E-Cigarette Forum Discussion Thread

[LibertariaNate]

Remind me to stay off of I-15 in Utah, sounds like the turnpike in NJ.

It's not normally that bad. Right now they're adding lanes from Spanish Fork to Lehi. Really narrow lanes, numerous lane shifts and inattentive drivers lead to a lot of white knuckle driving. I'm not worried about me. I know how to drive. It's all the other crazies you gotta worry about. It'll be nice when it's completed though.

 

[lolady]

If something serious was ever even remotely linked by a physician, as soon as we heard it we'd verify it and report it as a known issue to our members!

And with all the lively "business" scrambling going on, we can be sure that any such event - even one isolated instance - would be shouted from the rooftops, printed on leaflets and dropped upon our heads, proclaimed on every TV channel, and triumphantly carried 'round the internets, held aloft on an embroidered cushion like a holy relic on a feast day!

 

[hobotivo]

From electricman on the Q Nic Poisoning thread:

Here's someone who got nicotine poisoning

If you begin to vomit and you taste an extremely bitter, disgusting taste, that may be a sign that your body is intoxicated with nicotine poisoning. If you think or know you have nicotine poisoning, your should seek medical attention immediately, and make sure you clarify specifically that you have nicotine poisoning... You will be treated differently. However I did not seek any medical attention during my first sickness because I thought it was only extreme food poisening that will pass in a few days. I stayed in bed, completely immobilized for 3 days and rested the next 5 days going to the doctors office once. When the nicotine poisioning symptoms went away, I immedieately got a horrible cold (lots of mucus in chest and head) that lasted for 3 weeks. The entire nicotine poisoning sickness DESTROYED my immune system. I then got a series of smaller/inferior chest colds or sinus colds.

I am now just getting my body back to 100% health. It has taken me 3 months to fully recover from what started out at Nicotine Poisoning.

This "nicotine poisoning" was self diagnosed. Two Doctors told him it was gastroenteritis.

The full thread from which electricman poached this may be found here.

Maybe somebody might like to point this out?

Cheers

 

[ShannonA]

DC besides the thread you suggested (all of which I agree with) here are some of the threads I think could be considered for stickies.

QuitSmokingMessageBoard.com • View topic - E-Cigarettes - Effectiveness -Measured by What Standard

QuitSmokingMessageBoard.com • View topic - FLAVORS

QuitSmokingMessageBoard.com • View topic - Something Missing

 

[LibertariaNate]

Almost an hour since the last post... Slow day apparently.

 

[hobotivo]

Almost an hour since the last post... Slow day apparently.

Very. There's no topic happening...

Apropos of nothing in particular:

Do you even know that Anti-American sentiment is against international law?

Broke me up!

Cheers

 

[MagnusEunson]

This "nicotine poisoning" was self diagnosed. Two Doctors told him it was gastroenteritis.

The full thread from which electricman poached this may be found here.

Maybe somebody might like to point this out?

*face palm* Wait wait...

There... that's better. -Magnus

 

[MagnusEunson]

I stay in here where its safe.

No, it's really not any safer INSIDE!. It's just somewhat better moderated.

-Magnus

 

[MagnusEunson]

To be fair - 99% of the time that's all it turns out to be.

Is that a metric that was validated somehow or your guestimate?

I don't think people "write it off" so much as suggest that is what it could be. When they do that, they are chided by the worrywarts for not taking it seriously enough or wearing blinders/rose colored glasses. Honestly, I have yet to see a serious adverse side effect and the mild side effects, while sometimes alarming, are usually just that - PG allergy, too high nicotine, mild dehydration or quitting smoking side effects that subside rather quickly. I have yet to see one person come back with a report that their doctor linked severe symptoms to vaping.

Well, that makes sense but not in a good way. There is no body of data to let them even form a decision tree to make such a connection.

And think about what you ~just did~, you called them worrywarts and used a slightly condescending term.. chided. That's pretty much how most threads make the OP feel from where I'm sitting. And I have a track record of screaming off the buildings people are worrywarts. I just generally, believe it or not, do it more diplomatically in the New Users responses than I've seen others do.

People can't walk away thinking they've been scolded or something is being hidden from them. They need to feel confident that people do, have, and are taking it all very seriously. And have given it considerable thought. That "feeling" is not regularly instilled in New User responses having to do with health or concerns.

That is ridiculous when you consider that I'm on the board of CASAA (CONSUMER ADVOCATES) - the last thing we want to do is be like the antis and hide the truth from smokers. It goes against our very mission statement. If something serious was ever even remotely linked by a physician, as soon as we heard it we'd verify it and report it as a known issue to our members!

While I tend to believe the CASAA advocates I've interacted with, I'm not sure I believe what you just said to be generally true. For example, CASAA's stance on nicotine as presented Casaa.org - Harm Reduction is very peculiar to me.

They open by basically saying nicotine has benefits, they bullet them out. Then they say "Theoretically, the healthiest thing a smoker can do is to totally give up using nicotine in any form. But does reality conform to the theory?"...

They should be defining ~reality~ in the use cases they suggest. They don't.

They completely disregard nicotine's effects on prediabetes and diabetes as it pertains to heart disease. If you're already familiar w/ the situation what CASAA is really indicating is statistical relative risk of nicotine cessation vs weight gain. I get that, I've said that, however... shouldn't CASAA note that those who are borderline and have healthier weights might want to try to stick to that without nicotine?

And in terms of nicotine cessation I think CASAA should probably tell you what else you're ~not~ getting in vaping (vs analogs) that might be beneficial to your mental health too. The whole WTA discussions had even in this thread. I would think when you're talking about nicotine helping w/ depression and anxiety you might want to mention this too.

So while I agree it's absurd to think CASAA is out there covering up dangerous aspects of vaping, I'm not sure they're advocating for the consumer as an unbiased broker either. As an individual broker and not the whole of CASAA, you indeed may be... I just don't see the organization's outward facing presentation quite that clearly.

Basically, I think I'm w/ Nate on this one... I think the general attitude is far more dismissive than you suggest.

And this is coming from somebody who firmly espouses the risk reduction and relative risk line. I just think a bit more honest brokerage should come from CASAA than would just an end-user like me. -Magnus

 

[MagnusEunson]

My question, that might not make me the most popular guy here, is, has anyone asked the forum 'management', (mods/admins/owner), if they want that?

Nope.

I doubt that's the case here, no one is going to try to drive in completley unrelated traffic just to suck up server resources, and undoubtedly it would be better for people looking for support to quit smoking to find this forum rather than the qsmb, at least that's my not so humble opinion. The question is if thee people in charge here would rather stick to people specifically looking for e-cig information or would welcome droves of people just trying to quit.

Three things:

1) We could fit the whole of the QSMB into the nook between the ....-cheeks of one thread in the OUTSIDE!

2) It would still be about people who want to look at the e-cig, I'm hardly suggesting we pull in all NRTs, cold turkey, etc. People would look and only stay if they were interested in what they saw.

3) I'll ask.

Now if they would rather not, the simple answer is build a quit smoking site, include a forum, and plenty of links this way for anyone interested in using a PV to get off or stay off analogs. Id be half tempted to start the site, but I've all ready been toying with starting a site about e-cigs, and I'm not sure I have the time to give one site the attention it needs to make it work, much less two.

I'm less worried about the requirements of building and maintaining a site than not having the right people at said site because I've divided ~their~ time and resources.

All that said, if it's something that does happen, and based on the contest Magnus is getting ready to run, I'm pretty sure he plans to make it happen, I can at least give a bit of direction, and instruction for basic seo techniques.

The more the merrier. And it's going to happen. ;-) -Magnus

 

[MagnusEunson]

I would say I can donate bandwidth and server resources to the cause, but I'm thinking Magnus would just say "No" or ignore the post entirely.

Sure, give me SSH, sudo, and I'll leverage your server. I've got lots of things that need extra mirrors. ;-)

*shrug* I don't know, if it comes to it I'm not a sadist. Often. Much.

My existing infrastructure at Linode is stretched thin but I've got a few levels above me to keep growing. And I've already got both UK and US installations. If it ever comes down to deploying stuff wholesale outside of ECF. -Magnus

 

[MagnusEunson]

MagnusEunson, if you want to have cute honorable mention prizes, you could award packs of the new colored cartomizer hats!

Say what? What are cartomizer hats? -Magnus

 

[MagnusEunson]

He keeps ignoring the paper doll collection, too.

They kinda weird me out. Ceridwen's tear-out books have turned into a house full of orphaned paper masks, origami, and shredded paper. Everywhere I look there is some paper dog or little girl or elephant looking at me wearing some paper vest or hat. And she shoves them into the Blu-Ray player and the dog's mouths. -Magnus

 

[LibertariaNate]

Say what? What are cartomizer hats? -Magnus

She's talking about these. Just another mnemonic device for keeping track of what nicquid is in what carto.

 

[MagnusEunson]

She's talking about these. Just another mnemonic device for keeping track of what nicquid is in what carto.

*phew* As soon as I clicked I was afraid they were going to be some mini cozy or something. I might need to consider some of those. -Magnus

 

[MagnusEunson]

I'm not kidding, I'm telling you that Q boarders are doing this trolling now.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...own-his-luck-realtor-become-toxicologist.html
COPY -- How do ex-truck drivers, dog breeders or a "down on his luck" realtor become a toxicologist?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ssionals-here-what-about-doctors-opinion.html
COPY -- So many Professionals here, What about a Doctors Opinion?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...w-addicted-strawberry-cheese-cake-coffee.html
COPY -- I Quit Vaping, But Now addicted to Strawberry Cheese Cake Coffee

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...62-new-member-not-new-vaper-new-question.html
COPY -- New Member, Not a New Vaper with a New Question

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/members/nicfiction-albums-nicfits.html

*sigh* -Magnus


EDIT: I made Bo.lt copies in case the mods remove them before y'all see this..

 

[hobotivo]

I'm not kidding, I'm telling you that Q boarders are doing this trolling now.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...own-his-luck-realtor-become-toxicologist.html
COPY -- How do ex-truck drivers, dog breeders or a "down on his luck" realtor become a toxicologist?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ssionals-here-what-about-doctors-opinion.html
COPY -- So many Professionals here, What about a Doctors Opinion?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...w-addicted-strawberry-cheese-cake-coffee.html
COPY -- I Quit Vaping, But Now addicted to Strawberry Cheese Cake Coffee

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...62-new-member-not-new-vaper-new-question.html
COPY -- New Member, Not a New Vaper with a New Question

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/members/nicfiction-albums-nicfits.html

*sigh* -Magnus


EDIT: I made Bo.lt copies in case the mods remove them before y'all see this..

Good work Magnus! How are you going? Did you have to go to the UK for your fitting for the .600 or do they have a gunroom in the US?

Cheers

 

[MagnusEunson]

This troll is going to a lot of trouble to drum up support and cause more trouble.

NicFits.Com

*shakes head* -Magnus

 

[MagnusEunson]

How are you going? Did you have to go to the UK for your fitting for the .600 or do they have a gunroom in the US?

I'm alright, still not sleeping but OK. Yourself?

I don't have to go to the UK, they do have an option in New York. I chose to goto the UK though to see everything and meet the key people. I'll be going back once more sometime next spring on the current schedule. -Magnus

 

[rolygate]

ECF has received complaints that our members have been causing problems on another forum, QSMB. This is strictly against our rules - see Rule 20.

This type of behavior will not be tolerated. ECF members need to be careful about what they do on other forums as it brings our name into disrepute and eventually leads to forum wars. Your actions have already started this process and WE WILL NOT TOLERATE IT.

If we receive any more complaints about ECF members then those members will be banned from ECF. No warnings, no excuses accepted.

Any post that I locate on QSMB from this point on that can be attributed to an ECF member and that I find offensive in any way to QSMB members will result in a ban here for that ECF member.

You may take this as your first and your final warning.