Eissenberg's Study May Have Been Correct...Sort Of

[Kilroy]

There are semi-quantitative tests. Interested in hearing about your results. I used a yes/no and I don't think anyone would be surprised that the result was "yes".

 

[crazyfl3x]

There are semi-quantitative tests. Interested in hearing about your results. I used a yes/no and I don't think anyone would be surprised that the result was "yes".

Yes, the semi-quantitative ones are the ones I ordered (I'm very excited to see the results )

I agree that there probably isn't anybody that would be surprised by your answer showing up as "yes".

So far I haven't put too much thought into how I'm going to perform my test, but it'll probably go something like this:

Not take a puff from my PV or cigarette for 12 hours (in other words, no nicotine intake for 12 hours)

Use one strip to take a baseline reading after the 12 hours is up.

Establish some sort of a baseline for a "standard puff" size (maybe draw on the e-cig for X amount of seconds or something like that.)

I'll hold that "puff" in my mouth for X seconds, then inhale and hold that for X seconds.

Repeat that for X amount of times per minute for X minutes.

Then I'll use the remaining 4 test strips I have left to measure the levels in my saliva 5, 10, 15 & 20 minutes later. (I'll rinse my mouth out immediately after taking my last puff to make sure to remove any residual nicotine in my mouth. I'll do that to make sure I'm not measuring the amount of nicotine that is almost surely directly deposited in my mouth from the vapor.)

I'll iron out everything and put it up as it's own thread as soon as I get the strips. I'm also going to order some juice that has a significantly higher nicotine content (36mg per ml) to perform the test with as the only juice I have presently is 12mg per ml.

 

[Elapid]

All I know, or really care about for that matter, is that I get enough nicotine vaping to keep me off cigarettes. I vape 36mg and haven't wanted an analog once I started vaping. They can test it all they want, I just know it works for me and that's what it's all about.

 

[DirtyHarry]

I go until I feel I've had enough. It may take more than ten drags off of a PV to get the equivilant nicotine.

This is the key, really - well, this and what hypothesis the experiment was testing. If the hypothesis was "puff-for-puff, e-cigs don't deliver like analogs", well, duh.

But then, my innate cynical nature must also question the rational behind the hypothesis... i.e. perhaps was it "How can I frame an experiment that puts e-cigs in a bad light?" I really can't see any other reason for conducting such a rather pointless experiment. But like I say, I have a cynical nature. Maybe Eissenberg was indeed just curious about the effacacy of the delivery system... but then why not use a less subjective methodology (i.e. why not use mechanical "puffers" and gmsc analysis or something like that)?

Anywho, in terms of actual use, however, yes it's obvious that we vapers tend to take more puffs (or a higher concentration of nicotine in the juice - I read the parameters and thought, "19 mikes per mil? That's for wimps!!") for a user to get "enough"... but so what? We are very well attuned to what is "enough", and will automatically get there.

And probably have more FUN getting there! After all, what makes e-cigs superior, at least to me, as a method of foregoing traditional cigs is the extra, non-nicotine-related aspects of smoking: Having something to handle and fiddle with, inhaling and blowing stuff, socializing with other smokers, etc. etc. That's why I deliberately stick to my former schedule of going on "smoke breaks" with the other smokers at work, perform the perp-walk out to the smoking area, sit around and chat, and so forth - these aspects of smoking are at least as important as pure nicotine uptake.

And e-cigs/PVs do this like no patch or inhaler or gum can, plain and simple truth.

-Inspector 2211

 

[Rahz]

After vapeing concentrations from 48mg to 12mg, I have a few thoughts on the matter.

If a test is done with a smoker who hasn't used a PV (or a non-smoker), then they would need several days 'practice'. I've found that the most effecient means of delivering the nicotine is to take a drag and then hold it in the throat for a few seconds. If the device is used like a cigarette and inhaled fully and then exhaled, absorption goes down.

Second, concentration is importaint and the nicotine that is delivered doesn't correlate with the mg levels. The theory here is that since the nicotine can be trapped in dropplets of PG, 48mg would be more than twice as strong as 24mg. The higher the concentration, the more free base nicotine is available.

So obviously, the test wasn't comprehensive. Otherwise they would have used various nicotine concentrations and probably would have gotten a good idea of how nicotine delivery is scaled based upon concentration. Even someone who had never used a PV could make themselves sick with 48mg juice.

And I think that more rigorous tests will be done. If anything, this data could be used to support acceptance of higher nic concentrations! The whole low12/med18/high24 scheme has seemed flawed to me. If anything, it needs to be bumped up a bit. I'm currently down to 12mg, and the stuff is weaker than any ultralight I've smoked... but there's still some nicotine there. Don't try and take my PV or you'll see a man gettin' mean!

 

[JohnnyVapor]

Interesting, I had no idea somebody had completed any part of what I described. I'll have to do a forum search for Dvap's posts, I'd like to read them.

Thanks!

Here's one of the main links:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ow-much-nicotine-destroyed-during-vaping.html

Great to read all the way through to understand the evolving test procedures and results, however allow me to deliver a particular quote.

Yes, can't see anyone saying there's little nicotine in vapour anymore, I hope.