E-juice flavor question

[Vaslovik]

I was told by someone at a local B&M vape shop that the reason I don't get much flavor, if any, from VG juices is that VG is just not able to bind with and hold onto the flavoring used in it, and that PG is necessary for the flavor to come through or last any length of time at all in the juice. This would seem to make sense and corroborate my experience with 100% VG juices as those I have bought have proven harsh and tasteless.

These juices were also 18mg nic juices, which I was told accounts for the harshness of them, and also for them turning dark because of heat over time, that being attributed to the action of the nicotine in them when heated.

So, is any of this true?

 

[Dj_Jedi]

From what I've read pg is used to bring out and hold the flavor longer. Also from my experience from making DIY juices is that higher nicotine juice with the same amount of flavor concentrate seems to have less flavor. That could be the harshness causing that. I always use pg and vg juices so I don't know anything about 100% vg juices. I could be wrong since I'm still a newbie myself lol. Just tryin to help

 

[vjc0628]

I've been told a lot of nonsense I'm sorry for from local place's
I do know flav is supposed to come out better in PG but VG should still have a good amount of Flavor
There are a lot of good Flavored juice that is 100%VG
I am still trying to understand the whole VG/PG thing
It seem so far the juices with more VG seem to have a better heavier vapor to me I don't know
But the Flav is good
However if your juice is tasting burnt and turning dark in your tank
then something is wrong whether its the tank your using or voltage is too high or something else
Either way I suggest searching out this forum well before taking advice from a local shop
I learned that the hard way

 

[k-sider]

Definitely the higher the nicotine the more you will have harshness/throat hit. I've never tried pure vg. From what i've read it is very thick and would have a hard time wicking. I think the pg definitely thins out the liquid and it will work better.

FWIW, I have bought juices premade from nicquid, and looking at the ingredients it is 60% pg, 40% vg, which is obviously a good balance for the average ecig user.

 

[Mike36609]

I was told by someone at a local B&M vape shop that the reason I don't get much flavor, if any, from VG juices is that VG is just not able to bind with and hold onto the flavoring used in it, and that PG is necessary for the flavor to come through or last any length of time at all in the juice. This would seem to make sense and corroborate my experience with 100% VG juices as those I have bought have proven harsh and tasteless.

These juices were also 18mg nic juices, which I was told accounts for the harshness of them, and also for them turning dark because of heat over time, that being attributed to the action of the nicotine in them when heated.

So, is any of this true?

Not true as far as 100% VG juice having little to zero flavor, blatantly untrue. I am not a juice expert, and I don't DIY, however I have vaped a large volume of 100% (or as close as I can get depending on vendor) VG liquid over the past 18 months. I have had many different 100% VG juices from numerous vendors that have been rich and full of flavor...

Tennessee Cured, Ranier and Island from Johnson Creek
Caramel Creme from Virgin Vapor
Gorilla Juice, Bobas Bounty, Havana Gold and many others from Alien Visions E-Juice
Legend, Heavenly Army and Mocha Java Smooth, among others from Heathers Heavenly Vapes

...I could go on with this list but I think you get the point. My all time favorite juice is Hype (peach flavored) from Alien Vision E-juice, it is great, full of flavor, though it is 90/10 VG to PG. If I remember correctly the top juices in the annual ECF poll were all VG juices. If you are having a problem with VG juices I would recommend trying different vendors and/or different juices.

To the best of my knowledge, again not a juice expert, the change in color of liquid is not related to the nic in the juice, but rather the result of exposure of the juice to sunlight and heat, and the buildup of gunk on the atty/carto coils leaching back into the juice. I see no noticeable difference vaping Hype at 18 mg versus Hype at 6 mg as regards the change in color of the juice.

 

[mrs.c]

Ok my first question for you is are you getting your juice made fresh, are they making it when you order? If so the taste and t/h may just mean that your juice needs to steep. Second what kind of atty are you using? The type of tank has a great deal to do with flavor as well. The difference between pg and vg:
Vg: less t/h, sweeter flavor, thicker juice, thicker vape
Pg: more t/h, flavorless (meaning you only get the flavor of the juice), thinner juice, less vapor production.
It is usually listed as pg/vg ie. 20/80 would be 20 pg 80 vg. If you want less throat hit and better vapor go higher vg. Vg does mute the flavor but not to a point where its all that noticable. Try a 60/40 or 50/50 and see what you like best then adjust from there.

 

[Amish Ed]

PG does carry flavor better, but VG does fine too. Otherwise juices like Boba's Bounty wouldn't sell so well. VG is thick though and depending on the juice delivery system you use it can cause dry hits. These will taste horrid and be very harsh. Sound familiar? What are you using for your setup?

 

[Vaslovik]

Ok my first question for you is are you getting your juice made fresh, are they making it when you order? If so the taste and t/h may just mean that your juice needs to steep. Second what kind of atty are you using?

Well at present I'm using 4 different tanks, the best of which is my Kanger Protank, then there is the knock-off counterfeit Mini Nova, an iClear 16 dual coil tank, a rebuildable from e-cigpros, and one of their disposable tanks that's still going.

The batteries I have are a Vision 1300 MaH spinner, and a couple of 1100 MaH generic batteries. Doubtless the hardware will continue to increase while I'm Looking for Mr. Goodvape.

Ummm... no, I'm not getting the juice made fresh, except in one case, and then it was a PG/VG blend, 18 mg nic, and just horridly harsh. Won't do that again. I'm definitely going the DIY route ASAP. By mixing juices from my growing collection I've come up with something that's pretty good.

 

[cdub_edmond]

The color change has to do with heat exposure. Steeping is critical for 100% VG Juice. In my personal DIY experience, 21 days is a fair amount of time to let your juice steep. Most "local" shops do no steep for any period of time, as they are trying to get their product sold as quickly as they can make it. Try buying some and letting it sit for 3 weeks. I would bet you have a better experience. Also, using the proper delivery method with 100% VG Juice is critical. The cheap atomizers will not deliver well and cartomizers have a hard time delivering the thicker juice. You really should look at some type of RBA if you really want a pure VG juice. Like Svoe Mesto Kayfun!! Easy to build and an excellent vape with 100% VG!!

 

[mrs.c]

Sounds like you just need to steep an rba is also a great idea for 100% vg too that takes you into all the fun stuff!

 

[Vaslovik]

You really should look at some type of RBA if you really want a pure VG juice. Like Svoe Mesto Kayfun!! Easy to build and an excellent vape with 100% VG!!

Uhhhh... yeah.... i looked up Svoe Mesto Kayfun, it's on YouTube, and I get some guy speaking German and I can't understand him. So much for that.

 

[Vaslovik]

Sounds like you just need to steep an rba is also a great idea for 100% vg too that takes you into all the fun stuff!

Well I do have my Kanger Protank, that's an RBA isn't it? I mean I can re-coil and re-wick it, so I have that, unless I'm not getting the meaning of an RBA.

 

[mrs.c]

You can rebuild it, but for my vg juices I prefer to drip. My first rba was a Phoenix v4. Easy to rebuild works on an ego great flavor and vapor production. Then you can move into mechanical mods and bigger rba's. But you may want to get the hang of a clearo first cuz rba's cunfuzed the heck out of me at first. The protank is a great set up and you should get great flavor from it. When I get a batch of fresh juice that has to steep I go down to a b&m and get a bottle of juice but I check the birthday and make sure its at least 2 weeks old. That I'll vape until my other juice is ready.

 

[gmmopp]

I am a newb vaper and have only tried juices from a B&M Totally Wicked. I have recently ordered juice from Velvet Cloud Vapor and HHV with varying PG/VG ratios. I'm hoping that the flavor stands out more because I am not getting a lot from TW. I assume that some of the reason is that I have only recently stopped smoking and it may take a bit for the taste buds to bounce back.

 

[cdub_edmond]

Uhhhh... yeah.... i looked up Svoe Mesto Kayfun, it's on YouTube, and I get some guy speaking German and I can't understand him. So much for that.

Go to Todd's reviews Todds Reviews and look up the Kayfun 3.1. Its quite pricy, but probably the best bottom fed, with air/juice control on the market.

 

[cdub_edmond]

Well I do have my Kanger Protank, that's an RBA isn't it? I mean I can re-coil and re-wick it, so I have that, unless I'm not getting the meaning of an RBA.

A kanger protank would not be considered a rebuildable atomizer (RBA)

 

[glowplug]

Vaslovik: I will not tell you what an RBA is, because I will certainly get it wrong. So, hopefully someone will give you a good definition here or you can look for the abbreviation thread. We now know that the Pro Tank is NOT a rebuildable atomizer (RBA). I look forward to a good definition. I get easily confused with the terminology, still, and I have looked it up repeatedly. CRS syndrome for sure! (can't remember ....e).

 

[DEAN W]

I also DIY and its really all about preference, PG does hold a little better flavor than VG. I prefer somewhere around 40/60 or 30/70 im not a big fan of PG harsh to me, The way I look at it is VG gives more vapor and smoother hit PG and NIC create harsher hit or TH.

There are people that vape 100% PG and people that vape 100% VG. " Preference "

Almost all juices will change colors when steeped, If juice is left in sunlight or heat its like speed steeping and when left over a period of time will turn bad. There are little tricks like steeping in warm water, microwave and so on which speed up the process in marriage between the ingredients and that is what the sunlight and heat are doing to the juice which in turn shortens shelve life. There are also more things that happen in sunlight but I've gone off on a little tangent so I will leave it at that.

Just keep your juice in a dark dry cool place, you and the juice will be much happier campers.

2 Things create throat hit Nic and PG. So If the 18mg Nic is to harsh try less nic.

Oh lord someone stop me from typing..............

 

[AMBKJ]

Today I received a new bunch of liquid. I always get the same flavor, and 100% VG, from the same source. I been trying to stock up a little. When I opened the case I keep them in I noticed the batches made in April have turned dark and orange. (Pure Cinnamon flavor). The new ones, as usual, are light yellow. They have been stored in a box (in the dark), and also kept cool because I was living in a basement the last year & 1/2. I think this is odd.