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Yes Ma'am. They are all made in China (Outside of JC juice) [EDIT: Actually, there are a couple more pointed out in Kate's post below]
I believe there are a total of 3 liquid manufacturer's total, but hundreds of suppliers/trading companies.
I believe there are a total of 3 liquid manufacturer's total, but hundreds of suppliers/trading companies.
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Kate, You are right on cybercig, not sure of freesmoke since they don't outright say.
However, Liquid could still be produced in China, they just get bottled elsewhere. LOL
EDITED TO ADD: They may also still purchase their BASE from China, and just mix in their own flavors. I guess you can never be too sure ... sigh ...
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I heard that Freesmoke was from a Spanish pharmacy and they used potato nicotine. The only thing that kept me from ordering it was the price. Pretty expensive stuff.
Thanks Cashmere, I wasn't sure about Freesmoke. I've never seen it written anywhere by them that it's made outside China. Potato nicotine is interesting Karen, being Irish I'm partial to the odd spud or two, I must give it a try.
Cybercig claim to make their eliquid in France so that's not a guess. I suppose they are subject to EU type laws and standards.
It is a bit of a concern to me that the standards in China may not be very reliable, especially considering the health scares from there. One of the ingredients in some Chinese pet food, glycerine I think, was substituted for a cheaper, toxic, non-food version a while back. It doesn't fill me with confidence when we don't even have ingredient lists on bottles to check.
Pillbox has had the eliquid from his standard cartridges lab tested and the results look ok (speaking as a non-expert). At least we have a better idea that what we're inhaling from them is fit for purpose.
I would also guess that Ruyan and Janty have decent standards with their eliquid, apart from anything else they have reputations to maintain. That's just a guess of course.
Cybercig claim to make their eliquid in France so that's not a guess. I suppose they are subject to EU type laws and standards.
It is a bit of a concern to me that the standards in China may not be very reliable, especially considering the health scares from there. One of the ingredients in some Chinese pet food, glycerine I think, was substituted for a cheaper, toxic, non-food version a while back. It doesn't fill me with confidence when we don't even have ingredient lists on bottles to check.
Pillbox has had the eliquid from his standard cartridges lab tested and the results look ok (speaking as a non-expert). At least we have a better idea that what we're inhaling from them is fit for purpose.
I would also guess that Ruyan and Janty have decent standards with their eliquid, apart from anything else they have reputations to maintain. That's just a guess of course.
i also recall someone saying that Freesmoke had an eastern european connection somewhere along the line...anyone else remember that?it was back in may or june i think...i cant find it...it might have been on another forum...
anyway,their liquid is very smooth-smoother than chinese stuff...so who knows?
as for pure nicotine from spuds-well,im not messing about trying to make that stuff,its far too dangerous for my liking...be careful Kate.
anyway,their liquid is very smooth-smoother than chinese stuff...so who knows?
as for pure nicotine from spuds-well,im not messing about trying to make that stuff,its far too dangerous for my liking...be careful Kate.
Thanks peeps - I knew you'd know!
I asked the question because like Kate I worry about the quality control of Chinese stuff. I saw a friends dog die of renal failure thanks to the dogfood - it was sold by the vets and recommended!
Then today on the BBC I hear babies in China have renal failure from a babymilk product - over a hundred of them have died. Sheesh - these are one's babies y'know.
I know in the grand pic there are plenty of safe Chinese foods out there but I think I am just nervous because we don't have longerterm papers on the effects of e-smoking. That said like most of you I also feel that it has to be better than ordinary cigs.
I read Pillboxes report & I was very relieved!
I'm probably just being neurotic and as you say Kate - people have reputations to look after. But I still wish more juices would be safety tested.
I asked the question because like Kate I worry about the quality control of Chinese stuff. I saw a friends dog die of renal failure thanks to the dogfood - it was sold by the vets and recommended!
Then today on the BBC I hear babies in China have renal failure from a babymilk product - over a hundred of them have died. Sheesh - these are one's babies y'know.
I know in the grand pic there are plenty of safe Chinese foods out there but I think I am just nervous because we don't have longerterm papers on the effects of e-smoking. That said like most of you I also feel that it has to be better than ordinary cigs.
I read Pillboxes report & I was very relieved!
I'm probably just being neurotic and as you say Kate - people have reputations to look after. But I still wish more juices would be safety tested.
Kate said:
This is exactly why I am supporting Christian knowing he will tweek all the problems out of his formula. He's really our only hope right now for the safest liquid. I don't trust China!
Really?
What does Christian know about making e-liquids?
What school did he go to to learn how to brew that?
Oh, and it's going to be the third or fourth "new and improved" juice this time?
I trust Janty completely, they developed their own e-cig's and their own liquid.
They have their own factory.
Let me try to find the little video Ludo posted here not too long ago about their huge corporation.
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I am asked not to give detailed percentages for obvious reaons of trade secret... but this is the basis of ALL our liquids. Add to this list the nicotine in 6 mg, 11 mg and 16 mg and you have it all.
All our liquids, either used for cartridges or sold as liquid bottle are APPROVED TUV and approved by the University of Naples, Italy and the Italian Ministry of Health as SAFE and LEGAL for sale.
INGRREDIENTS:
menthol
3-methylcyclopentan-1
2-dione
1-malic acid
2,3,5,6-tetramethylpyrazine
2,3,5-trimethylpyrazine
beta-damescenone
acetylpyrazine
2-acetylpyridine
ethanol
rhodinol
vanillin
propylene glycol
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: S.E.A
Posts: 145
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I am asked not to give detailed percentages for obvious reaons of trade secret... but this is the basis of ALL our liquids. Add to this list the nicotine in 6 mg, 11 mg and 16 mg and you have it all.
All our liquids, either used for cartridges or sold as liquid bottle are APPROVED TUV and approved by the University of Naples, Italy and the Italian Ministry of Health as SAFE and LEGAL for sale.
INGRREDIENTS:
menthol
3-methylcyclopentan-1
2-dione
1-malic acid
2,3,5,6-tetramethylpyrazine
2,3,5-trimethylpyrazine
beta-damescenone
acetylpyrazine
2-acetylpyridine
ethanol
rhodinol
vanillin
propylene glycol
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scroll down to post # 4, and you'll see the test report from Janty.
It would be nice to see something like that from Christian.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ion/2202-ingredients-cartridges-e-liquid.html
It would be nice to see something like that from Christian.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ion/2202-ingredients-cartridges-e-liquid.html
I'm afraid I can't make head nor tail of that test report from Janty posted on the last link. It doesn't seem to say anything about testing and looking at it again, even the ingredient list is obscured. Don't get me wrong, I think that Janty is a reputable company and if they say they have had their eliquid tested I will take their word for it. I use Janty juice, I'd still like to see a proper toxicology report though. That report is printed with a SGS heading, I think this must be them - SGS - inspection, verification, testing & certification services. They must have produced a report with some substance if they were commissioned to test for safety. What does it say?
Ludo said "All our liquids, either used for cartridges or sold as liquid bottle are APPROVED TUV and approved by the University of Naples, Italy and the Italian Ministry of Health as SAFE and LEGAL for sale." 'Approved TUV' - what does that mean? I Googled TUV and got this site - Home - TV Rheinland Group It looks like a commercial lab to me. It would be good if we could see their report. 'approved by the University of Naples' - again, what did they have to say? 'Safe and legal' for sale in Italy - ok that's good but what are the requirements of the Italian Ministry of Health to prove safety and legality? Do they require clinical trials? Do the ingredients simply have to be food safe?
I'm not deliberately picking Janty as a baddie, in fact I think they are probably one of the more respectable companies we deal with. What I'm trying to say is that we really need to examine the detail of esmoking claims to gauge the standards. If they are prepared to put forward resources for analysis the most likely outcome I can see is confident customers and brand loyalty.
MacFan did say he would list his ingredients and show us the lab reports. Maybe we just need to be patient with Johnson Creek, it's a new business and they are finding their feet. The question is if they can be trusted with our health while they work things out.
Ludo said "All our liquids, either used for cartridges or sold as liquid bottle are APPROVED TUV and approved by the University of Naples, Italy and the Italian Ministry of Health as SAFE and LEGAL for sale." 'Approved TUV' - what does that mean? I Googled TUV and got this site - Home - TV Rheinland Group It looks like a commercial lab to me. It would be good if we could see their report. 'approved by the University of Naples' - again, what did they have to say? 'Safe and legal' for sale in Italy - ok that's good but what are the requirements of the Italian Ministry of Health to prove safety and legality? Do they require clinical trials? Do the ingredients simply have to be food safe?
I'm not deliberately picking Janty as a baddie, in fact I think they are probably one of the more respectable companies we deal with. What I'm trying to say is that we really need to examine the detail of esmoking claims to gauge the standards. If they are prepared to put forward resources for analysis the most likely outcome I can see is confident customers and brand loyalty.
MacFan did say he would list his ingredients and show us the lab reports. Maybe we just need to be patient with Johnson Creek, it's a new business and they are finding their feet. The question is if they can be trusted with our health while they work things out.
sanneke said:
Although I enjoy Janty fluid immensly, these are some discriptions of the chemicals from their recipe taken directly from MSDS's.
Ethanol
Appearance: clear, colorless. Flash Point: 13 deg C. Danger! Flammable liquid. Causes severe eye irritation. May cause blindness if swallowed. May be fatal if swallowed. May cause skin irritation. May cause central nervous system depression. May cause liver and kidney damage. May cause reproductive and fetal effects. May be absorbed through intact skin. May form explosive peroxides.
Target Organs: Kidneys, central nervous system, liver.
Trimethylpyrazine
Inhalation:
Aspiration may lead to pulmonary edema. Vapors may cause dizziness
or suffocation. May cause burning sensation in the chest.
2-Acetylpyridine
Inhalation: May cause respiratory tract irritation. The toxicological properties of this substance have not been fully investigated.
rhodinol
Potential Acute Health Effects:
Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation. Slightly hazardous
in case of skin contact (permeator).
2,3,5,6-tetramethylpyrazine
Toxicology
Harmful if swallowed. May be harmful if inhaled and in contact with skin. Respiratory irritant. Toxicology not fully investigated.
Isn't ethanol the same as alcohol?
All the ingredient lists I've seen so far are chock full of unpronounceable stuff. I wouldn't worry too much though, there's probably only minute amounts of these additives anyway.
I'd love a supplier to provide a nicotine and propylene glycol or glycerine only mix so I could add my own flavours.
All the ingredient lists I've seen so far are chock full of unpronounceable stuff. I wouldn't worry too much though, there's probably only minute amounts of these additives anyway.
I'd love a supplier to provide a nicotine and propylene glycol or glycerine only mix so I could add my own flavours.
Kate said:
Synonyms: Ethyl Alcohol; Ethyl Alcohol Anhydrous; Ethyl Hydrate; Ethyl Hydroxide; Fermentation Alcohol; Grain Alcohol; Methylcarbinol; Molasses Alcohol; Spirits of Wine.
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