I second that how much??
Hitcat44, your post on the value of life puts in perspective.
Sorry to all those who I have offended. I am still new to vaping.
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EJuice prices are crazy!!!
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Hitcat44, your post on the value of life puts in perspective.
Sorry to all those who I have offended. I am still new to vaping.
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I saw the boxes my B&M's flavors came in. (They left the door to the stock room open one day.) They are using stuff from wizard labs and OSDIY. Same stuff we can buy. They have some pretty decent mixes and I have duplicated a couple almost exactly.
Put a pretty enough label on it and a blue bottle and he could get $30/15 ml.
dip the lid in wax for another $10.
Have to have a cool name too... Rancid Racoon?
No apologies necessary. You ain't offended me. If you offended anyone-that's on them.
It's All Good.
If you like a certain food and don't want to cook it yourself, you're going to have to pay someone to make it for you. If the 'chef' isn't local, or the food isn't local, you're going to have to pay another person to get it from the 'chef' so that you can have it.......
The further you remove yourself from the 'making' process, the more it's going to cost you to get what you want.
I developed a liking for crawfish and for blue crabs when I lived in Louisiana many years ago. I lived on them because I caught them for free (except for the beer we would drink while catching them). If you could possibly get a decent crawfish dinner in NYC, what do you think it would cost? It would be a heck of a lot more than 'free'.
The B&M's aren't ripping anybody off. They're charging what the market will bear for the goods (and services) they provide to their customer base.
FWIW, a 236 ml bottle of 'Extreme Ice' direct from MBV is about $35, give or take. I have one on the way.
The further you remove yourself from the 'making' process, the more it's going to cost you to get what you want.
I developed a liking for crawfish and for blue crabs when I lived in Louisiana many years ago. I lived on them because I caught them for free (except for the beer we would drink while catching them). If you could possibly get a decent crawfish dinner in NYC, what do you think it would cost? It would be a heck of a lot more than 'free'.
The B&M's aren't ripping anybody off. They're charging what the market will bear for the goods (and services) they provide to their customer base.
FWIW, a 236 ml bottle of 'Extreme Ice' direct from MBV is about $35, give or take. I have one on the way.
I DIY and I have found that the best flavors are the natural ones. Some of the artificial ones are good but overall the natural ones are best. I like Capella pretty well, I also use Flavor concentrates and a few TFA and NF flavorings.
I do agree with you on the supply and demand theory on things. The question on the retailer's pricing came to an issue is when his/hers manufacturer , also in the NYC area, is selling to the consumer at a lower price ( not in bulk). in other words I can order it from him.
My question was/is did he see me as a noob and gouged me.?
Remember the manufacturer is also from the NYC area. Both the retailer and the manufacturer have astronomical overhead costs.
I don't mind if I pay 100 bucks for the Ejuice , it was, did/does he/she charge everyone that 100 bucks for the same Ejuice.
@Robert Cromwell just about to order some Capella flavoring - True Tobacco from Alchemists Cupboard, what setup do you suggest in how much flavor % to add?
Sorry just got my first tobacco flavor in the mail today. Capella Medium tobacco...... I have been buying Clayton tobacco flavor juice 3.16/10ml and cutting it 50% with 50/50 pg/vg. I opened a thread in the DIY forum asking for input on my Capella tob flavoring you might want to watch that one.
E-liquid is ridiculously expensive. I rolled my own cigarettes for over 20 years...I'll make my own juice.
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Will do thanks. I hope the new flavor works for you
edit: can't find the DIY forum you mentioned, sorry to be a pain but do you have a link?
Will do thanks. I hope the new flavor works for you
edit: can't find the DIY forum you mentioned, sorry to be a pain but do you have a link?
Me too I also got 30ml of CAP Sweet Cream and Vanilla Custard, and 10 ml of cantaloupe, Caramel and orange creamsicle. Nice little pkg for $20 including shipping from Wizard Labs.
running out of bottles just ordered 12 more 1 oz amber dropper bottles from amazon for around $9. Prime 2 day shipping so making lots more juice soon.
I am not planning on ordering anything else for the next 2 months. Might need a flavor or two, but I think I am good. Unless I really love the orange creamsicle. Then a 30 ml is needed.
Short answer: could very well be.
A lot of people in the vaping industry, especially a lot of the newcomers, aren't interested in helping anybody. Dollar signs are what they see in their dreams, and nothing else. Much of the government is in this camp.
Ya live and learn. Sorry to be trite about it.
Thanks to ECF you have a knowledge base that can be relied upon to not steer you wrong while you do your homework.
Best of luck to you.
I think what some folks don't realize is it isn't really that easy to make make your own juice and have satisfactory to excellent results.
Many around here don't give themselves enough credit for their DYI skills or keep in mind what comes easily to them is frustratingly difficult to others.
Mix the nic mg/ml wrong or add 10% instead of .10 flavoring or mix the wrong kind (base) of flavorings or a few together that produce dirty sock & diesel flavor and...
I'm fixin to do my post breeding season work on the bulls & return them to off season pasture.
For me it'll be just another normal day, I don't consider it complex, difficult or dangerous and I do it by myself with no help for miles.
But for folks without the same level of skill, confidence & experience it could easily be a dangerous and terrifying experience.
I pay .42 ~ .50 per ml for 30ml bottles of my favorite juices from local B&M's.
I much prefer dealing with an irritated bull in a confined space in the middle of nowhere than to make my own e liquid,,, to each their own.
Many around here don't give themselves enough credit for their DYI skills or keep in mind what comes easily to them is frustratingly difficult to others.
Mix the nic mg/ml wrong or add 10% instead of .10 flavoring or mix the wrong kind (base) of flavorings or a few together that produce dirty sock & diesel flavor and...
I'm fixin to do my post breeding season work on the bulls & return them to off season pasture.
For me it'll be just another normal day, I don't consider it complex, difficult or dangerous and I do it by myself with no help for miles.
But for folks without the same level of skill, confidence & experience it could easily be a dangerous and terrifying experience.
I pay .42 ~ .50 per ml for 30ml bottles of my favorite juices from local B&M's.
I much prefer dealing with an irritated bull in a confined space in the middle of nowhere than to make my own e liquid,,, to each their own.
I'm not seeing any vape vendors selling D.I.Y ingredients at bulk prices even though they claim to sell bulk, which they do. I mean they sell bulk goods but not at bulk prices. Although i'd imagine they work out their prices by comparing what they charge for small 10, 20, 30ml etc bottles to their bulk deals just to make it look like a reasonable deal. It doesn't stop there though. You've seen the prices vape vendors sell organic cotton pads for, and wire !. I know a vendor who gives away organic cotton pads with every order and they add that if you'd like more cotton they provide a link to the supplier where you can buy the same cotton pads in packs of 140 for £1.95, Now that people !, is a very good vendor, kind enough to provide a link to a site that sells organic cotton for a sensible price. Gotta be unique cos i aint found another vendor like that since.
E juice is being sold at a supremely high completely rip off price right the way across the board but it's up to the consumer/customer if they buy it so who cares. It takes me about 5 minutes from start to finish to knock myself up a 20ml bottle of juice that works for me and it costs pennies, as opposed to "gambling" on some so called "gourmet" juice which could turn out to be either too thin or taste real bad or both. Unless you've already used whatever juice you're going to buy then how are you going to know if it's right for you ?, especially when one batch differs from the next or last.
You can find very good advice from a place like ECF. From start up kits to battery safety but not nearly enough encouragement to D.I.Y. Best advice for someone that's just started vaping would be to D.I.Y. Then someone will chime in and give all the negatives for why they shouldn't whilst ignoring the fact that even with ready made e juice the danger still exists.
When i first started vaping all i'd do is google what i was looking for, and i found a lot of vendors, not as many as there are now, and i'd bookmark them, i still have those bookmarks and i still use those vendors. Since i became a member of an online vape forum i have pretty much learned about what's new as far as hardware is concerned and spent a whole load of money, probably a lot more than i would have if a hadn't found the place/s. I can see online vape forums for what they are, and so can anyone else, they don't help people quit smoking, they don't help people do anything, and anyone that ever joined a vape forum had already started vaping before they'd even heard of the places. After all why would anyone join an online vape forum if they weren't already a vaper !. What members do and say while they are there is in no way endorsed by the forum, but it's what members say that makes the forum so valuable in the first place. The only important part about online vape forums is the members and what they have to say. I don't see any registered vendors in any vape forums who sell anything at bulk prices, but maybe there are some. I have to go and google them and i find them without the help from any online forums.
In a vape forum it's more than likely that most advice would be to buy from a vape vendor, but you can pick up juice ingredients from perfectly good suppliers on ebay.
So really the best advice is to just google, google and google some more because if you think you'll find the information you are looking for in a forum, you could, but it is always met with a multitude of other conflicting opinions which confuse the hell out of you and in the end you wind up more confused than you were before you entered. In a lot of ways forums don't help in anyway at all, but in some ways they do.
E juice is being sold at a supremely high completely rip off price right the way across the board but it's up to the consumer/customer if they buy it so who cares. It takes me about 5 minutes from start to finish to knock myself up a 20ml bottle of juice that works for me and it costs pennies, as opposed to "gambling" on some so called "gourmet" juice which could turn out to be either too thin or taste real bad or both. Unless you've already used whatever juice you're going to buy then how are you going to know if it's right for you ?, especially when one batch differs from the next or last.
You can find very good advice from a place like ECF. From start up kits to battery safety but not nearly enough encouragement to D.I.Y. Best advice for someone that's just started vaping would be to D.I.Y. Then someone will chime in and give all the negatives for why they shouldn't whilst ignoring the fact that even with ready made e juice the danger still exists.
When i first started vaping all i'd do is google what i was looking for, and i found a lot of vendors, not as many as there are now, and i'd bookmark them, i still have those bookmarks and i still use those vendors. Since i became a member of an online vape forum i have pretty much learned about what's new as far as hardware is concerned and spent a whole load of money, probably a lot more than i would have if a hadn't found the place/s. I can see online vape forums for what they are, and so can anyone else, they don't help people quit smoking, they don't help people do anything, and anyone that ever joined a vape forum had already started vaping before they'd even heard of the places. After all why would anyone join an online vape forum if they weren't already a vaper !. What members do and say while they are there is in no way endorsed by the forum, but it's what members say that makes the forum so valuable in the first place. The only important part about online vape forums is the members and what they have to say. I don't see any registered vendors in any vape forums who sell anything at bulk prices, but maybe there are some. I have to go and google them and i find them without the help from any online forums.
In a vape forum it's more than likely that most advice would be to buy from a vape vendor, but you can pick up juice ingredients from perfectly good suppliers on ebay.
So really the best advice is to just google, google and google some more because if you think you'll find the information you are looking for in a forum, you could, but it is always met with a multitude of other conflicting opinions which confuse the hell out of you and in the end you wind up more confused than you were before you entered. In a lot of ways forums don't help in anyway at all, but in some ways they do.
I can make 1/2 gal of ejuice for under $50. Not sure how many ml that is though....
on principle alone if for no other reason will I ever again pay 500.00 a month to obtain my nicotine. it will not matter if the juice is organic diketone, triple filtered, golden elixir. it will not happen. I will perhaps treat myself now and again to the one flavour I like but can't duplicate now and then but if it should rise significantly in price I shall learn to like another. I have spent way more money than I ever should have ( 75% of it tax) on nicotine. NEVER AGAIN!
My main reason for starting vaping was to save money. the feeling better and all that is just a side benefit.
Ejuice will always be expensive if you buy it from a brick and mortar store, they are pretty much forced to do markups because of the overhead associated with running a physical retail outlet. Always shop online for ejuice unless you have money to burn or are desperate for some quickly, even better you can make your own, I spend approximately a dollar every 8 oz I make, it's wicked cheap and you have more control over what you are mixing, just be sure to be VERY careful with the nicotine which as we all know is incredibly toxic in a concentrated form
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