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[CHEMTRAIL]

I know this post doesn't really belong here, but with the 5 posts before being able to start a thread rule It's where it ended up, maybe someone with some insight will stumble upon it. The question I have is concerning natural extraction from for example fruits. I have made a NET juice previously and I assume that the process would have to be similar, but am at a loss as to where to start? I haven't been able to find any real information concerning this in my searches online, any help will be greatly appreciated. TIA, ECF.

 

[WonderDude32]

You can extract certain things like tobacco or tea in a PG or VG solution with varied results. It doesn't come out right very often even after months of steeping. I've looked into flavoring extracts in depth. It would be so expensive for you to extract a flavor let's say from a strawberry, that it would take you vaping the rest of your days to pay for 1/10th the cost of the equipment and make up the difference. Plus a master's degree in bio-chemistry wouldn't hurt. That's not an exaggeration. Flavorings are not simply steeped fruits. The oils must be removed as well as any residual pesticides. I thought it was a great idea at first but soon realized that it's MUCH safer to buy flavoring from a reputable manufacturer.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Search tobacco extraction using the search function. Lots of stuff on it here.

 

[Susan~S]

Couple of other major flavoring companies you could look at -- Inawera, Flavor Arts.

 

[Kaezziel]

A lot of times, flavoring doesn't come out well if you're only using one flavor. You need to add depth and complimenting flavors to build a profile. For example, if you wanted a peach flavored vape, you might try the following flavors from TFA: Juicy Peach, Vanilla Swirl, and a touch of Sweetener... maybe even a bit of Sweet Cream. I have never been able to get a decent mix using only one flavor, but YMMV.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

What flavor is not available? Calamari? I thought we had about all the flavors imaginable?

 

[Kaezziel]

What flavor is not available? Calamari? I thought we had about all the flavors imaginable?

Nope... they've got that one too... powder form, but I'm sure you could dissolve it in PG if you so desired.......
Squid Flavor Extract

 

[Susan~S]

I am very interested in doing tobacco extracts but have had little success.

Here's a Forum just for you: Liquid Extraction From Tobacco | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[Completely Average]

Another issue I have is some flavors are just really off... especially berry flavors, they always come of "perfumey" for lack of a better word outside of Cap's strawberry which is more of a compote type of flavor and is more of what I am looking for from a blueberry, blackberry and other berry flavors. Most berry flavors lack any body at all and it's frustrating.

I would suggest giving FlavourArt a try.

Their flavors tend to be much more natural tasting. In my experience a lot of the American flavoring companies such as TFA and Capella tend to make more candy flavors, so a strawberry tastes more like a strawberry Jolly Rancher than it does a real strawberry. FlavourArt is much closer to the real thing. They aren't perfect, but they're much better than anyone else I've found. Their flavors are also very high concentrates and rarely need more than 5% to get what you want out of them. Most of the time I'm only using 3% flavoring.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I am very interested in doing tobacco extracts but have had little success. Does anyone have any input regarding steep time, or expedited steep time for tobacco saturated PG? Also can I premix PG/VG ratio and then steep or completely leave out the VG until after ?

Try Flavor Concentrates, NO artificial ingredients and NO perfumy. Their blueberry is excellent, Strawberry is good but better if mixed with some cap sweet strawberry. Watermelon is an ADV for me. Not tried the blackberry. Their peach is good but better if mixed with some CAP{ juicy peach. As I said no aftertaste, perfumy, etc just good.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

CAP sweet mango is amazing. My daily vape is 5% CAP sweet mango 3% TFA mango 3% TFA guava and 1% TFA Koolada.

Every mango I have tried is horrible. Not tried CAP though.
I still have about 6 new CAP flavors to try

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Yeah it is largely in the mix. Mango alone doesn't taste right as a vape, the sweet mango has kind of a smokey flavor to it that adds body but it still isn't good until the guava is in the mix. The Koolada is optional but I've been adding it to everything lately for the throat feel, without the koolada nothing tastes right to me anymore.

Cap has by far the best vanilla custard as well. The only thing that sucks about cap flavors is that they aren't as strong. I find that I use about twice as much Cap as I do any other flavor brands.

Yeah but using more is worth it to not have the perfumy and aftertaste aspects.
I have the bitter gene and I feat that mango will always taste bitter to me. I tried a mango fruit drink once, just once.
Their vanilla custard does not take much, it is potent but smooth.

 

[hashtag]

Yeah but using more is worth it to not have the perfumy and aftertaste aspects.
I have the bitter gene and I feat that mango will always taste bitter to me. I tried a mango fruit drink once, just once.
Their vanilla custard does not take much, it is potent but smooth.

I agree with that, nothing worse than a perfume taste in a fruit. I have two 4 oz. bottles of the custard I use it in almost everything to give the creamy smooth flavor. I used to go through tons of vanilla tobacco type flavors and desserts when I first quit smoking but recently the fruity flavors have grown on me. Once I forgot what cigarettes tasted like it opened up a whole new world of options.

I actually don't mind it a little bitter. I made a mix last night out of some flavors that were almost empty just to use them and it ended up tasting like a white wine. I don't like drinking wine but I've vaped through 3 tanks of this stuff in a day. That's what makes DIY so fun, sometimes you stumble across something you don't expect.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Ahh the Heinz 57 ejuice.

 

[CHEMTRAIL]

I do not know of any fruit there is not a flavoring for.
Gooseberry?
Nope found that one with google.

and I have serious doubts that an amateur could extract flavors that taste better than a professional flavoring company can. And this most definitely includes myself.

tobacco extraction may be an exception simply for getting the flavor you want.

Yeah, it's not really fruit flavors that I am unable to find, just the type of fruit flavors I am looking for seem to be unavailable from my experience, I was using that as an example here. I also like to play around with herbal flavors and haven't found much by way of those types of flavors. I like a more balanced profile in my juices sometimes, something a little different, super sticky sweet flavors all the time gets tiring. I guess my point more with the fruit flavors was things like blueberry come off tasting horrid from any flavor maker I have as of yet tried. They're airy, almost perfumey in nature and lack any body at all. They're also usually laced with tons of ethyl alcohol in my experience and the flavor dies down horribly to a flat and dimensionless flavor as soon as that's been breathed out of the juice. I dunno, maybe I am asking for too much and should just stick to sweet on sweet on sweet flavor profiles and leave the berry flavors alone completely?

 

[hashtag]

Yeah, it's not really fruit flavors that I am unable to find, just using that as an example. I also like to play around with herbal flavors and haven't found much by way of those types of flavors. I like a more balanced profile in my juices sometimes, something a little different, super sticky sweet flavors all the time gets tiring. I guess my point more with the fruit flavors was things like blueberry come off tasting horrid from any flavor maker I have as of yet tried. They're airy, almost perfumey in nature and lack any body at all. They're also usually laced with tons of ethyl alcohol in my experience and the flavor dies down horribly to a flat and dimensionless flavor as soon as that's been breathed out of the juice. I dunno, maybe I am asking for too much and should just stick to sweet on sweet on sweet flavor profiles and leave the berry flavors alone completely?

A mix that goes well with a beer and may fit your preferred flavor profile is.... 5% vanilla tobacco 3% bavarian cream, 3% vanilla custard and a few drops of cinnamon. I use TFA for all but the custard, for that I use the Cappellas.

 

[CHEMTRAIL]

The problem I am running into is that many times the flavors I am looking for either aren't available from major flavoring manufacturers (TFA, FW or CAP, I won't mess with LorAnne, it's too concentrated and in my experience invariably yields poor results), or the flavor is far too weak to make a good mix out of. I run into the weak flavor issue with FW's flavors mostly, even at 20+% the blood orange flavor is just lackluster. I know it's not an issue of over flavoring either, I've mixed it everywhere from 7.5% to 20% and with varied, but similar results, it's just not good flavoring. Are there other flavor retailers I should be looking into sourcing that may have a better variety? Is there an easier way to work with natural flavor extracts and work from that direction? I know there are some organic juice lines on the market that must do so somehow, any idea on what to stay away from in extracts?

 

[CHEMTRAIL]

Another issue I have is some flavors are just really off... especially berry flavors, they always come of "perfumey" for lack of a better word outside of Cap's strawberry which is more of a compote type of flavor and is more of what I am looking for from a blueberry, blackberry and other berry flavors. Most berry flavors lack any body at all and it's frustrating.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Do you know a way to make your fruit extracts free of sugar?