E- cigs Don’t Actually Help People Quit Smoking, According To 84 Different Studies

[Painter_]

Yet more Glanz propaganda - Had I know this I would not of quit smoking using a e-cig.

http: //sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com
/2014/05/13/ucsf-e-cigarette-study-shows-devices-questionable-benefits/#comments

 

[Uma]

Well doh. They're NOT a smoking cessation product, they are a safer alternative. Accidentally quitting, or focused quitting is the next step of the journey if desired. This article is typical stoopid, created for the sole purpose of angst, hypertension & heart attack.

 

[Bobbilly]

It seems they forgot the birth of Zyban as smoking cessation. Just happened to notice those being treated for depression stopped smoking.

 

[jjordan]

I was on Zyban for depression and I still smoked lol I guess I was the 1:1,000,000 that happens to lol! I think that article is pure BS because it sure helped me quit smoking, almost 4 months now!

 

[Bobbilly]

I was thinking even when they compare it to NRT. You have to think that rate for vapourizers is despite negative press, zero support from health care professionals ( compared to NRTs). Imagine if education was used I'd say the rate would be a lot higher.

 

[Nate760]

How strange that smoking rates continue to go down at a rate almost inversely proportional to the rate of e-cig usage. How strange, also, that sales of cigarettes continue to go down at a rate almost inversely proportional to the increase in sales of e-cigs and personal vaporizers. While it's true that correlation does not equal causation, in some cases it requires an especially acute level of self-delusion to argue that no relationship exists between one and the other.

Quite simply, if e-cigs were functioning as a "gateway" to tobacco use, then cigarette sales should be increasing. Instead, they're decreasing at an ever-accelerating rate. If they really cared about eradicating tobacco use (which they obviously don't), people like Stan Glantz should be celebrating this fact.

 

[StormFinch]

How strange that smoking rates continue to go down at a rate almost inversely proportional to the rate of e-cig usage. How strange, also, that sales of cigarettes continue to go down at a rate almost inversely proportional to the increase in sales of e-cigs and personal vaporizers. While it's true that correlation does not equal causation, in some cases it requires an especially acute level of self-delusion to argue that no relationship exists between one and the other.

Quite simply, if e-cigs were functioning as a "gateway" to tobacco use, then cigarette sales should be increasing. Instead, they're decreasing at an ever-accelerating rate. If they really cared about eradicating tobacco use (which they obviously don't), people like Stan Glantz should be celebrating this fact.

Of course they don't care about eradicating tobacco use. There's no grant money or narcissistic parading in complete eradication.

 

[KurrptSenate]

got me to quit cold turkey

and my brother

my wife

my brothers girlfriend

must be true tho

 

[ibndevilish]

If I didn't vape I would still be smoking, I quit cold turkey from cigs and never looked back and I won't..The smell of the real cigs is revolting to say the least. I hate that my hubby and mom still smoke..They stink..That is terrible to say since I smoked since I was 11 and I will be 49 next month..I'm proud of myself my doctor is glad and she supports me using the provari..I will not call it a e-cig as they are not a cig in any form..You don't have to use nic if ya don't want to..What is your favorite cig that let's you pick your nic level? None!!

 

[Nate760]

Of course they don't care about eradicating tobacco use. There's no grant money or narcissistic parading in complete eradication.

Not to mention the fact that the fiscal viability of our major old-age entitlement programs (Social Security and Medicare) relies on large numbers of smokers dying from smoking-related disease when they're still too young to have collected many of the benefits to which they're entitled. If massive numbers of those people quit smoking and start living into their 80s and 90s, this will spell financial calamity.

 

[StormFinch]

Not to mention the fact that the fiscal viability of our major old-age entitlement programs (Social Security and Medicare) relies on large numbers of smokers dying from smoking-related disease when they're still too young to have collected many of the benefits to which they're entitled. If massive numbers of those people quit smoking and start living into their 80s and 90s, this will spell financial calamity.

Pharma profits from the stop smoking merry-go-round, Master Settlement Agreement funds for the states, federal and state taxes, grief and pharma donations to the alphabet soup associations, pharma fund gifting of medical schools and associations, the revolving door hiring policy between the CDC, FDA etc. and pharma companies... and on, and on, and on...

 

[Chimney34]

Wow! Really! I wonder what they consider all of the proof here of people who haven't touched a cig or used vaping to significantly reduce the number of cigs they smoke. I guess all of us are just invisible since these 84 studies say so. Blah blah blah blah blah

 

[StormFinch]

Wow! Really! I wonder what they consider all of the proof here of people who haven't touched a cig or used vaping to significantly reduce the number of cigs they smoke. I guess all of us are just invisible since these 84 studies say so. Blah blah blah blah blah

Didn't you know Chimney? We're anecdotes, as least that's what Frieden from the CDC calls us.

 

[Nate760]

Didn't you know Chimney? We're anecdotes, as least that's what Frieden from the CDC calls us.

Yup. There's no evidence that anyone has quit smoking with e-cigs. All we have is a few million unsubstantiated anecdotes.

 

[Chimney34]

Didn't you know Chimney? We're anecdotes, as least that's what Frieden from the CDC calls us.

Thanks for making me laugh StormFinch!
It just seems to be getting more & more ridiculous lately with all of the ecig scare tactics etc...that people are pushing around. I was watching the news the other day & one of the stories was about how ecigs are harmful to kids. I just laid there & laughed to myself. Aren't we the same country that advertised cigarettes using cartoon characters back in the day. And the whole thing about the different flavors being geared towards kids. It's a ridiculous! I smoked newports for 15 years (started when I was 15) & now I know they taste like it's obvious that us vapers are really cutting into their profits!

 

[Katya]

Yup. There's no evidence that anyone has quit smoking with e-cigs. All we have is a few million unsubstantiated anecdotes.

Actually, there is some evidence now

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/562771-33-uk-vapers-have-quit-smoking.html

And this is coming from ASH.

 

[notwithnsa]

Thank you for posting the truth. The tobacco companies aren't trying to outlaw E-Cigs it is big pharma. Every congress person fighting against E-Cigs gets a ton of money from them.

Here is the list if anyone wondered

.... Durbin (D-IL)
Henry A. Waxman (D-CA)
Tom Harkin (D-IA)
John D. Rockefeller (D-WV)
Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)
Edward J. Markey (D-MA)
Sherrod Brown (D-OH)
Jack Reed (D-RI)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ)

 

[Katya]

Thank you for posting the truth. The tobacco companies aren't trying to outlaw E-Cigs it is big pharma. Every congress person fighting against E-Cigs gets a ton of money from them.

Both BP and BT are implicated. They both stand to lose a lot of money if smokers choose e-cigarettes.

 

[Nate760]

Both BP and BT are implicated. They both stand to lose a lot of money if smokers choose e-cigarettes.

And they've both paid billions of dollars in bribe money to the government in exchange for a de facto monopoly, and protection against free-market competition, for their preferred cash cow products (cigarettes in the case of BT, NRTs in the case of BP). Any industry that poses a threat to those monopolies will be crushed by any means necessary. Our senators and congressmen do not cast their votes according to facts or personal conscience; they cast the votes their lobbyist paymasters instruct them to cast.

 

[e30holmes]

The studies wont tell you or anyone else but vaping is smoking in their eyes Ssooooooo with that error or miss use of words I guess it is true but missguided. Simple word play and they get the results they want. Go figure.....

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