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  1. Di

    Di ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Oct 30, 2008
    *Australia*
    END OF DAYS -- FOR REAL

    I have been asked by Ed of E-ciggy to post this for us
    see below this email for instructions from Ed......
    ----------------------------------------------------------

    From: Keith Moyle [mailto:keith.moyle@dhs.vic.gov.au]
    Sent: Wednesday, 31 December 2008 10:02 AM
    To: Electronic Ciggy
    Subject: Enquiry from Electronic Ciggy

    I am writing to you in
    relation to the sale or supply of electronic smoking
    devices or electronic cigarettes containing nicotine intended for human use
    .

    I wish to inform you that the Minister for Health recently amended the
    Victorian Poisons Code made under section 12 of the Drugs, Poisons and
    Controlled Substances Act 1981 to include nicotine for human use when it is
    included in Schedule 7 in Chapter 1 Part 2 List of substances that are not
    for general sale by retail. The effective date of the amendment is 1 January
    2009.


    The effect of this is to prohibit from 1 January 2009 the sale or supply by
    retail of nicotine for human use when it is included in Schedule 7. Retail
    sale would constitute an offence against regulation 65 of Drugs, Poisons and
    Controlled Substances Regulations 2006. Products affected include electronic
    smoking devices or electronic cigarettes containing nicotine intended for
    human use.

    This brings Victorian controls into line with controls in other States and
    Territories.

    The Poisons Code can be found at
    http://www.health.vic.gov.au/dpu/poicode.htm
    The Drugs Poisons and Controlled Substances Regulations 2006 can be found at
    http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/Domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubLawToday.nsf/b12e
    276826f7c27fca256de50022686b/B77EC484E64A97EECA2574020001F97B/$FILE/06-57sr0
    03.doc

    If you require any clarification of the amendment or its effect, please
    contact the Duty Officer, Drugs and Poisons Regulation Group on tel 1300 364
    545.

    Yours sincerely


    Keith Moyle
    Manager, Drugs and Poisons Regulation Group
    Department of Human Services

    ------------------------------------------------------------
    Ed is understandably very upset
    and not sure where this is all going to go,
    but at this time --

    IF YOU WANT LIQUID GET IT NOW.

    ALL ORDERS MUST BE FINALIZED BY MIDNIGHT TONIGHT
    ALL ORDERS MUST BE PAID BY PAYPAL.

    ORDERS FOR E-LIQUID WILL BE STOPPED AT MIDNIGHT TONIGHT - 31-12-2008

    What the future holds for E-ciggy and any other E-cigarette suppliers is anyones guess,

    Australia is a colony of Great Britain, so is Canada, who will be next.........
    UK …. Canada ….

    Di ….
     
  2. gizmo

    gizmo Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 18, 2008
    Australia
    Came out of the blue that did,very sad day indeed.
     
  3. dc2k08

    dc2k08 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    May 21, 2008
    .ie
    Do you think the other states will follow this lead shortly?
     
  4. Di

    Di ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Oct 30, 2008
    *Australia*
    are all the other states already there .....

    from the report posted below.....

    This brings Victorian controls into line with controls in other States and Territories

    does this mean it is already banned in all other states....

    Di .....
     
  5. gizmo

    gizmo Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 18, 2008
    Australia
  6. billyboy689

    billyboy689 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 29, 2008
    australia
    wow , i just came from eciggy ,having made a bit of an order :D
    looks like it is hitting the fan big time
    i feel sorry for eciggy.com and anyone else really who was going in for the retail side of things , i contemplated it months ago but though to wait and see what happens , kind of glad i did
    should still be ways and means of getting stuff , lots of things are illegal yet easy to obtain
    i always thought that once the government realises the threat to taxation that ecigs are , that they would move in for the kill
    all they care about is money
     
  7. cucurucho

    cucurucho Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2008
    Sydney, Australia
    Just FYI, here's a copy of the email I sent to the NSW Health tobacco resources people today.

     
  8. Di

    Di ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Oct 30, 2008
    *Australia*
    this will be us
    hunted by interpol

    Di ......
     
  9. billyboy689

    billyboy689 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 29, 2008
    australia
    just got my last juice order from eciggy aus , kinda sad
    thanks ed , for havin a go
     
  10. Trumpybloke

    Trumpybloke Super Member ECF Veteran

    My Order from Ed also arrived today... kinda cant help but feel we should be having a wake or summat............
     
  11. Ads1969

    Ads1969 Full Member

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brisbane, Australia
    "An E cigarette is at present a regulated poison in Qld and is a breach of the H(D&P)R to obtain, possess, use, sell etc. An inspector under the Act/Regulation has the authority to investigate a person who may be in possession of an E cigarette and seize same. Legal proceedings may also be instituted."

    :mad:
     
  12. BettyRedondo

    BettyRedondo Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 18, 2008
    Bournemouth England
    I am going to Sydney in a couple of weeks are they going to take my ecig off me at customs, they always check our bags when we go in, normally looking for fruit ect.
     
  13. Walrus

    Walrus Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 3, 2009
    Baton Rouge, LA
    So how does this affect your ability to use 'personal vaporizers' with 0 nic liquids? It seems they are tying them in to nicotine delivery.
     
  14. ross350
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    Apr 8, 2009
  15. Ads1969

    Ads1969 Full Member

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brisbane, Australia
    It seems that in the Australian State of Queensland at least that QLD Health have found that even use and posession are illegal. Due to them saying that they are a dispenser of a "regulated poison".
     
  16. Ads1969

    Ads1969 Full Member

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brisbane, Australia
    Any ideas on how we can fight this? As you may have read in my other posts, not only the sale, but now the use and posession of an e-cigarette is illegal in QLD due to the wisdom of QLD Health.

    I just cant enjoy a vape outdoors now, as Im constantly on guard looking for police etc. :(

    Something really needs to be done before other states follow suit.



     
  17. gizmo

    gizmo Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 18, 2008
    Australia
  18. katink

    katink Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 24, 2008
    the Netherlands
    I guess it might be wiser to get hold of (or make) 'uncommon shapes' for your vaporizers too. Perhaps go the route of making them look as much as possible like asthma-inhalers? And perhaps use, at least out of doors, the original Ruyan-liquid, so hardly any or no smoke is to be seen?
    Really sad... hope some higher-ups see how stupid they are acting real soon...
     
  19. Di

    Di ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Oct 30, 2008
    *Australia*
    as I understand the law and the ban

    the e-liquid containing nicotine is banned
    if an e-cig or a cartridge contains nicotine it is banned

    the devices themselves are not banned.

    Di .....
     
  20. Ads1969

    Ads1969 Full Member

    Mar 9, 2009
    Brisbane, Australia
    I'm sure that isnt true. Surely there IS something we can do about it? Write to the local member maybe?
     
  21. bubblun

    bubblun Full Member

    Apr 24, 2009
    Australia
    Fellow Brisbanite here. I only discovered e cigs this week. I'm getting them for my mum, who has been a very heavy smoker all of her life, who had a heart attack last year, and who I am very very lucky to still have after her making it through the night when the doctors said she wouldnt.

    I personally will be looking at getting some for my dad as well, and if they are better than nicotine patches or inhalers, then i will be a talking billboard and will be converting as many people as I can.
     
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