End of the 36mg?

[ImYourSalt]

I just contacted Boge, the largest manufacturer of smoke juice

Here is the conversation:
from me to Joni.boge:

Hi,

What is the highest strength e-liquid you provide? And what is the minimum order quantity?

from Joni.boge to me:
hello,

26mg is the highest.

what is your order quantity?

Joni


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So my advice, get it while you can, there are still several suppliers with 36mg in stock.

 

[surbitonPete]

They have been manufacturing e-juice for years now.....why would they suddenly have a problem supplying 36mg? The only reason I can see is if they don't like the fact that we can cut it and affect their profits....they know the nicotine is the one thing we can't easily get.

 

[Glock]

They have been manufacturing e-juice for years now.....why would they suddenly have a problem supplying 36mg? The only reason I can see is if they don't like the fact that we can cut it and affect their profits....they know the nicotine is the one thing we can't easily get.

ummm, FDA approval and apparently some recent testing they did that states it may be unhealthy for some human beings to vape more than 50mg in a day.

Read the other thread. Not saying it is founded on 100% truth, but that is what they are saying. It is funny how they arrived at 26mg as 2ml of that would equal 52mg as opposed to the more standard 24mg at 2ml would equate to 48mg which is apparently within the limits of what they have found out can be unhealthy. They are here for you to ask what you want, but they really seem sincere and it would be a shame if accusations of greed, etc. sent them off the forum, IMO...

 

[a2dcovert]

My personal thinking is that there has been a study done, that we aren't aware of, that points out the 50mg threshold mentioned by Jason's supplier. If that is the case the factories may be lowering the strength to appease some government body somewhere. They might have reached a compromise to be able to stay in business.

I know, and so do most of us, that forcing the dilution of the liquid will not protect anyone from overdosing on e-liquid. But the same holds true for analog users who can smoke cigarettes as fast as they can and reach the same levels of nicotine that may be considered toxic.

I prefer not to be protected from myself. But if this measure means that it will insure the stability and availability, so be it. I'd rather vape a little lower concentration that lose it all together.

Kevin

 

[surbitonPete]

ummm, FDA approval and apparently some recent testing they did that states it may be unhealthy for some human beings to vape more than 50mg in a day.

Read the other thread. Not saying it is founded on 100% truth, but that is what they are saying. It is funny how they arrived at 26mg as 2ml of that would equal 52mg as opposed to the more standard 24mg at 2ml would equate to 48mg which is apparently within the limits of what they have found out can be unhealthy. They are here for you to ask what you want, but they really seem sincere and it would be a shame if accusations of greed, etc. sent them off the forum, IMO...

Yes I am afraid it's probably just my highly suspicious nature, old age seems to have done that to me.....just ignore me.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

They have been manufacturing e-juice for years now.....why would they suddenly have a problem supplying 36mg? The only reason I can see is if they don't like the fact that we can cut it and affect their profits....they know the nicotine is the one thing we can't easily get.

Pete--Sounds right to me-----Sun

 

[a2dcovert]

Well, the bottom line is that there isn't much we can about it. We're just along for the ride. I know that freedom isn't free, but sometimes it's unattainable.

 

[Glock]

Yes I am afraid it's probably just my highly suspicious nature, old age seems to have done that to me.....just ignore me.

Don't mind me. I have been in a foul mood all day. Had (2) batteries and an atty crap out on me today. I am not saying there may not be some legitimacy to this. I guess I look at it more like the FDA starting all this and then the manufacturers taking the stance "hey, what do I care, more money for us" None of which is good. I fear that this will not stop at 26mg juice and assume we will not be able to easily get juice in the future but rather pre-filled carts and disposable e-cigs if that. I hope I am wrong.

It seems if their initial intention was to generate more profit they would just raise the price of 36mg for some other bogus reason or straight up (which I would respect) for the reason that people are remanufacturing it for profit rather than take it off the shelf and replace it with 26mg. Why stop there? Why not only make 18mg available so we have to vape twice as much? Also, 26mg can still be cut to 6, 11 or 18mg juice. Plus they know competition will supply what they will not (if it is safe).

Maybe I am too willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I really think for them to do this, either the FDA has already made it clear that 36mg will not be approved or more likely their own testing made it clear that it will not get approved and/or it might not be safe, but what do I know.

I am fairly new to all this and perhaps I have missed all the shenanigans the suppliers and manufacturers have pulled in the past. All I see are reasonable prices, great service and a fairly decent product UNTIL the government got involved.

This is all just speculation anyways.

I apologize if I seemed disrespectful. You have been around vaping and this forum a lot longer than I.

///Cheers

 

[tinear]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ssion/19287-48-mg-nic-juice-4.html#post313510

 

[tinear]

If you were speaking to my post, I most certainly was not saying "just deal with it".

As I said, "what happens when the FDA says they will only approve 6mg in pre-filled carts" as a hypothetical of where this could realistically be going.

um, no. you stated....

My only probelm is when the FDA tells them they will only approve 6mg in pre-filled carts, then what?

i hope you can understand how i read the latter in a different context than what you say you intended.

 

[Glock]

um, no. you stated....




i hope you can understand how i read the latter in a different context than what you say you intended.

Took me a minute, but yeah I see how you might have took that. No I am vaping 36mg right now, LOL... I am worried that is what it will come too.

Anyways, my bad.

Never even tried 6mg. And yeah, that is not my only problem, Hahha...

///Cheers

 

[a2dcovert]

Here it is from Wikipedia:

Toxicology

See also: Nicotine poisoning
The LD50 of nicotine is 50 mg/kg for rats and 3 mg/kg for mice. 40–60 mg (0.5-1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans.[28][29] Nicotine therefore has a high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as ......., which has an LD50 of 95.1 mg/kg when administered to mice. It is impossible however to overdose on nicotine through smoking alone (though a person can overdose on nicotine through a combination of nicotine patches, nicotine gum, and/or tobacco smoking at the same time.) [30][31] Spilling an extremely high concentration of nicotine onto the skin can result in intoxication or even death since nicotine readily passes into the bloodstream from dermal contact.[32]

Looks like I was wrong about analogs.

Kevin

 

[KreeL]

Been doing it, have been talking not just to sells people but to the actual engineers in the factory. It's a conglomerate of reasons but mainly, they have been told to stop making the 36mg liquid.

I've talked to two of the three actual suppliers of liquid and their engineers tell me the same. If suppliers here in the states get 36, most likely it'll be under the radar type stuff, because officially they have been told to stop making it.

They have been told by whom? What's the big secret?

Like Pete, I can chalk it up to my advanced years of being suspicious when all we've seen over several months are fear tactics.

We were all smokers and know darn well what repression is and how it starts.

 

[surbitonPete]

My reasons for being so suspicious if 36 mg starts to become unavailable are because I had thought long ago that the fact we could cut 36mg juice and make it go a lot further was bound to be kind of irritating to someone selling juice but I couldn't see how they could justify suddenly raising their prices for the higher strengths without being obvious that it was all about making as much money as they possibly can out of us. The strategy of suddenly being unable to supply the higher strengths and then reintroducing it a later date at a much higher price had seemed to me the only way they could do it without being quite so obvious about it being all about money......so my suspicious mind was already expecting it would happen before it started to happen.

Mind you there is still plenty of 36 mg available here in the UK. so fingers crossed.

 

[RavenII]

ruyandirect still has...1548 - 3 (that I bought) 36mg for 10 bucks...(30 ml)...

 

[katink]

DeKang is saying that they supply 90% of the market. Maybe that is a bit exaggerated (I am getting some signals that way) - maybe it is correct.
Either way, that leaves 10% at minimum that is NOT made by DeKang. So perhaps it will be from there that future 36 mg could be coming? Perhaps time to hunt down who/what that 10% is?

 

[a2dcovert]

ruyandirect still has...1548 - 3 (that I bought) 36mg for 10 bucks...(30 ml)...

How much was the shipping? Have you ordered from them before?

Kevin

 

[MaSuAnime]

Well I would have liked to try 36mg, but I didn't get to try it. Now that the supply is running out...Its not even worth trying. I just hope they leave 24mg alone!

 

[gjrhine]

Well I would have liked to try 36mg, but I didn't get to try it. Now that the supply is running out...Its not even worth trying.

Your're not looking very hard, if you looked at all.

 

[SavePaperVapor]

Your're not looking very hard, if you looked at all.

That's not what he's getting at. What if he gets 36, loves it, and then it's no longer available? That would suck. Sometimes the less you know the better.