Effects of PV on Monkeys and Rats by Vapor Administration

[catlady60]

Great article, thanks for posting s-man. Now if only all the monkeys n rats in charge would read this, we would all be vaping happily and carefree!

The whole problem is that the monkeys and rats in human suits are dictating policy--and they're not about to listen to science and reason, aren't they?

 

[Nate760]

I posted about this in the health thread some time ago, questioning about people's experience with colds and vaping. I had noticed thaty, unlike smokiung, vaping seemed to speed up the recovery process. I had a lot of agreement from others.

My kids went back to school two weeks ago and I still haven't come down with my traditional early September cold/flu bug. Can't remember that ever happening before.

 

[catlady60]

Just in case you haven't seen this yet...
Studies on air-borne infection in a hospital ward

PG must be the reason vapers don't get sick often. I, for one, didn't get sick one day last flu season. The only respiratory ailment I had were my seasonal allergies. Mind you, when I was smoking, I came down with one infection after another: colds, sinus infections, even acute bronchitis!

Keep on vaping. It's good to stave off infections.

 

[DC2]

PG must be the reason vapers don't get sick often. I, for one, didn't get sick one day last flu season. The only respiratory ailment I had were my seasonal allergies. Mind you, when I was smoking, I came down with one infection after another: colds, sinus infections, even acute bronchitis!

Keep on vaping. It's good to stave off infections.

When I was smoking I would get sick at least twice every year and symptoms would last about one week.

In the five years I've been vaping I have only gotten "sick" twice.
The first time the symptoms only lasted one day, and the second time the symptoms lasted around four days.

That second bug was particularly nasty I guess.

 

[sonicdsl]

Like you guys, I used to get 3-4 colds/year. I've had one cold in the three years since I've switched 100% from smoking to vaping, and it was a biggie - about a week. I attribute that reduction in susceptibility to lack of smoke + added PG in my mind.

 

[pamdis]

I used to get bronchitis twice a year like clockwork when I was smoking. I've been vaping a little over a year now, and had NO bronchitis at all last year.

 

[Kent C]

I used to get colds (always started with a soar throat for me) about twice a year (change of seasons usually - Spring and Fall) but I've used ZiCam for about 10+ years, and that works for me IF I get it at first symptom - scratchy throat, eyes watering. Still I've had to use it about 3 times a year until I started vaping over 5 years ago. Now I only have to use it once a year.

I had one cold in five years and that one, I purposely didn't use Zicam ...because I was testing an idea from Nicholas Taleb from his book "Antifragile"

Antifragile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Some things benefit from shocks; they thrive and grow when exposed to volatility, randomness, disorder, and stressors and love adventure, risk, and uncertainty." And thus, this makes one 'anti-fragile'

Basically the 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger' idea And that preventive medicine, overuse of antibiotics, etc., can set you up for a big fail, make things last longer, etc. etc. And the cold wasn't devastating and didn't last as long as previous colds.

 

[AndriaD]

I'll make the prediction right now: any ANTZ who are confronted with this study will dismiss it out of hand on the basis that the test subject were animal rather than human, even though their own arguments regarding the "dangers" of vaping and/or nicotine are based largely on a self-serving interpretation of (you guessed it) studies on mice and rats.

Right! And which animal are humans closest to, genetically??? Well... it ain't mice and rats! Though with the ANTZ... maybe they really are closer to mice and rats... they get into everything and you just can't get rid of them!

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

I used to get colds (always started with a soar throat for me) about twice a year (change of seasons usually - Spring and Fall) but I've used ZiCam for about 10+ years, and that works for me IF I get it at first symptom - scratchy throat, eyes watering. Still I've had to use it about 3 times a year until I started vaping over 5 years ago. Now I only have to use it once a year.

I had one cold in five years and that one, I purposely didn't use Zicam ...because I was testing an idea from Nicholas Taleb from his book "Antifragile"

Antifragile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Some things benefit from shocks; they thrive and grow when exposed to volatility, randomness, disorder, and stressors and love adventure, risk, and uncertainty." And thus, this makes one 'anti-fragile'

Basically the 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger' idea And that preventive medicine, overuse of antibiotics, etc., can set you up for a big fail, make things last longer, etc. etc. And the cold wasn't devastating and didn't last as long as previous colds.

That was a great book, wasn't it? I found it quite informative, as well as highly entertaining!!!

My experience with colds, over the last 20 yrs or so, is that I would *always* get one, within 2 wks of the beginning of school each fall -- all the rugrats getting together and sharing germs and bringing them home. After our son got high-school age, it eased somewhat, though my husband would still bring them home from work, where he had co-workers with younger kids. I keep saying that one of the BEST benefits of growing older is that you've already had so many colds, there aren't many rhinovirus mutations left that you haven't yet experienced and thus grown immune to.

This year, I suffered a cold in late January, when I was first starting to vape -- coincidence that it began within a week of visiting my doctor? I don't think so. Just gives more ammo to my POV that staying healthy means staying AWAY from doctors! All the sick people go there! Like a doctor can do ANYTHING about a cold! Yeah right!

Andria

 

[Kent C]

That was a great book, wasn't it? I found it quite informative, as well as highly entertaining!!!

My experience with colds, over the last 20 yrs or so, is that I would *always* get one, within 2 wks of the beginning of school each fall -- all the rugrats getting together and sharing germs and bringing them home. After our son got high-school age, it eased somewhat, though my husband would still bring them home from work, where he had co-workers with younger kids. I keep saying that one of the BEST benefits of growing older is that you've already had so many colds, there aren't many rhinovirus mutations left that you haven't yet experienced and thus grown immune to.

This year, I suffered a cold in late January, when I was first starting to vape -- coincidence that it began within a week of visiting my doctor? I don't think so. Just gives more ammo to my POV that staying healthy means staying AWAY from doctors! All the sick people go there! Like a doctor can do ANYTHING about a cold! Yeah right!

Andria

Lol... and staying away from hospitals too

I've liked all of Taleb's books and you're right - informative AND entertaining. I don't agree with all, but he does have different takes and makes one think.

 

[dragonpuff]

The last few years I went to a big university and I got sick all the time, about once every month or two it would last at least a week, and it always made my chronic cough worse, sometimes to the point where no amount of cough medicine made it possible for me to attend class without constantly interrupting the lesson by coughing

My last semester of school I was vaping only and didn't get sick once! Not once! When I quit my chronic cough vanished in days, and since then I've only had a symptom of a cold here and there but never actually got sick. Right now is literally the first time I got sick since I started vaping in December, and it's so mild it's barely noticeable most of the time

I had to add myself to this list of never sickos I still find it so remarkable that I don't get sick anymore

 

[Smok-ey]

"...The doses administered represented 50 to 700 times the amount of glycol the animal could absorb by breathing air saturated with the glycol..."

I mean what is the amount per day that a person would absorb normally vs locking himself in a small container while vaping away for 18 month without air?

 

[rothenbj]

Boy did I hijack this thread. I honestly believe I found the cure to the common cold, at least for smokers. I expected that stopping smoking would decrease the number of colds and duration, but inhaling a germ killer can't hurt.

Imagine a world where the non-smoker would be recommended to vape at the onset of a cold. It would destroy the whole cold medicine industry.

Definitely reason to ban.

Darn auto correct in android.

 

[DrMA]

Even though PG has been demonstrated to have germicidal activity for air and hard surfaces, there is currently no evidence it may function the same way when administered internally.

However, PG has a long history of use as a carrier agent for inhaled medicine for example in lung transplant patients, and thus has an FDA-approved safety profile compatible with direct and long-term inhalation.

 

[Nate760]

Even though PG has been demonstrated to have germicidal activity for air and hard surfaces, there is currently no evidence it may function the same way when administered internally.

However, PG has a long history of use as a carrier agent for inhaled medicine for example in lung transplant patients, and thus has an FDA-approved safety profile compatible with direct and long-term inhalation.

For my part, I consider the improvement in my immune health to be exclusively (or almost exclusively) a function of no longer smoking. I would need to see some compelling clinical evidence before I'd be willing to posit that the improvement is, in any degree, a material byproduct of vaping itself.