End of the 36mg?

[Glock]

I think it is obvious that it is what it is. Why not just take it for what it is (which is not very good either).

They are simply lowering the nicotine content in their quest for FDA approval.
They will not even admit they ever even made it and that some is on the market or worse the middle man has been mislabeling it on purpose and you have never been vaping 36mg.

Why does it always have to come down to some 'other' conspiracy theory.

My only probelm is when the FDA tells them they will only approve 6mg in pre-filled carts, then what?

For me 36mg is too high to vape (if that is even what I was vaping), but it is nice to have to cut, but no more, plain and simple.

Yes, you might find someone to extract nicotine for you and provide higher nicotine content juice, but good luck with that.

Oh, I know 36mg is not going anywhere and "my" supplier (whcih happens to get their juice from the same source) will still have it and "my" suppliers juice that happens to come in the same sealed bottles from the same source is sooo much better than every other suppliers juice.

 

[tinear]

why is it that when people are unaffected by the status quo their attitude is almost always " just deal with it "?
i vape 36mg. i like 36mg. i use it exclusively. i don't cut it. i don't care much for less potentency.
i don't care if you vape 6mg or 36mg, or even nic free ~ anyone and everyone who vapes should feel effected by this if it comes to be. today it's 36, tomorrow... you know the rest.

 

[surbitonPete]

Anything less than 24 mg isn't enough to keep me from smoking tobacco.

 

[Glock]

why is it that when people are unaffected by the status quo their attitude is almost always " just deal with it "?
i vape 36mg. i like 36mg. i use it exclusively. i don't cut it. i don't care much for less potentency.
i don't care if you vape 6mg or 36mg, or even nic free ~ anyone and everyone who vapes should feel effected by this if it comes to be. today it's 36, tomorrow... you know the rest.

If you were speaking to my post, I most certainly was not saying "just deal with it".

I was simply stating... why do we have to make it into something it is not, it is bad enough for what it is.

As I said, "what happens when the FDA says they will only approve 6mg in pre-filled carts" as a hypothetical of where this could realistically be going.

Sorry I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that Dekang is just doing this to screw us out of more money. I also don't buy into that this is not going to happen and we can all stick our heads in the sand because it will still be available.

No, it will not bother me PERSONALLY if I can't get 36mg if I can still get 24mg, but it does bother me of where this could end up and where this is probably heading, BIG TIME!!! Which has always been my point. I don't like it, but it is what it is.

To say "oh this isn't going to happen" certainly does not help and to say "Oh, they are just trying to screw us out of more money" does not help either.

I have always said this is a "win, win" for the government and the suppliers when FDA approves a tobacco taxable disposable e-cig that we will all have to pay a fortune for and the suppliers just get to sell more. We get stuck footing the bill and with a crappy FDA approved product. So yes in the end the manufacturer will realize "hey this only means more sales for me and what do I care"

Have you seen this (like the way disposable, Njoy and FDA are all included in the title of these e-cigs):

disposable e-cigarette, e-cigar Njoy cigarette FDA Manufacturer exporting direct from Guangdong China

disposable e-cigarette, e-cigar Njoy cigarette FDA Manufacturer exporting direct from Guangdong China

Yes, in the end it comes down to the manufacturer will fold because they will make more money anyways (win, win). But to say that this is a conspiracy because they realize they are selling 36mg juice for the same price as 6mg juice and people can just cut 36mg is silly.

It does seem that Dekang is being sincere in their testing and 36mg might be a bit much or unhealthy if misused. Based on my experience 36mg might be a health concern if misused, but I don't need the government to watch out for me and make sure there isn't anything out there I can misuse. Besides, that is not their motive anyways, it may be used to disguise their true intention of having their hand in the pot, a conspiracy theory I do buy into.

 

[surbitonPete]

I wish I was silly but when it comes to thing's like that I am usually always right.

 

[Glock]

I wish I was silly but when it comes to thing's like that I am usually always right.

So you mean you think the FDA has nothing to do with this and this is all so that Dekang can restructure their pricing, really?

 

[Princessdee]

+1

I vape 36. I like 36. I'm just off analogs and I need 36.
(I concede that MAYBE it's mental. But have you seen the figures from Runyan on what we actually get of that? I don't see how anyone can quit analogs with less than 36 according to those numbers.)

I don't want to go back to analogs but I might have one between vapes if I don't feel satisfied.

I'm scared.

Analog free since April 2sd...for now

why is it that when people are unaffected by the status quo their attitude is almost always " just deal with it "?
i vape 36mg. i like 36mg. i use it exclusively. i don't cut it. i don't care much for less potentency.
i don't care if you vape 6mg or 36mg, or even nic free ~ anyone and everyone who vapes should feel effected by this if it comes to be. today it's 36, tomorrow... you know the rest.

 

[surbitonPete]

I am in the UK ...the FDA have nothing to do with us and we already have one supplier who no longer supplies 36mg. .....If you think suppliers are 'not' concerned about their loss of revenue from people cutting their high strength juice then you have more faith than I have........but then perhaps I am too cynical ....over here in the UK we have a whole Parliament full of politicians who have just been caught out fiddling their expenses and I have come to expect it. ....that's why we all call it 'Rip off Britain' it's become a way of life for everyone to be trying to make as much money as they can out of everyone else.

 

[Glock]

I am in the UK ...the FDA have nothing to do with us and we already have one supplier who no longer supplies 36mg. .....If you think suppliers are 'not' concerned about their loss of revenue from people cutting their high strength juice then you have more faith than I have........but then perhaps I am too cynical ....over here in the UK we have a whole Parliament full of politicians who have just been caught out fiddling their expenses and I have come to expect it. ....that's why we all call it 'Rip off Britain'.

LOL, I didn't realize that, but apparently the FDA is impacting you too in a round about way, IMO... and in the end, yes, cash drives all...

 

[KreeL]

Pete is correct. This isn't about safety at all. This is about profits. The only thing that could possibly kill the vaping society now is greed.

Here are some observations:

We get the May 5th hoax put out by suppliers. Overhyped to drive up sales.

The suppliers start their own association. Prices jump 10-40% within several weeks.

Now we get the 36mg self imposed ban from a manufacturer in China, PROBABLY from pressure put on by the suppliers association.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

 

[Glock]

Pete is correct. This isn't about safety at all. This is about profits. The only thing that could possibly kill the vaping society now is greed.

Here are some observations:

We get the May 5th hoax put out by suppliers. Overhyped to drive up sales.

The suppliers start their own association. Prices jump 10-40% within several weeks.

Now we get the 36mg self imposed ban from a manufacturer in China, PROBABLY from pressure put on by the suppliers association.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

I think we are all just saying the same thing more or less, but whatever.
-Actually I am saying the greed is coming from the government not the suppliers.

whoa, you slipped an edit in on me and I did not even notice LOL...

I do not agree that the evil suppliers started this. I do not see what is hard to understand that the manufacturers figure they will not get 36mg past FDA. I really do not know what makes them think they will get 26mg past the FDA either, though.

In the end I don't even think they will get bottled liquid past the FDA.

 

[KreeL]

A post from Ed at eastmall:

"We'll be negotiating with a new manufacturer for our higher strength liquids and just received some samples of new flavors that we'll announce next week.

Stay tuned!

Cheers
Ed"

 

[Glock]

A post from Ed at eastmall:

"We'll be negotiating with a new manufacturer for our higher strength liquids and just received some samples of new flavors that we'll announce next week.

Stay tuned!

Cheers
Ed"

Oh O.K. then... Guess we all have nothing whatsoever to worry about.

Great!

 

[Elendil]

If it is about money why not just charge more for 36mg. I would pay 25% more for 36mg juic. If I am cutting it, I'd come out ahead as well as the supplier...........

It has to be something more than $$ going on, because if it was JUST $$ they would raise the price........

 

[mindtwist69]

Pete is correct. This isn't about safety at all. This is about profits. The only thing that could possibly kill the vaping society now is greed.

Here are some observations:

We get the May 5th hoax put out by suppliers. Overhyped to drive up sales.

The suppliers start their own association. Prices jump 10-40% within several weeks.

Now we get the 36mg self imposed ban from a manufacturer in China, PROBABLY from pressure put on by the suppliers association.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

I'd like to reply... because I see a lot of this on the forums from members:

your observations in order:

1.) you got a may 5th hoax, I didn't know of any hoax out to get you and didn't change any pricing or tell people to buy from me because of it and you making a general assumption that it was driven by "the suppliers" makes you seem like an angry petulant child who had to deal with a situation we all were not found of. I'm sorry, but my prices didn't go up at that time, my stocks came and went and my customers were told by me to not rush stock off a scare.

2.) Suppliers start their own association and prices jump. I don't belong to an association, my prices didn't jump 10-40%. General assumptions... well we know where those lead, and btw not all suppliers belong to the "association".

3.) The 36mg ban, isn't related to "us" suppliers asking for it to be toned down, and not everyone orders from the exact same supplier (even tracing the lines back there is more than one original supplier of liquids). Try to understand that the reselling suppliers here in the states may not be the ones that are tired of seeing people cut liquid.


It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that your making assumptions about suppliers to fuel your own crazy idea's of what's going on. Stop it, making assumptions.. well you know.

We all have been in a roller coaster ride, and many of the suppliers are as apprehensive about the future and what can happen as users are. Many of us suppliers are vapers as well and what will affect our clients will also affect us.

Stop lumping us all together and assuming we are out to get you. I did not and won't ask for them to take away 36mg. Whatever you vape as an individual go ahead and vape.

And /rantoff. Sorry, I am tired of everyone always thinking "suppliers are evil and out to get us". Most of us sympathize with our clients and go out of our way to help in anyway possible.

 

[KreeL]

"Suppliers start their own association and prices jump. I don't belong to an association, my prices didn't jump 10-40%"

...and there you have it. The association seems to be the crux. If you are not a part of it (which I applaud) then you should be contacting your nic juice supplier in China and complaining about it. Is only David Yang doing this? Is he the only one that wants to keep the 36 supply alive?

Sad, but apparently so.

 

[surbitonPete]

If it is about money why not just charge more for 36mg. I would pay 25% more for 36mg juic. If I am cutting it, I'd come out ahead as well as the supplier...........

It has to be something more than $$ going on, because if it was JUST $$ they would raise the price........

I am thinking they probably just made a pricing strategy mistake in the beginning, it probably doesn't cost them anything more to mix up a batch of 36 mg than to make up a batch of 5mg....and they hadn't thought about people being smart enough to realize they could cut the high strength themselves and save a load of money. This forum is responsible for everyone realizing that. It could well be the chinese suppliers themselves that are trying to change it and nothing to do with our resellers.

 

[mindtwist69]

"Suppliers start their own association and prices jump. I don't belong to an association, my prices didn't jump 10-40%"

...and there you have it. The association seems to be the crux. If you are not a part of it (which I applaud) then you should be contacting your nic juice supplier in China and complaining about it. Is only David Yang doing this? Is he the only one that wants to keep the 36 supply alive?

Sad, but apparently so.

Been doing it, have been talking not just to sells people but to the actual engineers in the factory. It's a conglomerate of reasons but mainly, they have been told to stop making the 36mg liquid.

I've talked to two of the three actual suppliers of liquid and their engineers tell me the same. If suppliers here in the states get 36, most likely it'll be under the radar type stuff, because officially they have been told to stop making it.

 

[Oblivionrising]

Anything less than 24 mg isn't enough to keep me from smoking tobacco.

AMEN! Same here.

 

[Jayhawks]

I do not and will not belong to any associations. As far as contacting our china suppliers, I have and my juice supplier IS DAVID YANG and he told me NO 36mg.

"Suppliers start their own association and prices jump. I don't belong to an association, my prices didn't jump 10-40%"

...and there you have it. The association seems to be the crux. If you are not a part of it (which I applaud) then you should be contacting your nic juice supplier in China and complaining about it. Is only David Yang doing this? Is he the only one that wants to keep the 36 supply alive?

Sad, but apparently so.