E-liquid question
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I can't remember what PG/VG stand for.
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what it means is Flavor/Vapor. VG is mostly just water and lets say you buy juice with 75%/25% that means your going to get more of a flavorful hit than vapor. 25/75 is more vapor, less flavor. Hope I helped, welcome to the forum!
VG: vegetable glycerin
PG: propylene glycol
all juices are ready to use out of the bottle!
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what it means is Flavor/Vapor. VG is mostly just water and lets say you buy juice with 75%/25% that means your going to get more of a flavorful hit than vapor. 25/75 is more vapor, less flavor. Hope I helped, welcome to the forum!
VG: vegetable glycerin
PG: propylene glycol
all juices are ready to use out of the bottle!
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not necessarily some flavor concentrates list the solvent, PG, VG, Ethyl Alcohol, distilled water.. and list the percent that is used.
what you want to see is, it labeled "E-liquid or E-juice" a flavor(s) and the nicotine content.
if it also lists the PG / VG % then great.
if it says "flavoring" or "flavor concentrate" or "intended for dilution" then you will want to stay away from it until your ready to try mixing your own e-liquid.
if it also lists the PG / VG % then great.
if it says "flavoring" or "flavor concentrate" or "intended for dilution" then you will want to stay away from it until your ready to try mixing your own e-liquid.
So, as mentioned pg = propylene glycol, vg = vegetable glycerine. You'll find different mixtures because tastes vary. VG is considerably more viscous than PG. It also hits smoother (less throat hit in my estimation). Also, I've found that certain tanks are much more prone to leaking with pure PG, and atomizer problems with too high a ratio of VG. I personally use close to 50/50. Concentration is level of nicotine, I think that 18 mg/ml is pretty close to a Marlboro red. Hope that was what you were looking for.
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Oh, sorry I also missed the point. If it has a dosage of nicotine on the label you're good to go.
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no that's not correct, the base nicotine liquids used for mixing have a nicotine content listed they can range from about 10 to 100 MG per mL...
When you order, if the dealer gives you an option to select your nicotine level, it's ready to vape (0 nic is often an option, so 0 nic would be your nicotine level if that's what you vape). If they don't off an option and it's labeled flavoring or flavor concentrate and it's not labeled e-liquid or e-juice, then it's most likely a concentrate that you need to mix on your own. Probably the easiest way to look at it 
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You're not going to see customization of PG, VG and Nicotine with a concentrate.
.You're not going to see customization of PG, VG and Nicotine with a concentrate.
my vendor gives me the option for nicotine content for the base nicotine solution, this does NOT mean its ready or SAFE to vape as is...
the vendor may not give you the option to customize the solvent ratios for various flavor concentrates. but most vendors do LIST the ratios on the product description or label...
Of course not, didn't mean to imply that it was (if I did).
I'm referencing, of course, something that is actually labeled. I don't know of any vendor (that I can recall) that doesn't label their liquids as e-juice, e-liquid, smoke juice or something similar to at least give a general idea of what it is and most label what is and isn't safe to vape. If they aren't doing their job labeling their products, I'd be wary of ordering.
(if I did).I'm referencing, of course, something that is actually labeled. I don't know of any vendor (that I can recall) that doesn't label their liquids as e-juice, e-liquid, smoke juice or something similar to at least give a general idea of what it is and most label what is and isn't safe to vape. If they aren't doing their job labeling their products, I'd be wary of ordering.
Of course not, didn't mean to imply that it was
I don't know of any vendor (that I can recall) that doesn't label their liquids as e-juice, e-liquid, smoke juice or something similar to at least give a general idea of what it is and most label what is and isn't safe to vape. If they aren't doing their job labeling their products, I'd be wary of ordering.
the vendor i use for my nicotine base is chemical supply company the nicotine is extracted by Johnson & Johnson its the same stuff that is used in "the patch" and base nicotine is top notch. i have tryed totally wicked and ECblend in the past but once i found this vendor i will using nothing but...
that being said
it does NOT say anything in the product description or on the bottle about what you are supposed to do with it. only that it contains stated amount of nicotine per mL and the solvent used VG or PG or a mix (your choice)
(it does have a very long warning label)
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I've yet to come across a vendor selling nicotine that didn't properly label it beyond concentration and product name. I have about 5 from a variety of vendors and they all carry concentration, warning labels, lot #, batch # and suggestion expiration date. It may work for you, but I'd be wary of buying anything from a company that doesn't follow such simply guidelines which are standard on most all chemicals, even at Walmart (i.e. VG, Prescriptions, Pain Meds, Pain Gels etc - just as examples).
I'm very picky about what I buy and what I inhale. I understand anyone can slap a label on a bottle and call it good, but being able to view the chemical certifications also helps. That's one reason why my last and next few purchases will be through MyFreedomSmokes. It's not because they label it as "safe to vape" nicotine, it's because they have a chemical validation on their site and they publicly display who they buy from, so worst case, I could go directly to their supplier for the lab cert.
I'm very picky about what I buy and what I inhale. I understand anyone can slap a label on a bottle and call it good, but being able to view the chemical certifications also helps. That's one reason why my last and next few purchases will be through MyFreedomSmokes. It's not because they label it as "safe to vape" nicotine, it's because they have a chemical validation on their site and they publicly display who they buy from, so worst case, I could go directly to their supplier for the lab cert.
Just checked WizardLabs since that's who they use (Johnson & Johnson) and their labeling shows the same warnings and info. Had to check as I wasn't exactly sure who they went through.
the company i use is not an approved vendor.. so i cant tell you who it is. i think the reason why they wont list very much is because they do not want to be held liable if anything goes wrong. if they suggest a use for it or give you directions and something does go wrong (person gets sick or dies) then they might have to pay you or your family a lot of money or shut down entirely. if they do not, they can just say it was never approved or even suggested for that application, and the court would call it a frivolous lawsuit. i wonder how many e-liquid manufactures are being sued... i bet its a lot.
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oh thats cool.. they are a bit cheaper i might give them a shot.
Oh I don't mean specifically label it as safe to vape (although that is what MFS appears to be doing with their marketing). That'd be grounds for the FDA to put the kibosh on sales, IMO, since that would most likely border on a "safety claim." Not sure if MFS has had issues with that or not. I've not used them long enough to get to know their staff (just one order in) and they probably don't make suites public if it did happen.
What I mean is labels with such things as a lot #, expiration, batch # and above all, a warning like what WizardLabs has on theirs, to the tune of:
"The 100mg Nicotine solution strength is NOT considered safe for direct application without further dilution. Proper safety should be exercised when handling concentrated Nicotine solutions. Please refer to the Safety and Handling documentation for safe handling procedures and personal protection requirements before ordering."
That should simply be a given on a label. A white label with just the concentration may be enough for a manufacturer, but I would think the middleman (or dealer) would need to ensure proper labels are applied to the rebottled product.
Yeah, I've used them quite a bit in the past 7-8 months. I always buy in 500ml bottles as my DIY blends always have nicotine. It seems like a waste, but I can't vape 0 nic. The PG/VG "tickles" my throat on the exhale and makes me cough. Toss in 6-8mg/ml and I'm good. If that works, then I move to my standard 12mg/ml and I'm happy
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"direct application" that's pretty vague... its not enough to pin point any real use for the product. but it is enough to let the customer know what to do to make it ingestible... it feels like a gray area to me that could cost them in court. not listing a use and if it comes up it court say that the product is indented for "research applications" sounds like a much better plan since nicotine is currently not considered safe for human consumption.
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They don't need to have a specific application in mind, just note that it needs to be diluted before it's safe for application in general. It's simply a way of covering their butts in case someone does decide to drink it or do whatever else those "select few" oddballs do with any and everything they can get their hands on .
The courts can always throw things out, but having a label that lets them know this is a chemical, it needs to be handled properly and it's not safe for direct use (or application) without further dilution is going to go a great deal further than no label as that leaves it's use open to interpretation by anyone who buys it.
Of course, you (or anyone else) could argue dilution could mean reducing it from 100mg/ml to 90mg/ml, which would still be toxic and harmful, but it's hard to cover all areas and bases short of writing a manual on what you can and should not do with the product.
.The courts can always throw things out, but having a label that lets them know this is a chemical, it needs to be handled properly and it's not safe for direct use (or application) without further dilution is going to go a great deal further than no label as that leaves it's use open to interpretation by anyone who buys it.
Of course, you (or anyone else) could argue dilution could mean reducing it from 100mg/ml to 90mg/ml, which would still be toxic and harmful, but it's hard to cover all areas and bases short of writing a manual on what you can and should not do with the product.
Safe to use for what? it only needs to be safe, so humans can ingest it.... any judge would recognize that.
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