E-cigs provide no-smoke option
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I didn't have a huge problem with Mr. Sarber's response, at least the tone of it. I think I'll contact him to at least encourage him to look further into e-cigs.
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mpetva, I just read that article and it kinda ...... me off a bit so I opened an account calling myself "Truth1" and wrote a little dissertation for them. So many half baked, poorly researched articles out there. Thanks for directing me to it. I feel better now 
..........OMG! I think I'm becoming an activist!
..........OMG! I think I'm becoming an activist!
pianoguy, seriously? didn't you notice the way he shot down any notion that e-cigs could be beneficial in the attempt to quit smoking? Or the way he used the phrase "some people say" to convey a false notion? This guy should write for Fox News.
I took his response to mean, to quit smoking altogether, not just to quit tobacco. To me, he seemed to not be applying the usual negative spin we've grown accustomed to. I sent him an e-mail to encourage him to check out the ECF and learn more about e-cigs.
I left a comment saying that he needs to make a decision: Is it better for smokers to strive for the ideal of nicotine abstinence and fail, or to stive for smoking abstinence and succeed? I went on to discuss the fact that people who switch to the smoke-free alternative had the same health improvements as those who quit all nicotine and that the reason the FDA nicotine products fail so often is because they don't provide sufficient and ongoing nicotine.
He was trying too hard to give both sides of the story, it seems. Looks to me as if he had nothing but positive things to put in the article, but had to try his damned hardest to give a negative spin.
He failed at giving the negative spin, so I guess that is a good thing.
He failed at giving the negative spin, so I guess that is a good thing.
From the article:
“All this is going to do is give people the opportunity to get nicotine in areas that they can’t use cigarettes,” Ken Saber, a health coordinator at Watkins Memorial Health Center who councils students trying to quit, said. “There is still a lot unknown about them, but I would never recommend this as a quit product.”
Isn't that what the patch does? Isn't that what the gum does?
I guess if I wear it on my arm it's safe, if I conceal it in my mouth, it's safe, if I hold it in my hand ZOMG CANCER.
AAPHP disagrees with his opinion, why weren't they represented in the article?
“All this is going to do is give people the opportunity to get nicotine in areas that they can’t use cigarettes,” Ken Saber, a health coordinator at Watkins Memorial Health Center who councils students trying to quit, said. “There is still a lot unknown about them, but I would never recommend this as a quit product.”
Isn't that what the patch does? Isn't that what the gum does?
I guess if I wear it on my arm it's safe, if I conceal it in my mouth, it's safe, if I hold it in my hand ZOMG CANCER.
AAPHP disagrees with his opinion, why weren't they represented in the article?
To clarify, by "he" I was referring to Ken Saber, the guy who was talking about how evil it was to be able to use nicotine all over the place.
Point very well made Elaine!! We all need to be putting forth that very message - switching produces 'almost all' the same benefits as quitting altogether and the very slight difference is not worth debating. As well as Professor Carl Phillips findings that if a committed smoker (at least one pack per day) were to continue smoking just thirty more days it would be more harmful than if they were to switch to electronic cigarettes for the rest of their life.
I don't know that he failed at the negative spin. Seemed to spin pretty negative to me. I think where he failed was in providing any positive spin. You don't even need to "spin" the positive and the negative is all B.S.
Commenter hkohler missed a great opportunity to point commenter Nelson (while he had his attention) to some good CASAA info about E-Cigs. I don't think his facebook link was as effective.
The 7 Biggest Electronic Cigarette Myths would have been a better choice. It's best not to get into a pissing contest with these people. When they are on the defensive they can't hear you. They're not even listening. They need to be made curious and then educate them. Keep this link handy for such occasions. There's a link to a PDF file with the same text somewhere but I don't remember where I saw it.
Let's face it though, Nelson has that classic non-smoker view that it's all about nicotine addiction. Nicotine is not the killer if it can be separated from lethal delivery systems that people can stay with. E-Cigs have the highest success rate by far. No contest. They need to be made to understand this point. They need to be made to understand that it's going to save the lives of hard-core committed smokers - like us!
We have to win them away from this "quit or die" mentality and in order to do this we need to win their respect and not confirm their belief that we are the enemy even if they are connected with BP or BT.
The 7 Biggest Electronic Cigarette Myths would have been a better choice. It's best not to get into a pissing contest with these people. When they are on the defensive they can't hear you. They're not even listening. They need to be made curious and then educate them. Keep this link handy for such occasions. There's a link to a PDF file with the same text somewhere but I don't remember where I saw it.
Let's face it though, Nelson has that classic non-smoker view that it's all about nicotine addiction. Nicotine is not the killer if it can be separated from lethal delivery systems that people can stay with. E-Cigs have the highest success rate by far. No contest. They need to be made to understand this point. They need to be made to understand that it's going to save the lives of hard-core committed smokers - like us!
We have to win them away from this "quit or die" mentality and in order to do this we need to win their respect and not confirm their belief that we are the enemy even if they are connected with BP or BT.
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I was trying to hit him with the facts plus how the alphabet soup gang is trying to screw us with the 'quit or die' mentality at the same time. Maybe I missed, I don't know know.
I was trying to hit him with the facts plus how the alphabet soup gang is trying to screw us with the 'quit or die' mentality at the same time. Maybe I missed, I don't know know.
Sorry, HKholer.
I meant no disrespect. It seems I'm guilty of "Monday Morning Quarterbacking".
In the heat of battle I seriously doubt that I would have done better.
Thank you for your effort.
I meant no disrespect. It seems I'm guilty of "Monday Morning Quarterbacking".
In the heat of battle I seriously doubt that I would have done better.
Thank you for your effort.
Nelson got me so worked up, I had to reply. Not the most articulate, but I tried.
Sounded good to me. I tried to register to comment but it won't let me. I wanted to ask Nelson why he thinks it's wrong to trade one addiction for another when in the same sentence he says to do this BUT only with FDA approved nicotine (my words, not his - same meaning). I would have flunked English 101 writing stuff like that.
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