E-cigarettes present a question of non-burning safety

[Psyche]

PHILADELPHIA: E-cigarettes present a question of (non-burning safety) | Health | ADN.com

I caught this in my news app this morning. Pretty fair I think. The journalist actually spoke to real life flesh and blood vapers. I like that this made it in.

E-cigarettes don't burn and don't produce tobacco smoke, which contains dozens of known carcinogens. Instead, electric current from a battery heats a liquid containing nicotine. The resulting vapor is inhaled, mimicking the feel (and look) of tobacco smoke with what more closely resembles steam. Nicotine - the ingredient that causes addiction but that is not necessarily harmful - provides the kick.

But don't worry, CTFK got a sentence representing the illusory, vulnerable children (who apparently have never been afforded the benefit of parental guidance).

"We need to look beyond that very narrow question of 'Are they less harmful than cigarettes?'" said McGoldrick, vice president of research for the Campaign for tobacco-Free Kids. Former smokers might be brought back, he said. Sponsoring sporting events and marketing flavors like bubble gum - both prohibited for regular cigarettes - might lure youngsters who would not have smoked.

"It all comes down to, are these going to be used to decrease smoking or to increase smoking?"

The original story from Philly - E-cigarettes present a (non) burning question of safety - Philly.com

 

[e-pipeman]

If a former smoker was lured back to smoking by vaping he would be wearing a comfortable waistcoat as well (in a rubber room).

As for the "kiddies" - they are not allowed to vape. They must not vape. If they vape they should attend extra classes at weekends to learn the meaning of the phrase "These devices are not for children".

 

[Concat]

Honestly, the flavor argument is so dumb. If they banned it, Halo and the like would just sell proprietary flavorings along side their flavorfree nic juice for mixing. How can they stop that?

It's like energy drinks and alcohol. Where I live bars are not allowed to sell alcoholic energy drinks. So they just sell shots along side a can of red bull. Perfectly legal if the consumer mixes it.

 

[Jay-dub]

Drinking and driving is illegal but every bar I've seen has a parking lot...

 

[pamdis]

We need to quit letting them frame the issue.

"We need to look beyond that very narrow question of 'Are they less harmful than cigarettes?'" said McGoldrick,

"It all comes down to, are these going to be used to decrease smoking or to increase smoking?"

The 'are they less harmful' argument is not a narrow question, it is the whole point!!!

The question of 'decrease or increase' is an invalid question, as no one can point to any evidence, scientific or anecdotal, that shows or even indicates use of e-cigs increases smoking.

These are talking points that don't even make sense.

 

[Anjaffm]

great find, thank you!

 

[Uma]

They sound worried that ex-smokers who fall off the wagon will pick up a vapor thingie instead of a pack of smokes? That's plain appalling.

 

[AgentAnia]

We need to quit letting them frame the issue.



The 'are they less harmful' argument is not a narrow question, it is the whole point!!!
The question of 'decrease or increase' is an invalid question, as no one can point to any evidence, scientific or anecdotal, that shows or even indicates use of e-cigs increases smoking.

These are talking points that don't even make sense.

I borrowed your point (since you hadn't commented) and posted it to the article. Excellent point. Before reading your post, I hadn't really picked up on the absurdity of the assumption that whether or not ecigs are harmful is a "very narrow question"!

 

[pianoguy]

It's comforting to know that the CFTFK considers the potential prevention of 440,000 deaths annually a "very narrow question".

 

[Uma]

It's comforting to know that the CFTFK considers the potential prevention of 440,000 deaths annually a "very narrow question".

We should tout that quote every where we go....

 

[Ranic85]

Drinking and driving is illegal but every bar I've seen has a parking lot...

Hey the drunks have to get home somehow! They would bring their horse, but even that is considered, umm, "riding under the influence." Though I am pretty sure if you were drunk enough to ride a horse off a cliff, the horse wouldn't let you.

 

[pamdis]

I get so angry when I see many quotes by antz, on the surface they may sound reasonable to the general public, and then the uninformed side up with them, not realizing that what the antz are promoting as reasons to be against e-cigs are ACTUALLY THE POINT OF ECIGS:

Here's some more examples from an article this week on news-sentinal.com "Allen County anti-tobacco group concerned about e-cigarettes"

Some proponents say e-cigarettes are a good smoking cessation product. Gerhart disagrees, telling people, “It’s a nicotine delivery device. It’s just a different way to get nicotine,”

“Using them mimics the whole pattern of smoking,” which comprises a “three-link chain of addiction: the physical, psychological and social,” Gerhart said. “All three of those things are interlinked with each other. If you are going to an e-cigarette, how are you ever going to break that addiction?”

When I see these, I want the journalist to ask, "And why is it necessary to break the nicotine addiction? It used to be because of the damage caused by smoking, but now that there is a way to get nicotine without smoking, what's the bad part exactly?"

 

[Uma]

Sometimes we need to get to the root of all rumors and hole the rumor mongers accountable.
With that said, have y'all watched the TRDRP presentation Elaine posted here in the forum? http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...resentation-slides-trdrp-workshop-posted.html

Here's a direct link, and if you sign up to vimeo, you can comment ... .

TRDRP:E-Cigarettes: The Vapor This Time?

 

[Uma]

Hey the drunks have to get home somehow! They would bring their horse, but even that is considered, umm, "riding under the influence." Though I am pretty sure if you were drunk enough to ride a horse off a cliff, the horse wouldn't let you.

oh does this bring back memories! Back in the 60's and 70's, our local town drunk would every night ride his horse into town to the bar, and somehow ride home again at closing time. How he managed to stay on, is remarkable. But his horse took great care with him, obviously. The pub even had a hitching rail for him! I miss seeing them both. They were like a Mayberry icon of sorts.

 

[pianoguy]

oh does this bring back memories! Back in the 60's and 70's, our local town drunk would every night ride his horse into town to the bar, and somehow ride home again at closing time. How he managed to stay on, is remarkable. But his horse took great care with him, obviously. The pub even had a hitching rail for him! I miss seeing them both. They were like a Mayberry icon of sorts.

 

[Uma]

:thumbup: oh I loved that movie, Lee Marvin, CatBalou(sp).