E - Juice dripped in mouth

[xxxxthedudexxxx]

If E juice were dripped on something (food, paper, etc.) and then placed in the lip... could it be used as an alt to e-cig if perhaps the e-cig has broken? I'm wondering because I'm a cheap basxx and willing to forgo the extra costs of parts to find an alt way to utilize the juice

Yes I know you can make a mist etc. I'm talking about just using a drip or two mixed with some cadalist to produce same nicotine effect as smoking, dipping, etc. etc.

I was thinking a piece of paper mixed with a cake flavoring and one drop of juice between the cheek would work.

 

[lorikay13]

thats a really good way to end up in the ER.....or the morgue.

The major route of entry for nicotine is dermal...through the skin and mucous membranes. It is extremely speculative AT BEST to even think you know how much nicotine you are absorbing when you vape. The juice may say...36mg/ml...that tells you NOTHING about how much you are absorbing. Inhaling the vapor is a very inefficient way to absorb nicotine...so you could concievably vape enough nicotine with no ill effects that would kill you if applied directly to the skin all at once. And if you were to do something that stupid...apply enough nicotine to your skin to kill you...it would happen in a matter of seconds. It would also be the most excruciatingly painful few seconds you ever spent.

Catalyst...like what? The very idea of that is just insane....

Please buy an e-cig. There are LOTS of ways to put together a perfectly high quality kit for under $50. If your not in a hurry buy directly from China.

oh wait...I get it! It's april fools day....is this a joke? I don't mean to offend you but if this isn't a joke I want to make sure you understand how extremely dangerous what your talking about is.

 

[e-pipeman]

lorikay13 is not exaggerating. There is enough nicotine in a small cigar to kill you if injected. Do not attempt to do anything with e-liquid other than vape it. As for deliberately ingesting it - that's crazy. Try searching on snus on this forum - that may be what you're after.

 

[xxxxthedudexxxx]

Wow, I wouldn't think one drop would do so much harm.

 

[lorikay13]

The LD50 of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 40–60 mg (0.5-1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans.[41][42] Nicotine therefore has a high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as ......., which has an LD50 of 95.1 mg/kg when administered to mice. It is impossible however to overdose on nicotine through smoking alone (though a person can overdose on nicotine through a combination of nicotine patches, nicotine gum, and/or tobacco smoking at the same time).[43][44] Spilling an extremely high concentration of nicotine onto the skin can result in intoxication or even death since nicotine readily passes into the bloodstream from dermal contact.[45]

LD50 means the dosage required to kill 50% of a test population. Please note the vast difference between species. As well as the inherent nature of the term LD50....50%...it's a crap shoot. Do you really want to play that game?

 

[xxxxthedudexxxx]

I think we have stumbled upon a serious issue. The cap on these things should be made impossible to pop off (the little plastic peace that makes for drops and not pouring)... If that thing malfunctions... just one.. and the person spills it in their lap... well.. they could die. It only has to happen one time to be a bad thing.

 

[Pendarus]

I think we have stumbled upon a serious issue. The cap on these things should be made impossible to pop off (the little plastic peace that makes for drops and not pouring)... If that thing malfunctions... just one.. and the person spills it in their lap... well.. they could die. It only has to happen one time to be a bad thing.

Hold on! I think this is getting a bit out of hand! Myself and many others have gotten a mouth full of juice from overfilled carts, a hand covered in juice while filling carts, and I once poured 10ml of 24mg on my leg when the dripper came out of a bottle.

Lets not start a panic. While nicotine is a poison, not one of the spills and such as I and many others have had, have lead to nicotine poisoning or death. If it is as dangerous as you two are saying we would be seeing a rash of deaths across the world.

Lets use some common sense, if you get a mouth full of juice, spit it out. If you spill some on your skin, wipe it up, and wash the area. Keep it away from children, do not drink it, and do not let your pets play with the bottles.

It is exactly these types of exaggerations that will lead to an all out ban of E-Cigs and Nicotine liquid.

 

[sporkboy]

I have to agree about not stating a panic. Here is some hard data on Nicotine, for those who wish to read it. Nicotine does not cross membranes well. I would not recommend dripping nicotine liquid I would gust get some snus or Hard snuff.



Here are LD50 data from the MSDS on Nicotine and below other various

according to the MSDS not is the LD 50 is
ORAL - Rat - 50 mg/kg
intraperitoneal - mouse 5.9 mg/kg
administration onto skin - rabbit is 50 mg/kg
intravenous - mouse - 0.8mg/kg
administration onto skin - 140mg/kg

Risk Phrases
R25 Toxic if swallowed.
R27 Very toxic in contact with skin.
R51 Toxic to aquatic organisms.
R53 May cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment

Nicotine is a naturally occurring alkaloid found
primarily in the members of the Solanaceae family,
which includes tobacco, potato, tomato, green
pepper, and eggplant. Nicotine was first isolated and
determined to be the major constituent of tobacco
in 1828

TOXICOKINETICS
Absorption of nicotine
Nicotine absorption can occur through the oral
cavity, skin, lung, urinary bladder, and gastrointestinal
tract (5). Absorption of nicotine across biological
membranes depends on pH (5). In its ionised state,
such as in acidic environments, nicotine does not
rapidly cross membranes. The respiratory absorption
of nicotine is 60 % to 80 % (6). The rapid absorption of
nicotine from cigarette smoke through the lung occurs
because of the huge surface area of the alveoli and
because of dissolution of nicotine at physiological pH
(approximately 7.4), which facilitates transfer across
cell membranes. Absorption through the alveoli is
also dependent on the nicotine concentration in
the smoke. Nicotine is poorly absorbed from the
stomach due to the acidity of the gastric fluid, but
is well absorbed in the small intestine, which has a
more alkaline pH and a large surface area (5). Nicotine
base can be absorbed through the skin, and there
have been cases of poisoning after skin contact with
pesticides containing nicotine (7, 8). Likewise, there
is evidence of cutaneous absorption of and toxicity
from nicotine in tobacco field workers (6).

7.3 Carcinogenicity
Literature reports indicate that nicotine is neither an initiator nor a promoter of tumours in mice. There is inconclusive evidence to suggest that cotinine, an oxidized metabolite of nicotine, may be carcinogenic in the rat. (PDR, 1987).

Hold on! I think this is getting a bit out of hand! Myself and many others have gotten a mouth full of juice from overfilled carts, a hand covered in juice while filling carts, and I once poured 10ml of 24mg on my leg when the dripper came out of a bottle.

Lets not start a panic. While nicotine is a poison, not one of the spills and such as I and many others have had, have lead to nicotine poisoning or death. If it is as dangerous as you two are saying we would be seeing a rash of deaths across the world.

Lets use some common sense, if you get a mouth full of juice, spit it out. If you spill some on your skin, wipe it up, and wash the area. Keep it away from children, do not drink it, and do not let your pets play with the bottles.

It is exactly these types of exaggerations that will lead to an all out ban of E-Cigs and Nicotine liquid.

 

[Sherrick]

I think we have stumbled upon a serious issue. The cap on these things should be made impossible to pop off (the little plastic peace that makes for drops and not pouring)... If that thing malfunctions... just one.. and the person spills it in their lap... well.. they could die. It only has to happen one time to be a bad thing.

There is no serious issue. You're talking about spilling e-liquid, which has a relatively low percentage of nicotine in the overall solution. The risk factors discussed above were for nicotine alone. That is why the DIY folks you see on these forums have to be so very careful when mixing their vaping juices. The nicotine they work with is far more dangerous than the resulting juice they are making.

Taking any form of liquid nicotine into your mouth on purpose is potentially dangerous, depending upon the concentration of nicotine in the liquid you're using, the frequency with which you use it and a variety of other factors. The warnings above should be heeded. Cigarettes are dangerous to your health. So is vaping and e-liquid if you don't take reasonable precautions.

Sherrick

 

[lilith79]

I, too, have had juice leak into my mouth and with no ill effects. I have also, purposefully place a drop in my mouth when I was somewhere I couldn't vape but needed a quick fix. It was one drop of 16 mg juice that I put on my finger first and then in my mouth. I'm still alive and there were no ill effects. I wouldn't sweat it too much. I've even read advice on here telling someone to rub juice on their skin if they cannot vape and need a fix. Sure you shouldn't do that with high juice (I'd say over 24mg), but lower levels should be ok.

 

[candre23]

Lets do some math:

1 drop ~ .05ml

Lets say you're using high strength (24mg/ml) liquid.

.05 * 24 = 1.2mg of nicotine per drop.

A Marlboro light contains about .8mg of nicotine. So one drop of 24mg juice contains about 50% more nicotine than one marlboro light cigarette.

You also have to keep in mind that when smoking a cigarette, you only absorb some percentage of the nicotine. The rest is exhaled. If you were to put a drop in your mouth, you would absorb nearly all of the nicotine, and likely faster than you would by smoking a cigarette.

I do not recommend this method for nicotine delivery. I won't try it, and the math shows there is plenty of opportunity for accidental overdose.

 

[River]

I have spilled about a zillion ml of various liquids on myself and have yet to feel any effect.

Seriously at this point when I get it on me I rub it in and then lick my fingers if there is not a paper towel around.

I think there is just as little absobtion through the skin as there is when you vape it.

I have never actually ingested the stuff on purpose but I doubt that one drop would have much effect on you.

Prolly not the best idea in the world to try i but I seriously doubt there is any real danger.

 

[lorikay13]

okay...you guys keep making your decisions based on bits and pieces gleened from wikipedia or some other Internet site...I'll make mine based on 18 years of training in hazardous and poisonous substances.

Nobody is exagerating and nobody is trying to start a panic. But this man is talking about the completely uncontolled application of nicotine in the one manner that is known to be dangerous.

The point here is that this person is talking about embarking on a path...not a one shot event. Take it to it's logical conclusion knowing what any of us know about addictions and behavour. You get careless....you forget how much you have used....you can count cigarettes in the pack....beer cans in the trash...cartos etc. But this? Are you people telling me any of you would condone this ?

Why don't we make this a useful thread and help this guy put together an e-cig setup that he can afford ?

So I'll start.....dude....are you currently vaping and if so what products are you using?
Are you happy with the perfromance of the product...forget the price for now ?
Would you like us to help you find a more affordable and safe way to use e-juice than whatever your currently using?

 

[e-pipeman]

I, too, have had juice leak into my mouth and with no ill effects. I have also, purposefully place a drop in my mouth when I was somewhere I couldn't vape but needed a quick fix. It was one drop of 16 mg juice that I put on my finger first and then in my mouth. I'm still alive and there were no ill effects. I wouldn't sweat it too much. I've even read advice on here telling someone to rub juice on their skin if they cannot vape and need a fix. Sure you shouldn't do that with high juice (I'd say over 24mg), but lower levels should be ok.

Thanks for that. The trouble is that nicotine is a very, very nasty poison. Muck about with it and you could end up dead.

Here's a really good way to kill greenfly/blackfly and any other insect that you might hate. Put a smoker's cigarette ends into a bucket of water. Let it stew for a couple of days and voila - nicotine wash. Spray this on your petunias when they get infested and your insect pests will die. Quickly.

 

[Bagazo]

The OP stated placing e juice on something to use like snus. Well normal snus has 7-8 mg per portion and the sterk can have 17mg per portion. Nic lozenges and nic gum come in 2 and 4 mg doses. If 1 drop of 24mg/ml equals 1.2mg of nic then I would say that it is safe. I would imagine that if someone were to try it they would be disappointed with the amount of nic getting into their system and find themselves adding more drops to get the nic level up.

Just make sure you are placing the drop on something (cotton ball) and not inverting the bottle into your mouth. Would hate to think what would happen if the dropper top came loose.

 

[sporkboy]

okay...you guys keep making your decisions based on bits and pieces gleened from wikipedia or some other Internet site...I'll make mine based on 18 years of training in hazardous and poisonous substances.

Nobody is exagerating and nobody is trying to start a panic. But this man is talking about the completely uncontolled application of nicotine in the one manner that is known to be dangerous.

The point here is that this person is talking about embarking on a path...not a one shot event. Take it to it's logical conclusion knowing what any of us know about addictions and behavour. You get careless....you forget how much you have used....you can count cigarettes in the pack....beer cans in the trash...cartos etc. But this? Are you people telling me any of you would condone this ?

Why don't we make this a useful thread and help this guy put together an e-cig setup that he can afford ?

So I'll start.....dude....are you currently vaping and if so what products are you using?
Are you happy with the perfromance of the product...forget the price for now ?
Would you like us to help you find a more affordable and safe way to use e-juice than whatever your currently using?

I have to agree here, nicotine is best absorbed through the lungs as it has a hard time passing through mucus membranes, this is all done with tests of tobacco products as far as I can tell. liquefied nicotine is different. comparing the nicotine of snus and gum is very different as they both have mediums that control, the release of the nicotine. I am not worried about a spill of small amounts on my skin as the absorption rate is so poor that washing it off will be fine. now I am not going to be going and placing it on the same soft tissue over and over not knowing what even the topical effects of the tissue will be. Nor could I at all give someone my blessings to go and use reduced nicotine liquid in a way that concentrated nicotine liquid is know to have ill effects.

I am right there with you Lorikay, tell us what products you are using. battery mods can be mad at home very inexpensively, tell us what you are currently using and I am sure amongst this forum there will be some help from us.

 

[Mr.Frost]

To answer the OP's original question:

"It is inadvisable to use any product in a manner other than it's intended use."


Frost

 

[Kate51]

To answer the OP's original question:

"It is inadvisable to use any product in a manner other than it's intended use."


Frost

Mr. Frost, nice to see you up and about again! And really up with the times, I think that's great!

Dude, if you must, just go buy some good snus. There are many on the forum that could help you out with that! The main thing with e-cigs I think and so do a lot others, is to do no further harm. Why else would one want to throw away perfectly good tobacco cigarettes.

 

[Bagazo]

To answer the OP's original question:

"It is inadvisable to use any product in a manner other than it's intended use."


Frost

That is how most companies cover their backside but you are an adult and you are (or at least should be) free to do as you see best.

If a third party sees this as safe or unsafe in the end it is just their/my opinion based on whatever they/I consider convincing proof.

Here's something else that convinced me:

NICORETTE® Nasal spray - relieves strong nicotine cravings quickly

Remember: one dose = one spray in each nostril.

Nicorette Nasal Spray, £15.99, Discounts on Inhalation Aids Products

Nicorette Nasal Spray 10ml solution contains:

10mg/ml nicotine. Each spray contains 0.5mg of nicotine. It also contains Methyl and propyl parahydroxybenzoate, disodium edeate, disodium phosphate, sodium dihydrogen phosphate, sodium chloride, citric acid, polysorbate 80, water.


Each spray contains 0.5mg and a dose is two sprays so that is 1mg of nicotine up the nose along with all those other chemicals that are usually not found in e-juice.


And also our very own TropicalBob made a couple of videos showing some money saving tips including nasal spray and mouth spray made with ejuice here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/miscellaneous/76095-new-tropical-bob-videos.html

 

[callousparade]

Just saying, I've dropped juice on my arms on purpose when either my batt has died or i can't find my last atty... i'm still perfectly fine.

to whoever said that a cig had 0.9 mg of nicotine... you're incorrect. about 1-2 mg per cigarette of nicotine is absorbed through the lungs. Each cig has closer to 10 mgs of nicotine in it.

The standard patch delivers approximately 1-2 mg/hour. So one or two drops of ejuice would give close to that amount. (~20 drops to a mL, so one drop of 24mg strength liquid would be 1.2 mg of nicotine and two would be 2.4 mg).

Yeah, in the mouth sounds like a terrible, not to mention nasty tasting, way to dose... But juice on the skin, as long as you do your freaking math, shouldn't be a huge problem.