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RatInDaHat

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and other news of merit. i'm getting some new flavor samples which aren't for sale yet, but one of them is orange. I have some vanilla sitting at home right now. See where this is going? Oh yes. creamsicle. If that's not a desert flavor, i don't know what is. I'll let you all know how it turns out.

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commercial and investment banks created new financial mechanisms to expand housing credit to borrowers with little creditworthiness. The Fed declined to regulate these dubious practices. Virtually anyone could borrow to buy a house, with little or even no down payment, and with interest charges pushed years into the future. ...."
THAT right there is the heart of it. Your source glosses right over the real cause of the problem, but even he had to acknowledge it. It was the junk morgtages, and junk credit being bought and sold that caused this mess.

And the failure of the government agencies in charge to regulate it.

Lowering interest rates to spur loans and investment is a GOOD thing. Failure to regulate the way those loans are given, bought, sold, and valued, is a BAD thing.
 

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THAT right there is the heart of it. Your source glosses right over the real cause of the problem, but even he had to acknowledge it. It was the junk morgtages, and junk credit being bought and sold that caused this mess.

And the failure of the government agencies in charge to regulate it.

Lowering interest rates to spur loans and investment is a GOOD thing. Failure to regulate the way those loans are given, bought, sold, and valued, is a BAD thing.

It's the government regulation of interest rates that caused the problem. If the free market had been allowed to set the rates, no bank in its right mind would have lent out the bad loans.

Here is where I got the quote:

"http://www.mmegi.bw/index.php?sid=2&aid=15&dir=2008/march/Wednesday26"
 

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If the free market set interest rates without any regulation, we'd be constantly vulnerable to market forces with little or no means or mechanism to stop or avert anything from runaway inflation to another great depression. Do you really want an uncontrolled and uncontrollable economy? PUH-leeze. That kind of pure capitalism works only for those at the very top, and at the expense of everyone else. India is a MUCH purer capitalist economy than ours. Is that a model you really want to follow?

And thank you for providing the source. Perhaps you should look at him a bit closer.

Jeffrey Sachs' economic theories have been put into action in several countries whom he advised in making the transition from a centralized market to a free market, so he's a rare bird in economics; someone whose ideas have actually had real world testing.

The result of his unregulated economies? On the success side, hyperinflation was reigned in, and GDP rose dramatically. On the other hand, though, unemployment, numbers of people living in poverty, and the depth of that poverty, all skyrocketed as did crime rates and class violence, while the average standard of living fell drastically.

IOW, the rich got VERY rich, the middle class got poor, and the poor got VERY poor.

I'll say it again, an unregulated economy benefits those at the very top, at the expense of everyone else.

Is that the model you want to follow? I mean, it didn't work out so well in Poland, or Bolivia, for two, so do you really want to do it here?

But getting back to his argument in THIS situation, Sachs is blaming the wrong cause in order to further his larger argument against the Fed. But it's a fallacious argument. Arguing that the Fed's power to set interest rates was the cause, instead of the bad business practices practiced by the credit industry, is like blaming the victim of a robbery for having too much cash on hand instead of blaming the robber who took it! Or perhaps, blaming the bank that let the victim withdraw so much money.

The credit industry robbed consumers by giving them loans they knew the borrowers didn't qualify for and couldn't pay; they robbed other creditors whom they sold the loans to; they robbed their own stockholders when they overvalued those loans and disguised their worthlessness; and if they get bailed out, which we pretty much have to do, they will be robbing the taxpayers, too. And it's the robbers at fault for a robbery.

The fault attached to the government is that they could have, and should have, monitored and regulated them closer, and thus prevented it. ANd a few decades ago, they were doing that. So I guess you could say that's like having a cop watching you get robbed, and doing nothing. The robber's still responsible, but the cop failed to do his duty. The government has a responsibility to protect the public through regulation, and didn't.
 
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RatInDaHat

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You two are arguing the extremes of the situation. We are way off topic, but i'm gonna throw one thing out. Don't expect me to respond about it afterwards.

The current situation is directly related to both lack of regulation and the regulations that were enforced. Let me explain.

The government enforces the lowering of rates to stimulate the economy. The banks, without major oversight, start with the loans that were questionable. Both of these things contribute to the situation. There is no One cause. Life is not black and white.

that's all i have to say about it. Thanks for completely sidetracking the topic.

-Dusty-
 

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Hi Jane! As a UK bod, I'll never be able to buy from you but I'm glad to see a post or two given how often you're referred to on the forum here.

Gary old son, I see what you're going for but that should have been a PM to Jane. If I was selling socks I wouldn't want anybody with feet to see me getting lectured on how to knit - but I wouldn't mind a ball of wool on the QT...

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Thanks to everyone who interceded in the diatribe from Gary W. I do try to give my business in Il. to Katy at thesmokelessshop. She has a fledgling business, and is just great to deal with...She even put together her new "Ultimate Kit" based on all of Kate 's recommendations.
I wish I could sell across the pond. Anytime one of you folks jumps across, let me know... I'll load you up. Thanks again........
 

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Jane is the best!!!! She is there for me. She knows how and thank you very much Jane. I got the Abandon Mint in today. WOW! I didn't even like Menthol but I do love your Abandon Mint. I invited a guy that lives here in my town that I have converted to Vaping. He went crazy over it. I am hoping that he will order from her soon.

Jane,

I am also going to mail back the carts that you sent. They don't fit the NJoy NPRO. However I am also going to put in one of the NPRO carts so you will know what fits them in the future. I appreciate you more than you know. My son even said that "Ms.Jane is a really nice woman. We should cook her dinner because I don't like it when you smoke real cigarettes." Did I say thank you Jane? THANK YOU!!!!!
 

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Ok, you don't ship to your own state because of sales tax, so I assume you don't have a sales/use tax license (that's what's it's called in PA)?

I went looking for your site based upon the good reviews for "Jane's" juice but based upon your apparent lack of even simple state licensing (trust me, you aren't exempt from use tax, and the state license is easy to obtain) and the website that barely works I can't in good faith buy any juice.

Look for some free os/carts, and find someone willing to build you a nice one if you don't have html/php skills. Get your tax license and your federal EIN if you don't have one already. PayPal is a decent soultion for a small site... be warned that if one customer complians to PP that they are dissatisfied or even worse "harmed" by your product, you will lose your PP acccount.

A real CC processor is going to cost some $$$. If you are doing decent business every month (say $2500+) then the CC fees will absorb nicely. If you are doing less than that, then plan to increase prices to absorb the cost. No CC merchant account will not even consider you until you have at least a sales tax license and a business bank account.

File your local sales tax as required and be prepared to run a real business. If you are using your home then start logging square footage for home vs. business and start deducting everthing that falls on the business side.

Just my advise, I've been running a Magic Trick business for 3 years now, and it's still not going as I had planned, but it's work. The tax deductions from "loss" are gold and if you live in the USA you should be doing this. (AIG, Fanny Mae and all the other crooks seem to do well.)

I've actually thought about doing the e-cig business, but I personally think the is a really volitle market so I'm out. But if you are going to do it, do it right, before someone more official makes you do it that way.

Gary, get a FRIKIN life, and do not suppose you know this person. Jane called me today, and I am seeing her in the AM, she is helping me with my ecig obsession, and sounds like an absolutely DELIGHTFUL, business person.:evil:

Chill out baby, and let it go............
 

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DElETE THE OFF TOPIC POSTS!
You two are arguing the extremes of the situation. We are way off topic, but i'm gonna throw one thing out. Don't expect me to respond about it afterwards.

The current situation is directly related to both lack of regulation and the regulations that were enforced. Let me explain.

The government enforces the lowering of rates to stimulate the economy. The banks, without major oversight, start with the loans that were questionable. Both of these things contribute to the situation. There is no One cause. Life is not black and white.

that's all i have to say about it. Thanks for completely sidetracking the topic.

-Dusty-
 

SMILIN

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Jane,

You saved me baby, it was a true pleasure, meeting you yesterday. I cannot believe how much you taught me, regarding the art of the ecig. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. You are 1 knowledgable little lady, and cute, to boot. Please email me your high school photo, cause I wanna show it to my wife, and daughter. Uncanny resemblence.

I saved my buddy, with your wonderful products last night. He could not believe how much better your pen style was, compared to his Njoy. The battery's last longer, the cig smokes better, and he LOVES your juice, as well.

I think I need to reduce the Nicotine content of the juice, cause we smoke so much, and had to cut back due to being so strong. See, you were right, and I was wrong. We need TT, I tried calling you so I can order more, I know, the 6 I bought yesterday, are just not enough.

I am turning smoking friends onto ecigs now....and so far, they are loving it.

I give Jane, and her products, my highest reco, for being the finest for the money. She really cares, and works with the factory to produce the best, for the least.

I was impressed with the amount of product she has in stock, WOW:thumb:8-o:p

Once again

Thanks

Steve
 

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OMG! I received my Menthol Kick from Jane today! Dripped it on my "great white" I really like it! Lots of minty taste compared to other brands I have tried. Cool on the tongue when you inhale and a slight minty taste in your mouth after you exhale. just had to share that with you. Jane is the best has treated me great every time I order.
 
Hi ya'll, I been lurking on these forums for a couple weeks now, it's been a big help.

I got a pen style from Jane about a week and a half ago and love it. Only smoked 1-3 cigs a day before I got it, but haven't smoked a regular cigarette since. She shipped it out so fast it was ridiculous. I bought it on a Friday afternoon and was surprised to find it in the mailbox on Monday. It was missing the regular US power cord, but I emailed her and received a power cord in 2 days with a little sample bottle of "state express" and 5 empty cartridges. Damn good customer service if you ask me.

Her Abandon-Mint is awesome and really satisfies my cravings. I probably shouldn't have gotten the "high" nicotine juice, because I'm probably getting too much nicotine now, as it's hard to put this thing down. The "state express" which I think I read is the same as 555 is just not my cup of tea though. It kind of tastes like burnt popcorn or something, can't quite put my finger on the taste, but I really can't stand it. Do the other tobacco flavors have a similar taste? If so I think I'll stick to Mint and maybe some other flavors like fruit, chocolate or coffee. Glad I got to try it though before I bought a bunch of it.

All in all though, I'm really enjoying this e-smoking and hopefully won't ever go back to analogues again. Thanks
 
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