Electronic Cigarettes and the future

[IgnorantCig]

I only use pre built coils, mostly ceramic, and I'm liking those, so I'm not interested in anything else.

I tried to rebuild a couple of pre built coils years ago, but that didn't work out too well, so I quickly scrapped that idea.

In the event of the apocalypse, and zombies are wandering around everywhere, and I can no longer order coils to be delivered to my mailbox, I wouldn't see that as a big deal, because vaping probably wouldn't be my highest priority at the time.

I really don't see a total ban on pre built coils happening. I could be wrong of course, but I have zero plans to prepare for such an outcome. If it were to happen, I will figure out plan B when and if it does. I don't worry about it at all to be honest.

There are plenty of things that are currently banned or illegal, and it's not a problem getting those either if you have the right connects.

 

[Rossum]

In the event of the apocalypse, and zombies are wandering around everywhere, and I can no longer order coils to be delivered to my mailbox, I wouldn't see that as a big deal, because vaping probably wouldn't be my highest priority at the time.

Well dang man, your priorities are just plain screwed up!

 

[Eskie]

Well if I saw zombies wandering around, I’d be chain vaping so supplies matter. Good thing I’ll be able to break into drugstores and still find cotton and VG there. I doubt many will be swiping that stuff at the time.

 

[Zazie]

Well if I saw zombies wandering around, I’d be chain vaping so supplies matter. Good thing I’ll be able to break into drugstores and still find cotton and VG there. I doubt many will be swiping that stuff at the time.

Keeping batteries charged could be a problem.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Keeping batteries charges could be a problem.

Get a couple of the hand-crank radios made for 3rd world countries and modify them to the charge batteries. ...or solar charging panels.

 

[Baditude]

I only use pre built coils, mostly ceramic, and I'm liking those, so I'm not interested in anything else.

I really don't see a total ban on pre built coils happening. I could be wrong of course, but I have zero plans to prepare for such an outcome. If it were to happen, I will figure out plan B when and if it does. I don't worry about it at all to be honest.

There are plenty of things that are currently banned or illegal, and it's not a problem getting those either if you have the right connects.

A ban on "open system" atomizers (tanks that use drop in coils and allow the user add the e-liquid themselves) is currently on the drawing board by the FDA. If that is the route that the FDA ends up choosing, the only products that U.S. consumers will be able to buy will be "closed systems" which have disposable single use coil/juice pods or cartridges. PODs and cigalikes. The FDA doesn't seem to want consumers to actually physically touch replaceable coils or e-liquid in any manner.

New proposed FDA and UL guidelines for e-cigarette manufacturers that will affect YOU.

Pay attention to this line: "The device must also be designed in a way that makes it difficult for the user to change the heating coil or other major component."
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You weren't vaping when the FDA declared vaping to be illegal and e-cig products were banned from being imported. Overseas vape products were seized by U.S. Customs. U.S. online vapor companies couldn't get products to sell and most of them went out of business for good. After several months passed, a judge ruled that the FDA couldn't ban vape products, but ordered the agency to setup up regulations to monitor vape products. That is what is currently known as the Deeming Regulations. They make the decision of what can and can't be sold in the U.S. The final effective date keeps getting pushed back and the final rules/guidelines are still being adjusted.

My point here is, even if you have the right "connects", if the FDA decides certain things should be banned, it will be very, very difficult to get your hands on them. But this information is irrelevant to you apparently because you have a Plan B or don't worry about it at all because you aren't addicted to nicotine. Good luck with that mindset.

 

[evan le'garde]

Recently i've wondered if those who claim vaping is an unhealthy habit are basing those claims on the % of the devices which are being produced which tend not to work as claimed by the industry. Such as drop in coils. Only works in the sense that they make a lot of money.

The industry continues to ignore reality until the whole thing gets regulated out of existence. And they couldn't care less because they made their money and knew it was going to happen eventually.

So they'll just continue in the same way until they finally screw it all up beyond repair.

It is a shame because the industry isn't completely made up of those companies who manufacture stuff that doesn't work properly. They're just ruining it for everyone else though.

So if the public are being told vaping is bad for their health, there probably is some truth in it.

Though the vaping gear i use is perfectly harmless.

So maybe folks like the FDA should be focusing their attention on those companies which make stuff that doesn't work properly whilst leaving everyone else alone.

If your device provides regular dry hits which are made from toxic chemicals then you should know that the company who designed it and had it manufactured is responsible for the bad press vaping gets.

They shouldn't be allowed to do business in the vaping industry.

 

[Baditude]

So if the public are being told vaping is bad for their health, there probably is some truth in it....So maybe folks like the FDA should be focusing their attention on those companies which make stuff that doesn't work properly whilst leaving everyone else alone....If your device provides regular dry hits which are made from toxic chemicals then you should know that the company who designed it and had it manufactured is responsible for the bad press vaping gets....They shouldn't be allowed to do business in the vaping industry.

Although I believe there should be some regulation in the vaping industry, it isn't because of the reasons you claim above.

I've used rebuildables successfully for years in the past. However, for the last couple of years I've chosen to use drop in coils almost exclusively. That's my choice and I have "my reasons" which are valid for me.

I don't get the dry hits you speak of, nor have leaky tanks. One has to understand how a product works in order to avoid issues. You don't have to vape only a rebuildable to be issue free or enjoy a good vape.

Every model tank will have its peculiarities. It's up to you to research and find what they are. I've used a dozen different tanks with drop in coils; some I like better than others, but I've yet to use one that gave consistant dry hits.

IMHO, you're doing a disservice to new vapers making claims like that. The vast majority of new vapers want no part of having making their own coils and wicks to get a decent vape. And they don't have to.

 

[Jebbn]

I have quite a few different drop in coil tanks. None are really that bad, none leak and burnt coils arent really an issue, some actually seem like theyre indestructible.

 

[evan le'garde]

Just a few days ago a new member entered and complained of constant problems with drop ins. Couldn't be solved. Happens regularly here in this forum.

After about a week of discussions with several other members this new member went out and bought a rebuildable. Now they're happy.

I'm not with the FDA. "Apparently" they're going to wipe out the open system style atomizers regardless of what i have to say about it.

I did read that right, right ?.

What i'm saying is the FDA, if they want to ban anything, should then ban drop ins.

Or should they just ban everything then ?.

You build a thousand coils, then a % of those coils simply aren't going to work. Handmade or otherwise that's just how it goes.

The industry builds thousands of coils, couldn't care less if they work or not but still expect the vaping community, not just to support them financially, but to be fulltime pro bono advocates.

The first and second paragraphs of this post illustrate the direction our community would go in if the drop in coil market were non existent. It's the typical advice given by EFC members. It's the advice given in any e-cigarette forum is my guess.

How stupid does this sound: You build a coil, wick it, you get dry hits, so you don't change the wick, oh no, you remove the coil completely and then start all over again. .

And i expect if the wire industry was only interested in selling as much wire as they could, this would be their advice.

This is the only option provided by the drop in coil section of the industry.

 

[Zazie]

If I had to build, I likely would not be able to vape.

 

[PapawBrett]

If I had to build, I likely would not be able to vape.

70-something-year old women learned to make coils for their REOS Mods when the RM2 came out.
And were proud of it !
Mech Mods, and Rebuildable Atomizers, will endure.
And it is still better than smoking !

 

[Morgan_Drury]

You'd think these manufacturers would make drop in coils which were built to be re-wicked. We all know coils don't last forever. But coils / massed produced coils are hit and miss given the fact that the pre-installed cotton could be either too tight or too loose.

These manufacturers should be looking into ways to innovate an "applicator" to insert the cotton. They could charge for that device. Tailor made cotton inside a little plastic applicator which can be easily used to insert into a drop in coil.

It's not a new idea either is it.

And they'd probably make more money with something like this.

Simple solution that's close.

 

[sofarsogood]

My preference is to rewick twice a week and rebuild once or twice a month because I find the vapor texture to be better. That would be an expensive proposition with drop in coils that exist today. A few days ago I got a Lost vape orion and an Aspire AIO. They do not vape as well as my rda and rta but they vape well enough that I'm happy to use them when those form factors are the best choice. Because they can't be rebuilt I'll use them only as backups or especially stealthy situations, in other words, not many puffs per year. If there is interference via taxes or bans it will be a shame but I'll still be using my (stockpiled) buildable stuff most of the time.

I've had zero success persuading other vapers to stockpile. To each his own.

 

[United States]

Drop in's for me. Yeah, I can build too. And my hand rolled cigarettes look factory.

But I choose convenience.

I don't buy stuff from the internet at the least expensive places. Nope I go to a shop and rap with real people who will make it right if they sell me a dud or two.

 

[stols001]

I buy online for a host of reasons, including selection.

Honestly, I really like some of my drop in mods, and I have stockpiled enough coils for a small army of the ones I like, more or less.

RTAs are also fantastic, and well self-sufficiency, yes, it is a nice thing.

You should see the Juul adverts around here, blazoned on every freaking gas station door. I'm starting to wonder if they're still selling cigarettes. Or gasoline for that matter.

Juul is going All Out, and they like it. If I were new to vaping, I'm fairly sure I would have gotten a Juul. Because it is everywhere. LOL

Anna

 

[Cool_Breeze]

What are the co$ts associated with the Juul?

 

[stols001]

Pretty high but you can get refillable empty pods now apparently. That could save some dough although people tend to get addicted to the juul pods themselves, apparently.

When I looked, the mod cost like 50 bucks, I can't remember with the pods. Juul also has no incentive to give you a starter kit for less, like some of the other cigalikes. They are already winning the war and have no real incentive to, etc.

Anna

 

[Rossum]

What are the co$ts associated with the Juul?

A starter kit is $50. That's the device and an assortment of four pods in different flavors.

Four-packs of pods are $16.

These are the "MSRP" on Juul's own site and they haven't changed in 3-1/2 years. Various Discounts and coupons can be found, and prices may be higher in places that have vape taxes.

Assuming one pod is the equivalent of a pack of smokes (which I'm inclined to believe), it's still cheaper than smoking store-bought cigs in most places.