I'd also mention this - when a dodgy manufacturer in California sells (and hurts) a lot of people with some tainted protein shakes we don't say: The USA sold its own people poison shakes! USA poisons Californians. Nobody says "Britain kills teens with Mad Cow!" and point out how the dead bodies show what 'Britain did'. In the same way it's not helpful for anyone to say 'China sold....' China CPA definitely DOES NOT want any tainted, poison or dangerous ANYTHING ever going overseas. IN fact, they are HARSHER on standards on exports than on their own people (sad to say) but you can see for yourself. 'China' doesn't do this. SOME ( a small % ) of unethical or just plain stupid or greedy manufacturers in China do criminal things. They also get caught and SEVERELY punished btw. Again, I know all about bad stuff in China and there is a real problem there (often with bribes, short-cuts etc), but, Its not like the 'Nation of China' does something. Criminals do things.
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I'd also mention this - when a dodgy manufacturer in California sells (and hurts) a lot of people with some tainted protein shakes we don't say: The USA sold its own people poison shakes! USA poisons Californians. Nobody says "Britain kills teens with Mad Cow!" and point out how the dead bodies show what 'Britain did'. In the same way it's not helpful for anyone to say 'China sold....' China CPA definitely DOES NOT want any tainted, poison or dangerous ANYTHING ever going overseas. IN fact, they are HARSHER on standards on exports than on their own people (sad to say) but you can see for yourself. 'China' doesn't do this. SOME ( a small % ) of unethical or just plain stupid or greedy manufacturers in China do criminal things. They also get caught and SEVERELY punished btw. Again, I know all about bad stuff in China and there is a real problem there (often with bribes, short-cuts etc), but, Its not like the 'Nation of China' does something. Criminals do things.
That's part of the problem. A: If you are ordering "dekang" on a website, there's no way to know if what you are ordering is actual dekang, or some cheap knockoff made in a basement in China with ingredients that were never approved for export. A search of the dekang site doesn't show any official US distributor, and the word dekang has become the term for any cheap liquid of chinese or unknown origin. B: The criminals aren't caught or punished until after the deaths are reported in the media.
I hate to do this but just to make the point:
And of course, don't order anything from any unknown never-reviewed 'mystery owner' websites. Chinese, Russian or otherwise!
(interestingly, the one time I got totally scammed from a website it was actually well-known, registered, reviewed etc and based in Montreal of all places. Not mentioning names but Visa is VERY interested in them right now).
Having said that - my Chinese supplier has been absolutely excellent over and over again and I suspect they definitely do NOT want counterfeit e-juice destroying a pretty sweet little cash haul they got going on over there.
And of course, don't order anything from any unknown never-reviewed 'mystery owner' websites. Chinese, Russian or otherwise!
(interestingly, the one time I got totally scammed from a website it was actually well-known, registered, reviewed etc and based in Montreal of all places. Not mentioning names but Visa is VERY interested in them right now).
Having said that - my Chinese supplier has been absolutely excellent over and over again and I suspect they definitely do NOT want counterfeit e-juice destroying a pretty sweet little cash haul they got going on over there.
USA! Just because you can find the same great prices here, for the same price. USA vendors also tend to use 20% VG, which makes nice clouds. But beware of AMAZING prices! If you want to buy a 30ml bottle of juice for $7.99, you're going to get what you pay for. Usually around the 50¢ per ml price point will get you good juice. I would rather buy handmade and quality tested juice from a private vendor, than some inconsistent sludge squirted out of a barrel for a good price. Trial and error, mostly error.
14-trillion-dollar national debt... do your part, buy American! : )
Also, American juices will be up to American standards...
Also, American juices will be up to American standards...
I buy all my juice from the USA. I trust my supplier (puresmoker) and if I go anywhere else for juice it will be an American company that is listed on ECF.
They won't let crap vendors have a slot on ECF
With the US owing china so much money already why send them more if it can be avoided. Besides it may be a quality product from china but china doesn't treat their employees well. It's almost like slave labor! Cmon ppl if a Chinese company has to make their employees sign contracts that they won't commit suicide or harm an coworkers because of a NEED to make such a contract wtf?!!
I buy American to help American companies and American economy. Besides if more buy American than more American companies can up their production (ie big shiny labs etc)
They won't let crap vendors have a slot on ECF
With the US owing china so much money already why send them more if it can be avoided. Besides it may be a quality product from china but china doesn't treat their employees well. It's almost like slave labor! Cmon ppl if a Chinese company has to make their employees sign contracts that they won't commit suicide or harm an coworkers because of a NEED to make such a contract wtf?!!
I buy American to help American companies and American economy. Besides if more buy American than more American companies can up their production (ie big shiny labs etc)
Definitely USA made. If you check vendor sites carefully you can find out if they make the juice or just repackage it. Some vendors will say things like 100% made/assembled in the US (but with parts they bought overseas). The good vendors are proud of their products and will state they made the juice. Who knows what is in a product from China? Remember the melamine tainted milk and baby formula from China? Heck, they may even stick formaldehyde in a juice. I'm not vaping that crud.
This would be laughable if it wasn't so lacking in accuracy. Since the personal vaporizer was invented in China and all the atomizers & cartomizers come from China, I would suggest you continue to smoke good old American made cigarettes. Who knows what they make those atomizers and cartomizers out of or what kind of chemicals are used in the manufacturing process.
I hate Gourmet vapors. I orderd a whole bunch from them, and told the owner that I was allergic to nic and to make sure non gets in mine. All of my tabacco flavored juices were straight VG, I swear, there was NO flavor. Plus, the other flavors sucked. It was gross. IMHO, I will never buy from them again.
It's illogical to think that just because it started in china and we get or hardware from there, that their liquid is safe. An Asian person, from Singapore, told me they won't even trust Chinese made e-juice because of the lack of regulation. If someone from Asia doesn't trust their own countries regualtion, that is the biggest indicator to me that I will keep my money in the USA, for e-juice. Also, Why not support the USA economy? It's a win-win.
Yes it's not the Chinese government that poison's people, it's criminals. Thats pretty obvious and not the point. The point is they really do not care what they give you as long as they make a little money. And i ordered Dekand directly from there manufacturer, it takes a little e-mailing and searching, but that's how I did it. Eastmall liquids are Not Dekang, the only way to know for sure if it's true Dekang, is if there logo is imprinted on the cap. Very rare to actually get Dekang liquids.. Also, they do NOT get into trouble for selling bad product. If we got sick from a chinese product, there is absolutly NOTHing you can do about it. You cannot sue someone oversees, or in anyway require them to go to court. THATS why it is dangerous.
With the hundreds of thousands who have used Chinese eliquid for 2-3 years without incident, it is just as illogical to think that some American eliquid, made in someone's basement, is safer than Chinese eliquid. I am all for buying American but I am against the blatant bias of lableling all Chinese eliquid as unsafe as you are doing. And as far as sueing someone, that is another problem in this country that the first thing you think of is to sue someone because you chose to use a product that is not regulated here or anywhere else if you get ill.
You can sue someone in the US who makes you ill from a bad product, not from Asia. If someones liquid made me sick, because they poisened it, or there was a high amount of bacteria, I would sue the .... out of them, and that is everyone's in this country's given right, the beauty of free market and America. The first thing to do would be to go to the doc, second would be to get the liquid tested, third would be to sue them.. And as for chosing something that is not regulated.. thats why you dont use chinese liquids.. The only regualted and FDA registerd place I have heard of in the US is JC...The only juice I will inhale. The whole point is chosing the best liquid, then you say the problem with this country is sueing people because you chose to by an unregulated product.. If you got seriously ill from a US supplier's e-juice, wouldn't you want to sue them? Lets say you come to find that they are producing juice in their basements, and let the liquid sit out and get stuff all in it, then sold it to me as if it weren't a big deal, and their site garauntees goodness. If someone is selling people a product they better damn well make sure it is safe.. That is the bottom line. You want everything to be double checked and regulated by the government? Do you want high taxes on all of you e-cig needs? Then you better make sure people are running a professional business, before you buy from them. And if they aren't, you have the right to pursue them because they ....ed you over, you don't need the government to do that for you, learn to wipe your own ....
You can sue someone in the US who makes you ill from a bad product, not from Asia. If someones liquid made me sick, because they poisened it, or there was a high amount of bacteria, I would sue the .... out of them, and that is everyone's in this country's given right, the beauty of free market and America. The first thing to do would be to go to the doc, second would be to get the liquid tested, third would be to sue them.. And as for chosing something that is not regulated.. thats why you dont use chinese liquids.. The only regualted and FDA registerd place I have heard of in the US is JC...The only juice I will inhale. The whole point is chosing the best liquid, then you say the problem with this country is sueing people because you chose to by an unregulated product.. If you got seriously ill from a US supplier's e-juice, wouldn't you want to sue them? Lets say you come to find that they are producing juice in their basements, and let the liquid sit out and get stuff all in it, then sold it to me as if it weren't a big deal, and their site garauntees goodness. If someone is selling people a product they better damn well make sure it is safe.. That is the bottom line. You want everything to be double checked and regulated by the government? Do you want high taxes on all of you e-cig needs? Then you better make sure people are running a professional business, before you buy from them. And if they aren't, you have the right to pursue them because they ....ed you over, you don't need the government to do that for you, learn to wipe your own ....
You remind me of the lady who sued McDonalds because she spilled hot coffee on herself. You are not willing to take responsibility for your own decisions, weigh the risks and live with the result. It's why so many businesses fail because the cost of liability insurance is through the roof. It's why innovative products like personal vaporizers originated in China instead of the US. The risk is too great in the US to develop this type of product because of people who's first instinct is to sue someone.
My point exactly, the chances of getting Dekang liquid, just because the supplier claims it is Dekang, is slim. Dekang is slang for "Chinese" or of unknown origin. The fact that the Dekang factory is top of the line means nothing if you don't know what you're getting. 99% of the people vaping Chinese liquids are assuming they are getting Dekang, but really have no idea what they are getting. And what happens when Dekang's VG supplier sends them a 55,000 gallon tanker truck of DEG mislabeled as VG? The fact that Dekang employees wear rubber gloves and hair nets and work in a clean room when they mix their juices won't mean a thing either.
Of course I sometimes vape leftovers when a cousin who vapes passes on the flavors he doesn't like to my brother and I, and I'm sure most of those are "Dekang" (aka - unknown origin). But I don't buy Chinese liquids.
Maybe I should not have used the word regualted, that's not what I meant. I do not think their should be ANy governement involvment in eliquid company development in the US. I think there should be as many eutrapenuers out there as possible, trying to create small businesses. The cost of liability insurance is Not the reason why businesses are failing right now, shows your ignorance. It's the tax's on small business owners right now who did not register their business "correctly" before certain tax seasons. Small business's don't even have a chance right now, not gonna get into that. The whole point is is that when you are browsing through websites that seams so enticing to buy e-juice from, and their site seems so professional, then they send you poisened juice; that is mis-advertising and very dangerous. Your not selling clothing a car or other goods that do not claim good for you, your'e selling a substance that people inahle all day into their lungs, which is supposed to be a healtheir alternative. When you are selling a healthier alternative, you better make sure that it is what you say. If people were allowed to just sell people crap in the US that makes there consumers sick, and get away with it, America would not be the country it is today, (well not today but 10 years ago). We do not need government to come in and regulate our e-juices, we need to keep small business owners in check OURSELVES and make sure they are accountable for their products. And as for the woman who sued McD's for spilling hot coffee oon herself, I think it's ridiculous but give her lawyer MAJOR props for pulling it off and holding them accountable without government regulations on coffee tempatures. That's why having the right to confront business owners, sue them and make them accountable, is a good and needed thing.
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I have been using Chinese liquids for about 2 years, no great problems. I do find that it sucks when the suppliers change from one to another and the place that I purchased the liquids from doesn't inform me. I have had some Halo and Wicked eliquid and they did taste wonderful, but for the cost, I can get 2x as much passable eliquid as I can the name brand stuff.
As for safety, I know I'm a noob, but really... can anyone be sure about anything in relation to where it comes from? Add to that, do you know EVERYTHING that was in the analogs you smoked? So, you buys you's ticket and you take's you's chances. Now if it smells like ammonia, you might want to reconsider vaping it, but buying from places like Light in the Box, or HG hasn't made me feel any worse than my analogs did, quite the opposite in fact. So I suppose it's sorta like buying 'organic' foods. They might have been labeled organic, but that doesn't mean they ARE organic even though it's FDA regulated.
As for safety, I know I'm a noob, but really... can anyone be sure about anything in relation to where it comes from? Add to that, do you know EVERYTHING that was in the analogs you smoked? So, you buys you's ticket and you take's you's chances. Now if it smells like ammonia, you might want to reconsider vaping it, but buying from places like Light in the Box, or HG hasn't made me feel any worse than my analogs did, quite the opposite in fact. So I suppose it's sorta like buying 'organic' foods. They might have been labeled organic, but that doesn't mean they ARE organic even though it's FDA regulated.
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