E-cigs an Unethical Business? [RIT University News]

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mrjaguar

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I emailed the author of this post..

probably not the best response, but far better than I really wanted to be..

"why would you post this crap? he's an uninformed individual making opinionated statements as though it were fact. you might want to look at casaa.org and get some true information, NOT something like this.



thanks

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Now he may have deserved the award and proven himself a shrewd businessman if instead of the 2,500 boxes of E cigs he sold in NJ at $4.50 a box profit, he drove to PA, picked up 2,500 cartons of Marlboro Reds and sold them on the street in NYC for $10 a pack. Then his quotes about the award would have been accurate and instead of pocketing around $11k, he'd have more like $113k to develop his culinary food website with.

He just better be careful with the programmers he hired in Bombay or they may pull a Zuckerberg on him and create the Foodbook website from his initial idea.
 

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Dear Ms. Morphy,

I was disappointed by your article on Varzan Patel, and you and your University's lack of basic research and thought on this matter. I am sure Varzan Patel is a wonderful young man, but the manner in which you and RIT paint the selling of E-cigarettes as unethical is very misleading and downright dangerous.

Several times in your article you cite that Mr. Patel did not want to be involved in causing cancer. E-cigarettes are not known to cause cancer. The ingredients are nicotine, FDA approved liquids, and FDA-approved flavorings. Cigarette smoke and the 4000 chemicals in it cause cancer. Nicotine does not, and as there is no smoke in E-cigarettes, the health risks associated with it are minimized.

Maybe Mr. Patel was involved in selling to minors, or was involved in ripping people off for inferior products. Choosing to not take part in those would be ethical decisions which I would applaud him for. That is not what you wrote or the University commented on.

Unless he was involved in selling to minors, there is a case to be made that what is unethical in this story is not selling E-cigarettes, but criticizing and making false claims about a product that many have used to stop the terrible habit of smoking, save money, and vastly improve their health and mental state. While the product is not marketed as a smoking cessation tool, I know many who have had just that experience - count me among them.

I'd be happy to direct you or someone from the University to some materials that would teach you more about E-cigarettes so that you could present any future articles about this growing business in a more honest, thoughtful light which would better represent an academic institution the quality of RIT.

Thanks for your time,

Scott ___
 

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Dear Marcia Morphy,

Perhaps you should do research before you post. Could you please provide a link to 1 study that shows nicotine (not smoke) causes cancer? Please? Just 1??

Did you know that vapor is not smoke? Did you also know that the same levels of "cancer causing agents" found in e-liquids are in comparable trace amounts found in nicorette gum and the patch which are accepted as "safe" levels by both BP and the FDA??

Did you know that Propylene glycol is used:

As a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations

As a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, shampoo, mouth wash, hair care and tobacco products

In smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productions

As a solvent for food colors and flavorings

As a cooling agent for beer and wine glycol jacketed fermentation tanks

And... Serious toxicity generally occurs only at plasma concentrations over 1 g/L, which requires extremely high intake over a relatively short period of time. It would be nearly impossible to reach toxic levels by consuming foods or supplements, which contain at most 1 g/kg of PG. Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are usually related to either inappropriate intravenous administration or accidental ingestion of large quantities by children. The potential for long-term oral toxicity is also low. In one study, rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG in feed over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects. Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol was classified by the U. S. Food and Drug Administration as "generally recognized as safe" (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive.

Did you know that Vegetable Glycerin is used in the food industry as a solvent and sweetener and may help preserve food?

Really, the last thing we need in a world where tobacco kills hundreds of thousands a day is shoddy reporting and half ... research insinuating false claims based upon 0 scientific evidence...

Regards,
Jason
 

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Here's what I sent her:

Ms. Morphy,

I'm really unsure what to make of your recent article about Varzan Patel who was awarded for his ethical choice to stop selling e-cigarettes in an effort to value public health over profit. The only way I can imagine that him selling e-cigarettes was unethical is if he were 1) selling to minors or 2) selling low quality products for too high a price. There is certainly nothing unethical about providing smokers with an alternative to inhaling deadly smoke that causes a multitude of chronic and deadly health conditions, not to mention that e-cigs are a much better choice for those who do not wish to be exposed to second hand smoke (since there is none). Honestly, it's become quite tiresome to be exposed to bad journalism on a daily basis, as it seems that so few writers understand the importance of doing research and fact checking prior to publishing alarmist material. The fact that this idiot thinks that nicotine causes cancer should have been your first clue that you might need to look into the topic of electronic cigarettes prior to publishing this piece glorifying his efforts. In reality, every e-cig kit he sold was bringing a smoker one step closer to a healthier lifestyle. Nicotine isn't what kills smokers......the smoke is. E-cigs are a substitute for smoking and are automatically a step in the right direction simply because they take the smoke out of the equation. Anyone who needs to start their day with a cup (or two or three) of coffee should also reconsider their demonization of nicotine since caffeine is also addictive and has pretty similar effects on the human body.

Varzan Patel really didn't do anyone any favors, and neither did this article.
 

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Tossed this in e-mail

Dear Marcia Morphy,


It' generally accepted it's unethical to publish without rudimentary fact checking. Nicotine is not a carcinogen. Doctors like Richard Hurt (Mayo Clinic) even suggest using NRPs for as long as it takes. Dr. Neal Benowitz (FDA's Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee) even suggests using dissolvable tobacco is acceptable because:

* No evidence that nicotine causes or promotes cancer

* Nicotine may slightly increase the risk of MI and stroke. If so the risks are far lower than those of cigarette smoking

* Nicotine likely has adverse effects on reproduction, including increasing the risk of pre-eclampsia and preterm birth

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/NewsEvents/UCM232147.pdf

It's a social norm that 1 and 7 people continue smoking until they die, half of those die from heart disease, not cancer. E-cigarettes have no tar, thus the major risk is eliminated, and even in the FDA sponsored study the unvaporized liquid contained as many trace TSNAs as the nicotine patch, which is accepted as an acceptable risk by the medical community.

All objective evidence suggests if 1 in 7 people who otherwise would smoke would use alternative forms of nicotine delivery, whether it be NRPs, Snus, new dissolvable products, for the rest of their lives, the harm is reduced, and would be a huge net win for public health. From a business standpoint, e-cigarettes compete with both tobacco and cessation products, and competition and choice is typically a net win for consumers. Each time a user switches from cigarettes, they are taking an active step making the cigarette industry less viable. E-cigarettes have an edge in terms of price per use, and cigarette cessation rates. Conservative is the Boston study (Michael Siegel) citing twice as effective as the nicotine gum and patch, other studies suggest 78%.

There is the risk about a product that is destined to be obsolete, but the e-cigarette is nothing more than a portable Glade Plug-in, except it poses far less of a health impact. Glade Plug-ins use iso-paraffinic compounds which have a HMIS health rating of 2, moderate risk. E-cigarettes use propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin, which has a HMIS rating of 0. It's also a small scale fog machine, and potential for delivering other forms of medication exists. But as cigarettes are still legal, and smoking is still a social norm, the only way they'll be obsolete is if parents actually successfully promote cigarette abstinence.

So please, check your facts before publishing, and don't presume accepting someone's knee jerk reaction as fact as acting ethically. Having to shame someone to promote ethics suggests they're not ethical to begin with, and all objective evidence would suggest e-cigarettes solve a public health issue, not cause one.

Thank you for your time, and do have an inspirational day...

{me}
 

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I did not get a response, either.

Here is a link to the staff of the RIT news department as well.

I do think it's worth shooting one to the business school. After all, they were the ones that granted the award. The writer simply reported it, albeit in a way that did not tell the whole story and was misleading. I'm more curious to the rationale and lack of thought of the award itself.
 

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Did anyone notice that this article got pulled? At least I think it did. The link doesn't work, and I can't dig it up through either a search or looking at the Business School news section. Would be interesting...

Certainly an interesting observation. WWW remembers, but article is pulled from the site:rit.edu.

A bit OT, but worth a note: while searching the RIT site, it came up that the engineering department had a project in 2009 to develop an apparatus for e-cig evaluation and vapor analysis.
Project home page: P10055: Cigarette Smoking Machine B (System to Evaluate Electronic Cigarettes), project poster, technical paper, operating manual. Just good to see attempts in objective research, too.
 
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