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[beckdg]

Ah... you struck a pet peeve of mine... according to a bottle of regular Pepsi, a 12 oz serving provides 14% of my DV for carbs. Seven servings of Pepsi fulfills 100% of my carb needs. A couple of eggs and bacon in the morning supplies all my basic DVs, and Done.

I could sub a few slices of bread for those carbs, but according to the label why bother and as you mention, there is no FDA recommended limit to my sugar intake so it's all good.

All courtesy of the FDA. Such a treasure trove of nutritional research.

(eta: yes, there could be just a bit of sarcasm in the above)

I do disagree to some extent of your analysis above, though. Obesity and Diabetes (even among thin active people now) is at epidemic proportions, compared to 30 years ago or so. The difference in diet is primarily less fat, replaced with sugar (as you noted). No matter what you eat- out of the produce and fresh meat sections, or processed foods, you have the same potential GMO/chemical feedstock additive types of concerns, the food processors use the same raw materials, but then add sugar and chemicals. Cutting sugar is not hard except kids seem to be raised on sugar now. Cooking from scratch does not have to take hours and can be done fairly economically with shrewd choices. That alone would probably be 80-90% of the problem.

Just my own uneducated assessment of things

Yes

We do that

And if sugar is your only concern... easy peesy

Unless!

Your kids actually go to public schools

Unless!

Carbs aren't your only focus

My kids eat asparagus, radicchio, broccoli, dot dot dot dot dot... dot dot

With no problems... now

We cook meals from scratch

We have and use food saver, food dehydrator, canning equipment, vitamix blender, masticating, wide mouth and citrus press juicers, etc., etc..

Yet if the school lunch menu offers pizza or chicken nuggets all week as an option then my daughter struggles with eating any veggies other than lettuce and cucumbers and many fruits.

And also struggles with getting enough sleep and a terrible mind state with a highly opinionated, nasty attitude.

She needs to be cleansed and balanced at that point for which in 1 weeks worth of lunches, she's been conditioned to refuse.

So yes... it's easy... on paper.

But as I said... not exactly easy.

And then what do you do for "healthy treats"?

I mean... fruit parfait doesn't ALWAYS substitute for ice cream for a grade schooler. And the school has already over stuffed the allowance for junk for the week just in lunch by Tuesday IF the kids haven't been allowed to the snack area or ice cream dispenser machines...

Tapatyped

 

[VNeil]

Yes

We do that

And if sugar is your only concern... easy peesy

Unless!

Your kids actually go to public schools

Unless!

Carbs aren't your only focus

My kids eat asparagus, radicchio, broccoli, dot dot dot dot dot... dot dot

With no problems... now

We cook meals from scratch

We have and use food saver, food dehydrator, canning equipment, vitamix blender, masticating, wide mouth and citrus press juicers, etc., etc..

Yet if the school lunch menu offers pizza or chicken nuggets all week as an option then my daughter struggles with eating any veggies other than lettuce and cucumbers and many fruits.

And also struggles with getting enough sleep and a terrible mind state with a highly opinionated, nasty attitude.

She needs to be cleansed and balanced at that point for which in 1 weeks worth of lunches, she's been conditioned to refuse.

So yes... it's easy... on paper.

But as I said... not exactly easy.

And then what do you do for "healthy treats"?

I mean... fruit parfait doesn't ALWAYS substitute for ice cream for a grade schooler. And the school has already over stuffed the allowance for junk for the week just in lunch by Tuesday IF the kids haven't been allowed to the snack area or ice cream dispenser machines...

Tapatyped

It's been decades since I had a child in school. I get it. When I was a kid in the 60s the schools served real food

 

[beckdg]

It's been decades since I had a child in school. I get it. When I was a kid in the 60s the schools served real food

Yep

Its sickening

And it's sickening that when Michelle Obama started her move campaign, the food industry (with the blessing of the FDA) put her in her place and inundated the public schools with force.

I was brought up on everything made from scratch.

That almost doesn't exist these days.

Tapatyped

 

[VNeil]

Yep

Its sickening

And it's sickening that when Michelle Obama started her move campaign, the food industry (with the blessing of the FDA) put her in her place and inundated the public schools with force.

I was brought up on everything made from scratch.

That almost doesn't exist these days.

Tapatyped

The solution, of course, is a stiff sugar tax. $5/lb would be good for starters. The sugar addicted kids will grow up to accept it and the inevitable increases. That will insure that govt will do nothing to ever lose that revenue stream.

And the hamster goes round and round and round...

 

[beckdg]

The solution, of course, is a stiff sugar tax. $5/lb would be good for starters. The sugar addicted kids will grow up to accept it and the inevitable increases. That will insure that govt will do nothing to ever lose that revenue stream.

And the hamster goes round and round and round...

[emoji38]

Tapatyped

 

[Vandal]

Here's How Pizza And Gelato Cured My Stomach Issues

An article I read today that seems to fit in here. In summary, the author found he could eat the same food in Italy that he could no longer eat in the US because it was making him sick. The difference: they make it fresh there. It's minus the additives, preservatives, etc. that have entered the US food system. And I don't think GMOs have taken hold in Europe like they have here.

It takes researching every single thing you even think about wanting to eat or drink to find a healthy option or if you should eliminate it altogether. I have time on my hands so I can do this, but I'm growing tired of it. Especially after reading that I could go to Italy and eat anything without having to worry about it, lol. Just figuring out a dinner that won't slowly poison us has become a stressful event. How did this happen? Why did we allow this to happen? (both rhetorical questions)

 

[Telmos]

At some point we all may eat enough apples to get ........ (nic sick). Then we don't eat as many apples in the future and go about our days happier and more comfortable.

Never reaching death or chronic illness from the seed (the flavors).

Thats a good point, which I should probably think about (out loud). I am a very occassional smoker (2-3 packs a year), so when I started to vape a month ago, I thought I'd go nic free since I can get by it anyway, and why use an extra chemical regardless if its harmfull or not. BUT, I realized I vape way too much 0nic. When I tried with nic, I was able to put it down much sooner because I was "satisfied" much sooner or just coudl just not do any more. The possibility to some nic and end up vaping less of overall chemicals may be a good proposition. Damit, I just dont like the idea of being dependent on anything.. maybe I can figure out something else.. Anyway, thanks for thoughts.

 

[Telmos]

Here's How Pizza And Gelato Cured My Stomach Issues

An article I read today that seems to fit in here. In summary, the author found he could eat the same food in Italy that he could no longer eat in the US because it was making him sick. The difference: they make it fresh there. It's minus the additives, preservatives, etc. that have entered the US food system. And I don't think GMOs have taken hold in Europe like they have here.

It takes researching every single thing you even think about wanting to eat or drink to find a healthy option or if you should eliminate it altogether. I have time on my hands so I can do this, but I'm growing tired of it. Especially after reading that I could go to Italy and eat anything without having to worry about it, lol. Just figuring out a dinner that won't slowly poison us has become a stressful event. How did this happen? Why did we allow this to happen? (both rhetorical questions)

I concur with that example. Everytime I go outside of the US and eat the EXACT same thing, I lose weight over 2-3 weeks, then gain it back with the exact same diet and activity level.

Its ironic how food is the main cause of death and illness in most countries. In US, people die of over eating it and in some countries people die of not having enough.

 

[Jingles]

Over the past several years, my pizza sensitive stomach has gotten worse and worse. I've tried switching brands several times, and types of pizza and it doesn't seem to matter. Most of it bothers my stomach.

 

[DC2]

I feel Change comes through a thought process Society as a whole no longer has and the Idea that Government will fix it for us has proven time and time again to be a FAIL on many levels.

Let me just summarize this as simply as I can...

The fact is that "the Government" does not offer a proper solution to anything.
It's been that way since the dawn of time.

Do I have a better solution?
No, I don't.

But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep trying to find it.
But it damn sure ain't the Government.

 

[Vandal]

I concur with that example. Everytime I go outside of the US and eat the EXACT same thing, I lose weight over 2-3 weeks, then gain it back with the exact same diet and activity level.

Its ironic how food is the main cause of death and illness in most countries. In US, people die of over eating it and in some countries people die of not having enough.

Some years ago, I decided to completely eliminate processed foods (note: I did also add green tea and unrefined virgin coconut oil to my diet). I started dropping weight at an alarming rate (I was already thin) and had to add calories in. I'd had heart palpitations, nosebleeds, and headaches for many years and these simply ceased. Some research will tell you the stuff in processed foods will make you sick, even so-called "natural" ingredients (which aren't, in spite of the fact they are being allowed to call them that).

There is a big difference between food and food products- it's the latter we need to learn to stay away from. And the term "natural" is a meaningless marketing term. Only "organic" and "GMO-free" mean anything.

Over the past several years, my pizza sensitive stomach has gotten worse and worse. I've tried switching brands several times, and types of pizza and it doesn't seem to matter. Most of it bothers my stomach.

Have you tried organic pizza? Just curious.

 

[beckdg]

Only "organic" and "GMO-free" mean anything.

And it isn't much...

Tapatyped

 

[TooMuchOrangeTang]

Does anyone have more data on the guy doing the flavor research who's interviewed in this?

 

[DC2]

Does anyone have more data on the guy doing the flavor research who's interviewed in this?

Do you mean Dr. Farsalinos?

Because if so, yeah, we have lots of information.
More than you can shake a stick at.

He's one of us.

 

[TooMuchOrangeTang]

Not Dr. F

There was another researcher who's name I can't quite make out - I'm curious to find out about his project.

 

[IDJoel]

Not Dr. F

There was another researcher who's name I can't quite make out - I'm curious to find out about his project.

Are you talking about this gentleman?

Maciej Goniewicz, PhD, PharmD
Assistant Professor of Oncology
Department of Health Behavior
Roswell Park Cancer Institute
Buffalo, NY 14263

I found his name doing a search for: toxicology research of e-liquid on human cells
His was first link (though not to the specific juice testing; I'm not sure that is published yet).
If you youtube search his name you can find a couple of older videos (2-3 years old) of him. You'll know immediately this is the same person by both voice and appearance.

Also, I would offer a quiet caution about his specific juice tests; unless you are using his exact flavor AND brand the results are not universal. If you have experience mixing your own juice you will know there is a vast selection of ingredients available to anyone making e-liquid.
Mfg "A" makes a pina colada with 7 ingredients and Mfg. "B" makes their pina colada with 13 entirely different ingredients. They will taste similar but that does not mean that the level of risk is automatically the same.
I am not saying that it is useless, just don't try to directly apply it to all flavors with the same name.

 

[TooMuchOrangeTang]

Are you talking about this gentleman?

Yes! Thank you!

 

[Imperialchugger]

Great read. Thanks for sharing

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[jseah]

Realistically, how small was that room? Did he encourage large volumes of vapor? His statement with regards to glycerin with a 'we just don't know'. I felt like he really wanted to find something......anything that he could point to and say 'this is bad for bystanders'. I'm sorry but that was the impression I got.

And he never even brought up PG. They obviously should know the health effects of inhaling PG since they've been using PG as the carrier liquid in asthma inhalers since the 50's or 60's. And when the last doctor giving him a checkup said that vaping was irritating his lung tissue, that was definitely a bit biased. If you take in anything into your lungs other than pure, clean air, it will irritate your lungs. The question they need to ask (and find an answer to) is whether the vapor causes damage to the lungs.

 

[jseah]

I watched it and I have to say that on the whole the Brits have a far more balanced approach to it than the powers that be here in the states. Here they are all about demonizing vaping so that it can be monopolized by BT, and to save BP's profits as well. When it comes to nicotine patches let's be real about it. Vaping is a lot more enjoyable and satisfying than slapping on a patch! As for BT, well they just want to own vaping, have a monopoly on nicotine, and load it up with the thousands of evil poisonous chemicals they now put in cigarettes, returning us all right back to where we were before vaping. The are outright reptiles.

It appeared that their NRT control group had used different types of NRT's. They mentioned patches and from the video it looked like some also used nicotine inhalers. While the success rate over the 4 week period was very good (7 out of 8 people was able to quit), from what I understand over the long term NRT's aren't as successful. I've seen studies that shows after 24 weeks, less than 10 percent of users who quit using patches were able to stay off cigarettes.