I have been vaping for around 2 months now and am quite surprised by the fact that I don't get a nicotine buy from ecigs. I have read comments that its the other ingredients in ecigs that give you the buzz and other bla bla but I just don't buy it. I have used patches on multiple occasions when trying to quit and have always gotten a buzz of them when starting to use them at the highest nicotine level. I would be interested on hearing some opinions on this. To me it appears that ecigs are simply a very inefficient way of delivering nicotine.
Ecigs and lack of nicotine buzz vs nicotine patches
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Snus my friend, snus. That's what I initially used to give me that "buzz". Then it got to where I quit looking for it. Now it seems scary to me what was taking place in my body to give me that buzz.
Yes, I have had snus and gotten of of it (it's been over 15 years now) but I'm not talking about how to compensate, because I could just go with sticking some patches onto me when I feel like getting a buzz (beats feeling gaggy after sticking some snus in my mouth). What I am more curious about: from a biological perspective, is to how inefficient are ecigs as a delivery mechanism for nicotine. A lot of modders in here are chain vaping away on huge CLOUDS of vapor that they seem to be getting off on (the age old 'my vapor cloud is hotter and bigger than yours' argument). Are they getting a buzz? Or are we just all kidding ourselves and may as well go with 0 nic juice and a trusty old 808 or ego?
To me, vaping is not as efficient at delivering nicotine as a regular cigarette. You are spot on there. However, it is quite easy to get a "nic buzz" or even worse, over-nic yourself. What mg strength are you vaping? I usually go with 18mg, and thats enough to satisfy my cravings easily. If I over-vape, I over-nic... I will get sweaty, twitchy, and my heart will start racing. If you are getting nothing from your vape, you might need to step up the strength of your juice.
I have been vaping 24mg, mostly Ms Ts and AV, so the problem can't be with the juice quality (I know about recent reports of Chinese ejuice not containing as much nicotine as advertised...
The first time I smoked an ecig I had 18mg juice, and within 10 min of vaping I had a buzz. I continued to vape not thinking anything of it, and within 20 min I was on the verge of nic OD. I even had to get out of the car and let my wife drive because I was so light headed. But to your question, Its already known that ecigs are less effective as an analog at delivering nicotine. There are many threads on ECF on this topic. You are also not getting other harmful chemicals from analogs or other tobacco products that would cause a buzz. Also much like analogs, I myself stopped getting a buzz after my first few smokes when I stated smoking, so It might be a possibility that you have built a tolerance to nicotine. I also vape 24mg juice now, and chain vape all day without "catching a buzz". But I would rather not, I dont like the feeling of it.
Also I have tired the 24mg nic patches long ago for about two weeks. I was on a regiment of wellbutrin as well. Low and behold as soon as I would put the patch on, for the first 10 min or so I felt a buzz from the nic, but it didnt last long. I ended up still smoking a pack a day with the patch on and the wellbutrin, well that just made me have wired feelings, strange dreams, and a happy smoker.
Also I have tired the 24mg nic patches long ago for about two weeks. I was on a regiment of wellbutrin as well. Low and behold as soon as I would put the patch on, for the first 10 min or so I felt a buzz from the nic, but it didnt last long. I ended up still smoking a pack a day with the patch on and the wellbutrin, well that just made me have wired feelings, strange dreams, and a happy smoker.
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I'm afraid I have to agree with Nunnster on this one. I think the OP misinterpreted what the e-cig was designed for. It was not designed to get you "higher" than a cigarette without all the lealth problems of a cigarette. It's not built to give you the same "buzz" you got from an analog. If you're using this device as something to give you nicotine highs, you'll be sorely disappointed. It was designed as a healthier alternative to smoking, that some people have even used to quit altogether. It wasn't designed for people to vape 96 mg juice so you can get a nic buzz and then probably die, "the ultimate high" as Denis Leary called it. To each their own though. The darwin awards are around for a reason
I'm afraid I have to agree with Nunnster on this one. I think the OP misinterpreted what the e-cig was designed for. It was not designed to get you "higher" than a cigarette without all the lealth problems of a cigarette. It's not built to give you the same "buzz" you got from an analog. If you're using this device as something to give you nicotine highs, you'll be sorely disappointed. It was designed as a healthier alternative to smoking, that some people have even used to quit altogether. It wasn't designed for people to vape 96 mg juice so you can get a nic buzz and then probably die, "the ultimate high" as Denis Leary called it. To each their own though. The darwin awards are around for a reason
I think you are all misunderstanding me. I never indicated that the cigarette buzz what I was after. I was only arguing as to whether ecigs are an effective nicotine delivery device (hence my thoughts on nicotine patches, if they give you a buzz without any additives, why can't ecigs).
Don't get me wrong. I love my vaporizers! I prefer their taste to analogs. I don't get nicotine cravings since I have stopped smoking analogs. I am in love with being on the forefront of an evolution of a custom that is nearly as old as mankind itself (or in short, I love the tech). I just don't think they work as well as the should yet. This probably has a lot to with VG and PG being inefficient delivery mechanisms. This will change as the tech develops over time.
But again, it's not meant to be as effective. Ask anybody who truely knows how to cook if they prefer gas or electric ranges. The heat is still getting to the pan and the food, it works and does what it's supposed to. But the fire is a lot better than electricity in that situation, same as smoking. Electric stoves haven't gotten better at delivering heat than gas, and they've been around for quite a long time. At least when compared to e-cigs. So I seriously doubt e-cigs will ever become better nicotine delivery devices than smoking.
Good point, but at this point it may be a little to early to make this assumption...
Maybe I'm not understanding how you define a nicotine buzz.
Can you explain what seems to be missing for you?
If your talking about that lightheaded feeling, that was the high levels of carbon monoxide in cigarettes and the lack of oxygen you brain received. Fortunately we don't get that with vaping. Your arteries, lungs and blood thank you for that.
If you got a buzz from nicotine patches with their extremely low levels of nicotine (probably one of the reasons they're so unsuccessful) that's surprising because they also have a time released effect. That 4 mg of nicotine or whatever it is with a patch is slowly released. To me they weren't worth the time it took to peel the paper off.
You absorb nicotine differently vaping than smoking. It's slower but you do absorb nicotine. Much better than patches, that's for sure.
Can you explain what seems to be missing for you?
If your talking about that lightheaded feeling, that was the high levels of carbon monoxide in cigarettes and the lack of oxygen you brain received. Fortunately we don't get that with vaping. Your arteries, lungs and blood thank you for that.
If you got a buzz from nicotine patches with their extremely low levels of nicotine (probably one of the reasons they're so unsuccessful) that's surprising because they also have a time released effect. That 4 mg of nicotine or whatever it is with a patch is slowly released. To me they weren't worth the time it took to peel the paper off.
You absorb nicotine differently vaping than smoking. It's slower but you do absorb nicotine. Much better than patches, that's for sure.
Don't get me wrong, I would love it if they did improve. I love all the changes that have happend since I started 2 years ago. But the one thing that hasn't changed, is how they work. It started out as liquid being atomized by a heating coil, and every e-cig out there still uses that process. How the liquid is delivered to the coil has changed for the better. I think you'll find anybody who started out with attys and carts will agree that, even if one or the other isn't their preference, tanks, cartos and clearos work tremendously better than the old school style system. I agree that probably the only thing that may improve things will be the liquids that are used. Though with the high number of DIY'ers out there, plus all the other bigger companies involved in making e-juice, if there was a better substitute or vg or pg, we probably would have seen or heard of it by now. Sadly, that part hasn't really changed since the beginning either
I personally am pretty happy with the way they work. Certainly better than the other stuff I tried. Pills didn't work. Gum didn't work. Patches didn't work. This did. And without the misery and withdraws.
Maybe I was so fed up with smoking that my love affair with smoking was pretty much over and all that was left was the self-loathing addiction. That I was able to quit with a $30 pv that didn't involve wearing a straight jacket is pretty much a miracle to me.
Maybe I was so fed up with smoking that my love affair with smoking was pretty much over and all that was left was the self-loathing addiction. That I was able to quit with a $30 pv that didn't involve wearing a straight jacket is pretty much a miracle to me.
I think what the OP is referring to is the "high" you get from smoking a cigarette. The faster heartbeat, sweats, lightheadedness, that kinda stuff. E-Cigs work for the majority of us, since we're not looking for that. They work for the OP too which is great, he just can't get that certain fix from the e-cig. I guess he could always wear a patch on each arm and leg, with a lozenge in one cheek and snus in the other while vaping 48 mg juice?
Yea, sorry but I don't buy the whole "I got a 'buzz' from vaping my 4000 watt PV stuff." The only "buzz" you can possibly get from smoking is basically caused by asphyxiation. Personally, I can do without that, thank you very much. Any kind of "head swimming buzz" akin to what you'd get from analogs achieved through the use of a PV is likely self induced...as in...it's all in your head!
Nic overdose symptoms are nothing like an analog "buzz."
I also don't buy that anyone will get that same "buzz" from a patch.
Nic overdose symptoms are nothing like an analog "buzz."
I also don't buy that anyone will get that same "buzz" from a patch.
Too much nic can make your heart race. That in turn can make you light headed. This can make it feel like the asphyxiation buzz you mentioned. That's what I was thinking he was feeling.
I suppose it's possible, but the mad stomach ache and headache would likely lessen the "buzz" don't you think? Again, I just don't really buy that it's even possible with a patch. Perhaps to a much different level with a PV, but for sure not with a patch.
@GIMike: yes, that's exactly what I was referring to!
Sorry for repeating myself, but yes, I have gotten a buzz off patches. Used them multiple times when I tried to quit. On the first to third day (with decreasing intensity) I would get a nicotine buzz of them. It happened to me with the patch, although there is no argument here since physiologies do differ from person to person.
Yea, I'm not saying that the possibility of being "in your head" is a bad thing by any means. I think a lot of the reasons we smoke or vape are "in our heads." The mental aspect is quite a serious contender in smoking cessation.
I quit analogs cold turkey for 6 years. During those 6 years I had many, many times that I seriously thought I would die without an analog. Once my mind got busy with something else, the cravings were gone until something made me think of smoking again...then here they'd come...
I had to switch back to analogs for a day when I misplaced my little kit and lost all my batteries aside from the one I was using and it died. The first cigarette I smoked made feel VERY uncomfortable (though you may have enjoyed it). I didn't get a buzz, I got extreme vertigo. My ENTIRE body was tingling. I don't think it had anything to do with asphyxiation. I don't really know what it was, but I know it was waaaay too much for me to enjoy. I was glad when I found my batts and had smoked up the pack so I could go back to vaping. I'd rather have no buzz than feel that again.
I know that that wasn't in my head.
I know that that wasn't in my head.
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