E-cigarettes: Some say vaping e-cigarettes is worse than smoking the real thing

[Spazmelda]

Here's a nice and biased article: sorry, my ipad makes it difficult to break the link, keeps correcting it to the unbroken link. Just google the title if you want to read it I guess.

Looks like they've edited the title. It is now "Doctors caution users of e-cigarettes, say vaping is worse than smoking the real thing."

Good sensational title, dontcha think.

 

[Elnroth]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5398559

See this link about breaking links to junk science please.

 

[AgentAnia]

This is my local news station, and I am SO embarrassed to see them publish such a pile of total and complete junk! I'm not on Facebook and was unable to sign up and comment on their site. Some very good comments there already, though.

From the article: "Doctor Robert Greene treats lung cancer patients at the Palm Beach Cancer Institute and said the product is potentially a health hazard. “There really is no information about whether they're safe or not, and that's part of the problem." "

Given his level of ignorance on this issue, him being an alleged lung specialist and all, I will certainly make it a point never to consult him on any medical issue! I would call him a danger to the medical profession and patients everywhere, but that might be libelous so I won't.

 

[Paulette]

Here is the broken-up link:

http: //www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/health/Doctors-caution-users-of-e-cigarettes-say-vaping-is-worse-than-smoking-the-real-thing

 

[Vocalek]

If Story said this, he's an idiot:

“I understand they found all kinds of stuff," said Story. "At one point in time you may have found whatever you want to find. If it cannot be substantiated by the other side, you have to question their motive."

I'm thinking the reporter just kind of made up her own quotes.

The lab test results are posted on the FDA web site for anyone in the world to read. The problem is how the FDA's spokespeople decided to "spin" the findings.

The presence of tobacco-specific Nitrosamines was spun as "Ooooo, there are cancer-causing chemicals present!" The whole story is that these chemicals were present, but why all the angst, when the amount matches what the FDA allows the pharmaceutical companies to have present in a nicotine patch? And BTW this amount is thousands of times lower than what's in smoke. So does that make it advisable to continue smoking?

One of the liquid samples had a tiny, tiny amount of diethylene glycol present. The FDA touted that as an ingredient in antifreeze without mentioning that nobody has ever been harmed by such a small quantity of the chemical. But what's even more important is that the FDA did NOT find any of these chemicals in the vapor.

 

[Spazmelda]

Thank you for posting the broken link for us Paulette. My ipad was giving me fits.

 

[Whosback]

The article is a rehash of a three year old story from florida. How about current news and actual fact?

 

[Bewenched]

I think that with any of these types of stories we need to research before we post abd secondly we need to keep in mind just how much money the tobacco industry has.

Not really a conspiracy theorist, but when billions are at stake I think we could see planted stories. The tobacco industry spends millions on lobbiests. Just sayin'

As far as government regulations, well they can and will loose million or billions in tax revenues.
Thankfully Texas just passed a bill lowering taxes on smokeless tobacco products.

 

[Bewenched]

One of the liquid samples had a tiny, tiny amount of diethylene glycol present. The FDA touted that as an ingredient in antifreeze without mentioning that nobody has ever been harmed by such a small quantity of the chemical. But what's even more important is that the FDA did NOT find any of these chemicals in the vapor.

Did they state where they got the sample?

All I can say is know your vapeshop. I've been in some that looked so shady that I wouldnt even ask to use their toilet much less test or buy their imported juice.

 

[DC2]

I think that with any of these types of stories we need to research before we post abd secondly we need to keep in mind just how much money the tobacco industry has.

Not really a conspiracy theorist, but when billions are at stake I think we could see planted stories. The tobacco industry spends millions on lobbiests. Just sayin'

As far as government regulations, well they can and will loose million or billions in tax revenues.
Thankfully Texas just passed a bill lowering taxes on smokeless tobacco products.

While I don't disagree with anything you said, you are missing perhaps our biggest and most well-funded opponent...
BIG PHARMA

They stand to lose millions upon millions when nobody wants their ineffective quit-smoking products.
And they stand to lose billions upon billions when nobody needs their drugs to combat smoking-related diseases.

Read these, and then go ahead and become a conspiracy theorist...
FORCES International - News Portal
As drug industry’s influence over research grows, so does the potential for bias - Washington Post
How Health Regulators Are Killing American Smokers - Forbes
A Tool to Quit Smoking Has Some Unlikely Critics - New York Times
Now the FDA Is Trying to Kill Smokers - Fox News

SIDE NOTE: It's not really a conspiracy, it's just business.

 

[AgentAnia]

Excellent links; thank you! Stossel's tirade says it all in a nutshell, and the article on Johnson & Johnson's foundation is downright scary.