End of days - for real

[Di]

END OF DAYS -- FOR REAL

I have been asked by Ed of E-ciggy to post this for us
see below this email for instructions from Ed......
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From: Keith Moyle [mailto:keith.moyle@dhs.vic.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 December 2008 10:02 AM
To: Electronic Ciggy
Subject: Enquiry from Electronic Ciggy

I am writing to you in relation to the sale or supply of electronic smoking
devices or electronic cigarettes containing nicotine intended for human use.

I wish to inform you that the Minister for Health recently amended the
Victorian Poisons Code made under section 12 of the Drugs, Poisons and
Controlled Substances Act 1981 to include nicotine for human use when it is
included in Schedule 7 in Chapter 1 Part 2 List of substances that are not
for general sale by retail. The effective date of the amendment is 1 January
2009.

The effect of this is to prohibit from 1 January 2009 the sale or supply by
retail of nicotine for human use when it is included in Schedule 7. Retail
sale would constitute an offence against regulation 65 of Drugs, Poisons and
Controlled Substances Regulations 2006. Products affected include electronic
smoking devices or electronic cigarettes containing nicotine intended for
human use.

This brings Victorian controls into line with controls in other States and
Territories.

The Poisons Code can be found at
http://www.health.vic.gov.au/dpu/poicode.htm
The Drugs Poisons and Controlled Substances Regulations 2006 can be found at
http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/Domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubLawToday.nsf/b12e
276826f7c27fca256de50022686b/B77EC484E64A97EECA2574020001F97B/$FILE/06-57sr0
03.doc

If you require any clarification of the amendment or its effect, please
contact the Duty Officer, Drugs and Poisons Regulation Group on tel 1300 364
545.

Yours sincerely


Keith Moyle
Manager, Drugs and Poisons Regulation Group
Department of Human Services
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Ed is understandably very upset
and not sure where this is all going to go,
but at this time --

IF YOU WANT LIQUID GET IT NOW.

ALL ORDERS MUST BE FINALIZED BY MIDNIGHT TONIGHT
ALL ORDERS MUST BE PAID BY PAYPAL.

ORDERS FOR e-liquid WILL BE STOPPED AT MIDNIGHT TONIGHT - 31-12-2008

What the future holds for E-ciggy and any other E-cigarette suppliers is anyones guess,

Australia is a colony of Great Britain, so is Canada, who will be next.........
UK …. Canada ….

Di ….

 

[gizmo]

Came out of the blue that did,very sad day indeed.

 

[dc2k08]

Do you think the other states will follow this lead shortly?

 

[Di]

are all the other states already there .....

from the report posted below.....

This brings Victorian controls into line with controls in other States and Territories

does this mean it is already banned in all other states....

Di .....

 

[gizmo]

I think your right dikerry..after reading that email to ED again,theres no mention of just not selling to Victorians..may be a country wide king hit.

http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/minister-for-health/victorian-ban-on-battery-powered-cigarette.html

A snip from that link.
" This will ensure that unregulated nicotine delivery systems for humans are not supplied on the domestic market in any Australian State or Territory.'

 

[billyboy689]

wow , i just came from eciggy ,having made a bit of an order
looks like it is hitting the fan big time
i feel sorry for eciggy.com and anyone else really who was going in for the retail side of things , i contemplated it months ago but though to wait and see what happens , kind of glad i did
should still be ways and means of getting stuff , lots of things are illegal yet easy to obtain
i always thought that once the government realises the threat to taxation that ecigs are , that they would move in for the kill
all they care about is money

 

[cucurucho]

Just FYI, here's a copy of the email I sent to the NSW Health tobacco resources people today.

Dear Resources Officer,

I read today about the state of Victoria banning the sale and use of 'battery-powered cigarettes', also known as 'electronic cigarettes' ( VICTORIAN BAN ON BATTERY-POWERED CIGARETTE - Premier of Victoria, Australia ). I have since read some rumours that similar bans are planned for NSW, and would like to know more about these plans, if indeed the rumours are true.

I have been using an electronic cigarette for three months now, and am concerned that if they are banned I may end up returning to smoking of tobacco products. I would like to know if there have been any studies conducted in Australia that have demonstrated health risks involved in 'e-smoking' that do not apply to other (in my experience, less successful) nicotine replacement methods like patches and gum. I would greatly appreciate it if you could let me know if you are aware of any plans to ban the devices and refer me to someone who might be able to give me more information on the plans.

Kind Regards,

 

[Di]

this will be us
hunted by interpol

Di ......

 

[billyboy689]

just got my last juice order from eciggy aus , kinda sad
thanks ed , for havin a go

 

[Trumpybloke]

My Order from Ed also arrived today... kinda cant help but feel we should be having a wake or summat............

 

[Ads1969]

"An E cigarette is at present a regulated poison in Qld and is a breach of the H(D&P)R to obtain, possess, use, sell etc. An inspector under the Act/Regulation has the authority to investigate a person who may be in possession of an E cigarette and seize same. Legal proceedings may also be instituted."

 

[BettyRedondo]

I am going to Sydney in a couple of weeks are they going to take my ecig off me at customs, they always check our bags when we go in, normally looking for fruit ect.

 

[Walrus]

So how does this affect your ability to use 'personal vaporizers' with 0 nic liquids? It seems they are tying them in to nicotine delivery.

 

[Ads1969]

So how does this affect your ability to use 'personal vaporizers' with 0 nic liquids? It seems they are tying them in to nicotine delivery.

It seems that in the Australian State of Queensland at least that QLD Health have found that even use and posession are illegal. Due to them saying that they are a dispenser of a "regulated poison".

 

[Ads1969]

Any ideas on how we can fight this? As you may have read in my other posts, not only the sale, but now the use and posession of an e-cigarette is illegal in QLD due to the wisdom of QLD Health.

I just cant enjoy a vape outdoors now, as Im constantly on guard looking for police etc.

Something really needs to be done before other states follow suit.

are all the other states already there .....

from the report posted below.....

This brings Victorian controls into line with controls in other States and Territories

does this mean it is already banned in all other states....

Di .....

 

[gizmo]

Hi Ads...just be discrete when vaping,I tend to ignore unjust laws..the deal is done & we cant do a thing about it.

Flawed Tobacco Bill Will Cost Lives, Say Experts - Associated Content

 

[katink]

I guess it might be wiser to get hold of (or make) 'uncommon shapes' for your vaporizers too. Perhaps go the route of making them look as much as possible like asthma-inhalers? And perhaps use, at least out of doors, the original Ruyan-liquid, so hardly any or no smoke is to be seen?
Really sad... hope some higher-ups see how stupid they are acting real soon...

 

[Di]

as I understand the law and the ban

the e-liquid containing nicotine is banned
if an e-cig or a cartridge contains nicotine it is banned

the devices themselves are not banned.

Di .....

 

[Ads1969]

Hi Ads...just be discrete when vaping,I tend to ignore unjust laws..the deal is done & we cant do a thing about it.

I'm sure that isnt true. Surely there IS something we can do about it? Write to the local member maybe?

 

[bubblun]

I'm sure that isnt true. Surely there IS something we can do about it? Write to the local member maybe?

Fellow Brisbanite here. I only discovered e cigs this week. I'm getting them for my mum, who has been a very heavy smoker all of her life, who had a heart attack last year, and who I am very very lucky to still have after her making it through the night when the doctors said she wouldnt.

I personally will be looking at getting some for my dad as well, and if they are better than nicotine patches or inhalers, then i will be a talking billboard and will be converting as many people as I can.