E-liquid bottle designs are geared toward kids

[pennysmalls]

We need to put this issue to bed. Adults are apparently not allowed to like artwork, especially colorful artwork. If it's colorful and pleasing to the senses and in a frame it's art, if it's placed on a bottle of e liquid it becomes a lure to small children to get them addicted to nicotine. Come on! Some of the bottles I have are pretty artistic/creative and very eye catching, I would say unique. Some vendors even have a specific style of art and are easily recognized because of it. If you could stand before a panel of the FDA Einstiens who came up with this garbage what would you say to defend e liquid artwork?

 

[AndriaD]

I would say that those who keep trying to demonize e-cigs are really reaching, now that it's been shown that young people are NOT vaping in droves. It's pitiful, really; they're so determined that SOMETHING be wrong with anything vape-related, they're just grabbing at every stray thing that comes into their tiny little minds, which clearly cannot perceive real truth when it's shown to them.

Andria

 

[pennysmalls]

Agree, these e-cig antagonists are grasping at any straw they can get their hands on. And what's saddest of all, to me, is that they would stoop so low as to literally accuse the average American citizen, because that's what a vaper is, of purposely harming children. That's a serious accusation and one that is really beginning to piss me off. E liquid vendors have children and according to the these yahoo's we don't care about our children, in fact we're trying to harm our own kids.

 

[BlueCanary]

Like I've said before…"Won't someone pleeeease think of the chiiiiildren!" is the way to use irrational fear to turn people against something so that it can be demonized and controlled. I just bought a 12 pack of Christmas beer today in which every flavor features a different cartoon Christmas character on the label. Is that geared to children? Doesn't matter…because it's a product for adults, and the responsibility was on the store to card me and make sure I was of age before they sold it to me. I've said similar things when people talk about how "they" are claiming that flavored ejuice is geared towards children….why is sweet flavored ejuice bad and "targeted towards kids" and needs to be banned, but grape blunts and cotton candy flavored vodka are OK? Could it be because the government makes fat tax revenue off the blunts and the vodka, but they haven't quite figured a way to get their grubby paws on any money from ejuice yet?

Even when I was smoking, and people would say Joe Camel was targeted towards kids…I'd have to point out that I started smoking at 14, and of all the many reasons I made that choice, not one of them was because Joe Camel was such a neato character that I wanted to be like. Obviously, the idea that Joe Camel was out to hook kids on cigarettes with his suave cartoony awesomeness was originated by people who wanted to demonize smoking, and taken as gospel and parroted back by people who obviously have never smoked a day in their lives. This is just another way to get people who might otherwise be ambivalent to vaping to be against it…make it seem like it's dangerous to those precious kiddos, and suddenly Jane Q. Mamabear who doesn't really have an opinion one way or another on vaping because it isn't really even on her radar will fight to the death to get vaping banned because it might hurt her cubs.

 

[AndriaD]

Like I've said before…"Won't someone pleeeease think of the chiiiiildren!" is the way to use irrational fear to turn people against something so that it can be demonized and controlled. I just bought a 12 pack of Christmas beer today in which every flavor features a different cartoon Christmas character on the label. Is that geared to children? Doesn't matter…because it's a product for adults, and the responsibility was on the store to card me and make sure I was of age before they sold it to me. I've said similar things when people talk about how "they" are claiming that flavored ejuice is geared towards children….why is sweet flavored ejuice bad and "targeted towards kids" and needs to be banned, but grape blunts and cotton candy flavored vodka are OK? Could it be because the government makes fat tax revenue off the blunts and the vodka, but they haven't quite figured a way to get their grubby paws on any money from ejuice yet?

Even when I was smoking, and people would say Joe Camel was targeted towards kids…I'd have to point out that I started smoking at 14, and of all the many reasons I made that choice, not one of them was because Joe Camel was such a neato character that I wanted to be like. Obviously, the idea that Joe Camel was out to hook kids on cigarettes with his suave cartoony awesomeness was originated by people who wanted to demonize smoking, and taken as gospel and parroted back by people who obviously have never smoked a day in their lives. This is just another way to get people who might otherwise be ambivalent to vaping to be against it…make it seem like it's dangerous to those precious kiddos, and suddenly Jane Q. Mamabear who doesn't really have an opinion one way or another on vaping because it isn't really even on her radar will fight to the death to get vaping banned because it might hurt her cubs.

Hmmm... I'd have to admit, really, that the awesome coolness of Chester Cheetah is part of my continuing love-affair with Cheetos. Or maybe it's just the MSG.

Seriously... seen the recent commercial with the cute lil tykes on the horn to Santa, asking for cars and trucks? I pointed out to my husband that cars and trucks are no more for kids than e-cigs are, but if they put a commercial for e-cigs on TV with kids asking Santa for them, horrors! Every hysterial ANTZ in America would have a stroke. Or maybe an orgasm, as they called up their in-the-pocket congressperson to raise hell about The Blasphemy That Is Vaping, hooking every child who ever hears the word "vaping".

Andria

Andria

 

[pennysmalls]

Great post BlueCanary! It was the same for me, I didn't start smoking because of any ads or marketing designs catching my eye. I had easy access to alcohol as a teenager and I can tell you it didn't matter one bit what was on the label, as long as it had alcohol in it I was good to go. Kids know that when something is taboo and they want it, it doesn't matter what it looks like, as long as it can be had fast and does what it's supposed to do.

 

[BlueCanary]

Great post BlueCanary! It was the same for me, I didn't start smoking because of any ads or marketing designs catching my eye. I had easy access to alcohol as a teenager and I can tell you it didn't matter one bit what was on the label, as long as it had alcohol in it I was good to go. Kids know that when something is taboo and they want it, it doesn't matter what it looks like, as long as it can be had fast and does what it's supposed to do.

EXACTLY. It wasn't marketing, it wasn't TV, it wasn't the movies…it was that smoking was evil and naughty and forbidden. Drinking was evil and naughty and forbidden. By the time I turned 18 I was hooked on the nicotine so I kept smoking, but when I turned 21 some of the shine wore off alcohol, and I actually drank less because once it was legal it somehow wasn't as exciting.

You want to really market something to kids? Tell them that they can't have it. Make it seem really dangerous, like mom and dad would be really upset if they caught them with it. If we could figure out a way to make eating veggies and playing outside seem forbidden and just for grownups, all the kids in America at least would be so healthy and fit from sneaking broccoli and running off to play in the woods instead of staring at a screen all day that we wouldn't know what to do with them.

Wanting to do something because we're told we can't do it is basic human nature, especially when you're a kid and you're trying to learn how to exert your own personality.

 

[crxess]

Nuff Said

 

[BlueCanary]

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Natural selection?

 

[pennysmalls]

EXACTLY. It wasn't marketing, it wasn't TV, it wasn't the movies…it was that smoking was evil and naughty and forbidden. Drinking was evil and naughty and forbidden. By the time I turned 18 I was hooked on the nicotine so I kept smoking, but when I turned 21 some of the shine wore off alcohol, and I actually drank less because once it was legal it somehow wasn't as exciting.

You want to really market something to kids? Tell them that they can't have it. Make it seem really dangerous, like mom and dad would be really upset if they caught them with it. If we could figure out a way to make eating veggies and playing outside seem forbidden and just for grownups, all the kids in America at least would be so healthy and fit from sneaking broccoli and running off to play in the woods instead of staring at a screen all day that we wouldn't know what to do with them.

Wanting to do something because we're told we can't do it is basic human nature, especially when you're a kid and you're trying to learn how to exert your own personality.

Good ole reverse psychology lol! Thanks for the funny images you brought to mind!

 

[Nermal]

Man, that stuff does look tasty. And the jar looks exactly like the ones sold at Sam's, full of atomic fireballs and peppermint patties.

 

[pennysmalls]

I guess my main point to this thread is that people are being accused of something they are not doing, purposely targeting children. This isn't just about the old tired save the children song and dance though that certainly is part of it. These accusations are serious and it's the accusing and the accusation that needs to be addressed. It's not just wrong but very wrong and people/vapers should be mad as hell over this. I'm taking this very personally because I am a vaper and consider myself one and the same as those of us who make and sell e liquid.

 

[stevegmu]

Has the FDA stated e-nic is targeted at children? I don't see a link...

 

[pennysmalls]

Read any one of these letters to state AG's.

Democratic Leaders Urge FDA Action, Call for State Attorneys General to Classify E-Cigarettes Under the Master Settlement Agreement | Committee on Energy and Commerce Democrats

 

[stevegmu]

But you said it was the FDA...

If you could stand before a panel of the FDA Einstiens who came up with this garbage

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

I always thought kids smoked to be more adult, at least I did. The laaaast thing I would have wanted was cartoon marketing or juice box flavours. It's the adults who want to feel youthful.

 

[stevegmu]

I think some are geared more to teens, not children. Like energy drinks...

 

[pennysmalls]

But you said it was the FDA...

Are you implying the FDA has not employed the save the children theme? And the FDA has become a blanket term for any governmental entity/person which is backing the proposed FDA deeming regulations, at least it has for me.

 

[stevegmu]

Are you implying the FDA has not employed the save the children theme? And the FDA has become a blanket term for any governmental entity/person which is backing the proposed FDA deeming regulations, at least it has for me.

I asked for a link. Ok, everyone is now the FDA...

 

[pennysmalls]

Do you have an opinion on the topic otherwise steve? Anything constructive to add?