ecig "smoke"

[rebel_logan]

Can the e cig smoke be harmful in any way?
I am new to this but read all of the great info for new users you have here and I have been sucking in the cape slowly holding it in and then either letting it go to my lungs or just exhale but I noticed like in a vehicle it still lingers a bit after exhaled? Is this harmful I have a 2 year old daughter and soon a newborn son. Will or can this harm them? Thanks logan

 

[Renzuli]

Welcome , and if your using some nicotine in your juice , there is a small chance of nicotine , being present in the lingering vapor , so maybe not best to use around your kids , unless there is plenty of ventilation . Just plain juice , with no nicotine , is fine . no harm , no foul .

 

[Kanj.nguyen]

Without nicotine, its just a regular old fog machine: no really, they work pretty much the same way and put out the same substances.

 

[jangeisler]

As far as I know, it isn't very harmful. But I guess that anything other than nice clean pure air can't be 100% healthy.

Compared to cigarettes, the vape is extremely harmless IMO, but as your kids aren't smokers, I suggest that you don't vape too much around them. At least I wouldn't. i would prefer my kids inhaled oxygen instead of pg and vg

But i don't think that it would do any harm to chainvape after they've gone to bed, as the vapour condenses again quickly

 

[gthompson]

There's no combustion, so there's no "smoke". We call it vapor.

 

[dlipford370]

Like the other guy said, it's a fog machine! with no nicotine. Propylene glycol is a base for the eliquids we use (unless you opt for vegetable glycerin), and PG is also a base in fog machines, so no worries bro!

 

[Baditude]

CASAA has a ton of information on electronic cigarettes:

Smoke-free Tobacco

 

[supermarket]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol

 

[Extraunordinary]

Vaporized PG is applied to some hospital air systems as it is an anti-microbial. There was a recent study done comparing room air quality of smokers and e-cig users; One observation was that there was no nicotine found in the air from vaping.

 

[mkbilbo]

Can the e cig smoke be harmful in any way?
I am new to this but read all of the great info for new users you have here and I have been sucking in the cape slowly holding it in and then either letting it go to my lungs or just exhale but I noticed like in a vehicle it still lingers a bit after exhaled? Is this harmful I have a 2 year old daughter and soon a newborn son. Will or can this harm them? Thanks logan

The tests I've read say little to no nicotine "hangs around". And the base liquids are rated safe. They're used in tons of products you have in your house now. And PG is used in fog machines. Which are considered totally harmless. Even for people who work around them and breathe the "fog" all the time. Shoot, PG is used in medicines. Lung transplant patients are given PG vapor with medications in it to breathe to get the meds into their lungs.

And compared to all the stuff we're pumping into the air we breathe with cars and coal plants and whatever, I doubt a little vapor is the big worry.

But, for your own peace of mind, you could avoid vaping in enclosed spaces with the kids. Go outside. Open a window in the car. You know, well ventilated spaces. The vapor doesn't hang around anything like smoke does.

Since you're worried about it, I assume you didn't smoke around the kids. You could do whatever you did then. But, honestly, unless you're in a small, poorly ventilated space with them for a long period of time, I doubt there's any real effect at all.

It's definitely nowhere near as bad as smoking around them. That's for sure!

 

[Crash Moses]

Also, here's some really good info on e-liquid.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/177551-pg-vg-peg.html

 

[rebel_logan]

thanks for all the help and no I didn't smoke around them at all and usually would come in mouthwash wash my hands and change shirts. Its great to not have to do that now!

 

[mkbilbo]

thanks for all the help and no I didn't smoke around them at all and usually would come in mouthwash wash my hands and change shirts. Its great to not have to do that now!

From the concern you expressed, I figured you were being very careful not to smoke around the kids. For your own peace of mind, you could use the same basic approach. It is highly doubtful the "second hand vapor" has any real effect on others. But parents worry right?

Here's a bit I just saw pointed out elsewhere on the forum: Clearstream Air Results. From the study:

"During the e-CIG session we found: TOC=0.73mg/m3 and glycerin=72μg/m3. No toluene, xylene, CO, NOx, nicotine, acrolein or
PAHs were detected on room air during the e-CIG session."

TOC being "total organic carbon". Organic carbon is introduced to our environment by just about everything alive. Just breathing puts some organic carbon in the air. Too much is not good but it's also unavoidable on a planet that has life at all. By way of comparison, smoking registered at: TOC=6.66 mg/m3. Which is more. By a lot.

Glycerin is about as benign as it gets. It's in tons of consumer products, many of which you and your kids use every day. Yeah, there are some that are not so good but PG and VG (the ones use in vaping) are rated as about as safe as anything gets. It's not the PG nor VG governments and regulatory bodies are griping about. It's the nicotine.

The definite positive from this study is the total absence of things such as nicotine, carbon monoxide (CO), nitrogen oxides (NOx... they're involved in smog and the formation of "acid rain"), and such things. That is, the really awful stuff in second hand smoke. They were just not found in an enclosed space with vapers vaping away.

Here's the set up they used:

"A 60 m3 closed-room was used for the experiment. Two sessions were organized, the first using 5 smokers and the second using 5 users of e-CIG. Both sessions lasted 5 h."

Five vapers, five hours of vaping in a closed room and nothing harmful found in the room's air.

More results like this are rolling in. The "anti" crowd is already yapping "second hand vaping" but they're going to have a hard time finding actual data to back them up.

(This, however, may not stop them.)

 

[RosaJ]

PG is an ingredient in children's (including babies) flavoring for medicine syrups. The pharmacies give it away for free if your doctor prescribes nasty tasting syrups. Your child/baby is ingesting it.

VG is also used in baking food such as cake frosting (which your children also ingest) and is sold not only in pharmacies in their skin lotions aisle, but in Michael's, Hobby Lobby, and any store that sells baking supplies.

From what I understand, the only way your child or anyone else to get "second hand vape" is if you exhale the nicotine flavor right into their mouths, and even then the amount of nicotine the other person gets is minimal.

Raising children is a very important responsibility for parents. So, if you decide to vape or not is your choice and your decision. There is a lot of information in this forum that you can research yourself to make an informed personal decision.

This is not the first time I've seen this subject come up.

 

[BostLabs]

Howdy Cuz! (I am originally form Oklahoma. My Daddy was raised in Tahlequah, my Mother in Pryor)

I don't have any children so can't really comment on that, but my wife could not be anywhere around me when I smoked. It would give her a very hard time breathing. Vaping on the other hand... I can sit right next to her in living room or car and vape away and she is 100% fine. She occasionally gets a hint of my flavor but that is it.