quit & then in July 09 before getting 2 more stents I found the Q quit site, I don't just blindly accept or believe anything that Drs. say & figured they saw this heart attack as the golden chance to get me to quit finally. As it stands right now my Cardio Dr. hasn't been encouraging at all about quitting-just tells me to try & stay quit as long as a can & last january didn't know anything about E cigs & the dr. figured well I quit the hard way maybe I will magically stay quit or whatever. But yeah I see my regular dr. in a few wks so I plan on asking him in hopes since he's younger he may say something postive about that as a quit method or as a way to smoke once again.
Did you end up getting the MadVapes DK? or from somewhere else? Still have yet to try DK and already 5.5 months into this deal...
a pretty cheezy chat program...crippleware...all the good options like global ban and multiple video windows ar disabled unless you pay exorbant sums of money....
@ nate...I'll be willing to try the bacon...I obviously have the pizza already...unless you have something other than TPA(flavor apprentice)
I will probably not be on much today...Have a bad migraine...trying to wait it out...my lighted kbd is dead so I can't turn off lights and type so I simply kill the screen and avoid the temptation to turn on lights...
have a nice day all...
I feel for you Mac, my wife gets the debilitating migraines every other week. Good regimen of coffee and naproxen stave it off most of the time (if she sees the initial triggers right away), but only thing that works for her is narcotics (codeine in Tylenol-3), which is a PITA to get & keep around because of all the docs thinking you are a druggie. Most times she does without.
I use Excedrin Migraine for mine, that works most of the time. On the really bad days, I have a Rx for Maxalt. It usually works in about 20 minutes, usually. It doesn't eliminate the migraine completely, but it does dull it to a manageable level.
Opiates aren't viable for me since I've built up a resistance to them over the years of back and knee pain/surgeries. Three shots of dilaudid is usually what works, most people only require one. Normally 10mg of perco or oxy is enough for most people, I take 5x that. That should put things into perspective.
Opiates aren't viable for me since I've built up a resistance to them over the years of back and knee pain/surgeries. Three shots of dilaudid is usually what works, most people only require one. Normally 10mg of perco or oxy is enough for most people, I take 5x that. That should put things into perspective.
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Did you end up getting the MadVapes DK? or from somewhere else? Still have yet to try DK and already 5.5 months into this deal...
I ordered from Valley Vapor. Pretty inexpensive and it came in record time.
DK Tab - 24mg DK-Tab E-liquid 24mg 30ml [DktH30] - $10.75 : Valley Vapor, Personal Vaporizers and Accessories
Problem here is that ecigs aren't being given anything close to a fair shake. If fear of nicotine keeps the long-standing quitters away from cigs, more power to them. I/we are talking about people that have not quit smoking.
I understand that even "playing nice" with ecig methods/use is anathema to a convinced opponent of the 'nicodemon'. Plus the fact that only ecigs have a place to "fall back to" if you relapse that isn't a cig/snus/smokeless.
Wouldn't it be better for a cessationist to embrace ecigs to get somebody away from cigs, then focus on the "accursed" nicotine addiction? It would make their work ALOT easier in many ways, cuz you could talk about reducing nicotine to nothing.
It doesn't change the thought process at all, can still think nicotine is the worst thing ever created. Work on the people that have quit smoking, make them think really hard about whether or not they REALLY want to keep puffing on a $34.00 straw.
There really is no reason for the absolutist approach because we all know it does not work absolutely. It will get the hard core quitters, but what about everybody else?
I/we are working with a pragmatic approach, try to get as many people to stop smoking as possible. I know it bothered you (if only for a few mins) that you were not given the ecig option when your "do or die" moment came about with your Doc...
I can see how there are all of these "conspiracy theories" floating about, where ecig users are determined to "take over" and that flawed belief is fueling alot of the rhetoric from the cessationists. We have 7 weeks firm that I have been watching. Have YET to see any kind of advertising. No pushing product. Just asking for fair consideration.
For a cessationist to tell me that I've not quit smoking, and that I'll go straight back to cigs is VERY DETRIMENTAL to the larger goal of getting EVERYBODY ON EARTH to quit smoking.
The "out of touch" comment is telling. Honestly, the cessationists are out of touch, because they cannot think out of the box. Denegrating my chosen method does not validate the other methods used to stop smoking, nor is the converse true. I give the opinion that my method works and is viable because I am biased... it worked for me, nothing more than that, and I have made pains to explain that clearly to anybody with the curiosity to ask.
Seriously, if CT doesn't work, then what?
Try something else... like gum.
Doesn't work?
Let's try a patch now...
Still doesn't work?
Try the Lozenge
Try the inhaler
Try eating twizzlers
Chew on dum-dum sticks
Eat pens
I could keep going here...
How many times does a smoker need to quit/relapse with other methods before it is considered "acceptable" to give ecigs a try?
The way I see it, a cessationist would rather just have you keep smoking if you "aren't strong enough to give up the evil nicodemon", basically because you are a lost cause. Call it a crutch if you want, fine with me. You still don't want to smoke cigs with this crutch, and that is my ultimate goal. Somebody else needs to start the nicotine anonymous chapter in my area.
There is a middle ground, right where I am today with ecigs, it is real and it does help some people. Again, fair shake is all I'm asking for here.
I'm strong enough to realize that I could not quit CT. Wellbutrin didn't work for me either. I stopped smoking with an ecig and have ZERO desire to take the old habit back up. I've gone the zero-Nic route and it is possible, it does work, I still do not want to smoke cigs. It totally makes sense for me to tell others that are looking to stop smoking cigs that this worked for me, and it could work for them if they give it an honest efford (just like with other methods).
COULD work, not WILL work. Nothing is 100% past death, and that is what you will get prematurely if you continue to smoke cigs.
There are some others I've responded to that could still use that "change of attitude" you are talking about, tho not in the way you were intending methinks.
I'm about in the same boat...I avoid using the opiates for anything but the worst of them...as I cannot handle the worst I have gotten...(I wont go into that)
I tolerate or focus thru most times...yeah sometimes I am miserable for days due to it but I am not one of the lucky ones as migraines go...If I catch it coming on I can take something serious and it will be reduced to a dull ache and then I will generally sleep it off but in my case the pain does not go away...it simply becomes manageable...I have gone thru about 30 diff medications trying to find something to help...lol no dice...
as to why that is I am unsure...I do know I develop a tolerance to things quite rapidly and things I have used before even faster...I gave up on pill popping trying to find something that worked years ago...I have Issues with doctors prescribing things to me on the off chance it worked..one of the ones they kept prescribing to me for pain was just pulled from the market...apparently one of the side effects is occasionally people die....I don't like putting chems into my body anyway...had enough of that to last 4 lifetimes...never again...
so far I seem to be fine today...other than this horrible desire to open my prize bottle of whiskey.....nuh uh...its saved for a real special occasion...
and I'm srry Magnus but even you coming over wouldn't cut it...would be tempting tho ....damn bottle is supposed to be worth more than my gaming rig...I know Its good stuff...My friend who gifted it to me for my last birthday had a second bottle He opened that one knowing I would simply stick the first on a shelf ...it currently sits in the gun safe...next to the mossberg...yup a safe for good or bad occasions...hey its fireproof gotta make a secondary use...
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It has been 2 months since my last analog.
Today has also been absolutely frustrating. It seems I have completely forgotten how to drip. I pulled out the clearomizers, but they don't seem to be working properly either. Still having wicking issues despite loosening the little plug. I'm starting to think that a 70/30 mix is just too much VG for the clearomizer. Anyone else have experience with them? Anything I can do to make them wick better? As I was taking it of my PV, I managed to pull the tube off. Add a mL of juice on my jeans to the frustration pile.
Today has also been absolutely frustrating. It seems I have completely forgotten how to drip. I pulled out the clearomizers, but they don't seem to be working properly either. Still having wicking issues despite loosening the little plug. I'm starting to think that a 70/30 mix is just too much VG for the clearomizer. Anyone else have experience with them? Anything I can do to make them wick better? As I was taking it of my PV, I managed to pull the tube off. Add a mL of juice on my jeans to the frustration pile.
I'm trying.
Make sure you clean any spill out of the connection ASAP. You are going to love the consistent hit and really love the battery life.
So far it's been an exercise in frustration. I'm going through my atty collection trying to find one where the draw isn't too stiff with the 510 extender that I have on the Darwin. That's one thing I definitely like about VV. Doesn't really matter what resistance your atty is.
You were talking about the joys of being "free" and wondering if we could try to understand the concept.
Then you mentioned some of those joys as breathing better, smelling better, and tasting things better.
Then I said that those are all joys that we are already experiencing, because they had nothing to do with nicotine.
So what other joys do you want us to consider that actually do have to do with being free of nicotine?
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