E-Liquid -What do you think is the correct level of regulation

[Mr Mojorisin]

I have read many threads with varying ideas of what is the appropriate level of regulation for e-cigs and e-liquid. The hardware is fairly innocuous but the e-liquid is a bit different.

I made a poll to see what everyone is thinking. For the poll assume the AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) would be regulating. An AHJ may or may not exist but assume it does for the poll.

Each of the 5 options is meant to be progressive, so each would be inclusive of the prior option(s) (e.g. 4-regulation of distribution would include option 2 and 3). This poll isn't perfect but could be a litmus test for how the community is feeling.

1) No Regulation of any kind

2) Regulation of packaging and age restricted purchase - All liquid would have to be in childproof containers with poison warnings and only sold to those over 18.

3)Regulation of e-liquid manufacture- All e-liquid, whether imported or produced domestically would have to meet a standard criteria and purity guideline with limits on both composition and contaminants. Spot inspections would be required and all ingredients disclosed.

4) Regulation of Distribution - Require specific licensing for sale of e-liquid.

5) Full prescription FDA regulation - similar to other prescription NRT and only available by prescription from a licensed pharmacy.

 

[Caesarea]

3)Regulation of e-liquid manufacture- All e-liquid, whether imported or produced domestically would have to meet a standard criteria and purity guideline with limits on both composition and contaminants. Spot inspections would be required and all ingredients disclosed.

I'd prefer an option re Kite-Mark for premier quality e-liquid.

And perhaps even a Royal Seal of Approval from the Monarchy in GB: "By appointment to HRH ...."

Though I foresee tobacco fields in the Duchy of Cornwall...

 

[strayling]

#3 is closest to my views. I want to know what's in the liquid.

 

[Rookie]

Voted no regulation in the poll because any time the govt. gets involved it seems to continue to grow and become increasingly intrusive and expensive. I believe that manufacturers should test the product for purity and nic content. Bottle it in sealed, child-proof, warning labeled bottles. This should be a matter of good business practice, not govt regulation. Distributors and customers would soon put a supplier out of business if they have a poor quality product and didn't correct the problem. Just reading the posts on this forum product problems have been aired and some fixed the problem others who wouldn't went out of business. Word gets around fast these days.

 

[katink]

Inbetween 2 and 3, though I do feel for the arguments of the poster above me too. But supposing this would for a change not get 'taken over' by government - then inbetween 2 and 3.

It would be 3, but I am worried about 'guideline with limits on composition': that is an invitation to take out both flavors and the higher nic-contents, and I am positive that a wide range in both, such as it currently is, is needed to retain the big successfactor that the e-cigs are having as to getting smokers in and then, even accidentaly, having them convert to just e-vaping. No problem at all with the rest of 3.

 

[~kerri]

Inbetween 2 and 3, though I do feel for the arguments of the poster above me too. But supposing this would for a change not get 'taken over' by government - then inbetween 2 and 3.

It would be 3, but I am worried about 'guideline with limits on composition': that is an invitation to take out both flavors and the higher nic-contents, and I am positive that a wide range in both, such as it currently is, is needed to retain the big successfactor that the e-cigs are having as to getting smokers in and then, even accidentaly, having them convert to just e-vaping. No problem at all with the rest of 3.

I agree so much that I needn't bother typing my version: What katink said.

 

[Kate]

Bump.

This is a great poll, thanks for setting it up Mr Mojo.

 

[bronson]

Packaging will help us know what we are vaping

 

[Ivisi]

Like most of you, I went middle of the road. I'd like to know that steps are being taken to keep this out of the hands of minors (as much as is humanly possible, anyways), labeled properly, and all ingredients tested and disclosed.

And a question. Do you have to have a specific license to sell items like Nicotine Gum or Patches? If not, then that should set a precedent for e-liquid, as well.

Ivisi

 

[Mr Mojorisin]

Like most of you, I went middle of the road. I'd like to know that steps are being taken to keep this out of the hands of minors (as much as is humanly possible, anyways), labeled properly, and all ingredients tested and disclosed.

And a question. Do you have to have a specific license to sell items like Nicotine Gum or Patches? If not, then that should set a precedent for e-liquid, as well.

Ivisi

Locally (Maryland) the only places that I see selling Nic Gum and patches are places that also sell cigarettes. I don't know if it's a coincidence or if they fall under the cigarette sales license which is required for analogs.

I would agree with you in principal and am not sure the answer to your question. In my opinion it at least needs to be age restricted purchase.

I am not a fan of regulation as a rule but I think that there are a lot of potential risks with liquid because of the nic. I am also concerned with potential contamination because inhalation is a very direct way to ingest something (just ask a crack head).

 

[jrhorn424]

I see we have three libertarians responding to this poll.

I chose no regulation, but I can appreciate age restriction and child-proof protection. Then again, child-proof protection and labeling are both something the market would provide if we refused to buy otherwise.

 

[Ivisi]

Locally (Maryland) the only places that I see selling Nic Gum and patches are places that also sell cigarettes. I don't know if it's a coincidence or if they fall under the cigarette sales license which is required for analogs.

I would agree with you in principal and am not sure the answer to your question. In my opinion it at least needs to be age restricted purchase.

I am not a fan of regulation as a rule but I think that there are a lot of potential risks with liquid because of the nic. I am also concerned with potential contamination because inhalation is a very direct way to ingest something (just ask a crack head).

Here in Florida, I can buy patches and gum at Target, but Target also doesn't sell tobacco. They do, however, have a pharmacy, and that's generally where I see things like patches, gum, and lozenges for sale. (You'd think it be more beneficial to put it next to the tobacco products, but what do I know about marketing and product placement).

I would be really interested to find out what is needed to carry and sell a product such as Nicoderm CQ as a retailer. Could answer a lot of questions and provide insight as to what would be a good platform to take in regards to e-liquid sales and distribution.

Oh, and as I go look up information on that, it seems I can go to a website and purchase Nicoderm CQ, and just provide a CC number and a billing/shipping address. No age verification. Interesting. Same site allows me to process and ship my prescriptions, too, although for prescriptions I have to go through a registration process. And it's a US based site.

So, then, is the nicotine patch under less regulation than cigarettes? Or just different regulation than cigarettes?

Ivisi

 

[teardrop88]

I like the idea of quality control of e-liquid. That and restrict the sale to minors under the age of 18. Sadly, any form of regulation (which is a matter of when, not if) will result in higher prices

 

[Rookie]

I have no problem with self-regulation by the industry itself with controls on quality, sale of products to minors, labeling, nic content, etc.
A board or commission of manufacturers, distributors, and customers that would register members(keep out the scammers), come up with a set of requirements, test products, give a seal of approval.

I just don't want government regulation.

 

[katink]

bump for some more votes... do people find it hard to get to an opinion on this perhaps?

 

[Ann]

Regulation of e-liquid manufacture .
Just with any product, I would feel good to know it's of good quality. My mom always said "you get what you pay for", so in this case I'd pay more for good quality.

 

[Kate]

It looks like options two and three are the main ones to look at.

I think it would be good to have another poll to break down aspects of those two choices and assess each measure.

We can forget no regulation or prescription requirements by the look of this poll.

 

[Mr Mojorisin]

It looks like options two and three are the main ones to look at.

I think it would be good to have another poll to break down aspects of those two choices and assess each measure.

We can forget no regulation or prescription requirements by the look of this poll.

I kinda figured it would end up that way but i didn't think that it would be so few at the far ends of the spectrum. I didn't want to have too many options because that can sometimes dilute results.

I was a little surprised that more people haven't voted because it seems to be one of the main issues around the forum right now.

Thanks for keeping it alive Kate (I never bump my own threads).

 

[gep]

Let's bump it again. It is an important topic and it would be nice for more members to VOTE





(But don't chime in with a story about your grandmother and prohibition or anything else not relevent mmmmkkay?)

 

[Kate]

There's another poll on this thread about specific requirements of regulation (the thread is a bit of a ramble but the poll stands) - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/law-e-cigarette/8337-why-shouldnt-fda-interfere.html