E-Liquid. Are you getting what you pay for ?

[Kate]

The clause has gone now so we don't need to worry about newbies being suckered into an unreasonable contract with that particular company for now either.

 

[smoking gnu]

And people that very well be making good and inexpensive ejuice will be regulated out of the market. I think it's a bit hypocritical that you want your choice of what to buy, but don't care about the supplier's choice of what to sell or how to limit costs. Maybe we should require clinical testing and certifiable ingredients for you home cookers out there too, just to make sure it's fit for your own consumption. It's your responsibility to ensure that the ejuice you're consuming (remember, suppliers aren't shoving it down your throat) be safe. Otherwise, why are you vaping the stuff? Some people are fine buying unproven goods, because they can be much much cheaper. You're not. Pay more, but don't tell them they can't pay less.

The simple fact is, Kate, your requests could easily be met by any supplier. At a price. If they see a large demand, they may just go for it. As it stands, I see pretty much all suppliers as a bit shady. I would certainly be willing to pay for proven quality ejuice, and from the sound of it you would too. I fully support you in that endeavour, but I would rather the government stay the hell out of ecigs completely, because it's none of their business what I put in me.

I do think it would be neat to work out a specific set of requests that suppliers meet, leave the politics out completely and just say:
a) we want provably good ingredients
b) instead of force feeding mice ejuice, pump nicotine-free vape into their cage
etc.

Ok e liquid suppliers may not be shoving it down our throats but they are sell an extremely addictive drug. FACT. Free choice is a tricky subject when it comes to addiction. So lets not mince words, they are basically drug pushers with internet shops. If you are getting free e liquid from your supplier please let me know who he is. Because I pay for mine roughly the same price whatever supplier I use.


I started e cigs as I believe most people do because I think they are a healthier alternative to smoking tobacco. At leased when you buy a pack of cigarettes you know what your getting, that’s death in a pack but they work with no unreliable expensive electronic devises that you need to keep your addiction going. So don’t forget that the relationship between the supplier and customer is not one of charity and kindness, this industry is built on us being addicted to nicotine and them making money from selling it to us. I’m ok with that I enjoy my addiction, and when I get good services for my money I’m happy.


But good quality products and lists of ingredients are certainly not too much to ask for the price we already pay.
This will eventually be forced on the suppliers with regulation, the smart suppliers are getting this sorted out before the sh@* hits the fan. It will be a case of natural selection. And if they cant shape up they will have to ship out. I don’t think I will lose any sleep over that. So I honestly think the companies and suppliers who are willing to back up their products will be the ones who will stay in this game.

 

[Josiah]

=D And they get my purchases.

 

[smoking gnu]

=D And they get my purchases.

Sorry buddy I did not read all your post . This is what happens when you wash all your atomizers at the same time and dont get a fix. lol

 

[Josiah]

I wasn't arguing that they were either morally right, and suggested they were all pretty shady in my book. If you don't want to 'mince' words then you have to admit it's our responsibility what we put into our body. Just because we either irresponsibly use something or get addicted to it doesn't mean that it's the supplier's fault, but rather our own.

You weren't always addicted, neither was I. I wanted to be cool when I was a kid. I don't blame Marlboro for my own choices. Just like I don't blame Smirnoff when I drink to much and make an ... of myself. (Luckily much less often since the high liver enzyme scare)

I agree, I just think that if we talk with our money instead of begging papa government to fix everything we're better off in more than one way. As an example, how quickly did Janty change their stance? Kate mentioned it, and it was done. Just that little bit of pressure. If all of us got ...... what would happen?

 

[Josiah]

Sorry buddy I did not read all your post . This is what happens when you wash all your atomizers at the same time and dont get a fix. lol

No problem. I was typing as you posted the other one. Well, I was cleaning. Getting up and coming back is part of the editing process, which is why I'm falling behind on posts, and still posted a retort. (Also sorry for the double post here, same excuse as the turtle posting speed.)

 

[tribalmasters]

What!? No Kate V Trog mega fight!?

 

[trog100]

What!? No Kate V Trog mega fight!?

nah.. we just spar a little now.. thow i am sure the argumentative woman is bound to disagree.. he he he

trog

 

[SMILIN]

Just TT the people you buy from, make an educated decision, and Buy fro the ones you TRUST,


I buy from Janty, Kick, Pillbox, and Steve.

Favorites seem to be Janty, and Kick for the VALUE, taste, selection, service. Kick has the best selection on hand, with real unusual flavors, and choices from no nic-24mg ex. I am realizing the 36mg is even too much for me, when I smoke alot, even though I used to smike up to 5 packs plus of kools a day. We gotta be careful, end realistic here.

oops, did mwa just say that?



BTW, I would most likely try and buy more from europe if the dollar was stronger. Cannot justify the price of Freesmoke as of this time, and propbably will not buy from Pillbox, unless the flavors BLOW me away. I am finding that experimenting with mixtures, is VERY satisfying