Ethyl Maltol = High Blood Sugars?
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Wow. What the OP went through is really scary. What he said about vaping sugars vs absorbing them through stomach has got me thinking....somewhere in there might be the key to why some are having problems and some aren't. Vaping isn't like smoking; we are getting things in a form of a mist and it goes right to your bloodstream instead of being filtered through your digestive system.
Everybody's metabolism is simply different. I have been really lucky where I can eat pretty much anything I want and hardly gain a pound. My metabolism is just different. That is not normal for a lot of people. I have never had high blood sugar and can eat any kind of sugar as my digestive system can handle it. VG is converted to glucose and that may be fine for eating. May not be true for vaping in my case. Since vaping my blood pressure is up 50 pts so something is metabolically off and I have done nothing else is different and the doctor doesn't know. I haven't had blood checked but it wouldn't surprise me. High blood sugar and high blood pressure can go hand in hand. That was one of the questions I was asked by doctor if I had diabetes.....
Everybody's metabolism is simply different. I have been really lucky where I can eat pretty much anything I want and hardly gain a pound. My metabolism is just different. That is not normal for a lot of people. I have never had high blood sugar and can eat any kind of sugar as my digestive system can handle it. VG is converted to glucose and that may be fine for eating. May not be true for vaping in my case. Since vaping my blood pressure is up 50 pts so something is metabolically off and I have done nothing else is different and the doctor doesn't know. I haven't had blood checked but it wouldn't surprise me. High blood sugar and high blood pressure can go hand in hand. That was one of the questions I was asked by doctor if I had diabetes.....
i just found this thread and wanted to add my 2 cents. i just recently started using em crystals and have begun to feel tired all the time and sleep more than usual for me (a chronic pain patient). i usually have to take sleeping meds to even sleep at night but have found that, lately, i'm falling asleep without them ... not sleeping as well, though, and sleeping, now, more in the daytime, too. this could be good or bad. i have regular blood tests run and am due for another appt very soon, so it will be interesting to find out if anything has changed.
i would usually use stevia liquid for my food but forgot to buy it on last order, so i ended up buying the packets which have dextrose as a first ingredient (still low carb, tho), but i'm told i can't use that in my diy mixes. however, i see that even tpa (on their own web site) uses sugar and corn syrup in some of their flavors, so i'm not sure what to think. also, previously, i had dissolved the stevia packets in a little water and strained it thru a coffee filter with no ill effect to my cartos.
except for what comes in the e-liquids, and i'm not sure what that is, i don't use "artificial" sweeteners ... preferring to stick to stevia and a little, occasional raw honey (for the nutrients) in my food. it just makes sense to me that inhaling any sweeteners and them going directly to the blood stream could, over time, cause problems or potential problems down the road ... guess i'm willing to take that risk.
the body is a wonderous, self regulating, machine that will sometimes take a lot of abuse before showing it. i, for one, will be looking for better ways of sweetening my liquids. i use cartomizers, and, since they are throw away, i'm not that worried about gunking them. it seems to me that "natural" is better, and stevia is a natural sweetener. as long as i don't use too much regular sugar, corn syrup, honey, etc., i will feel better even mixing a little of these with the stevia. as long as my rather inexpensive cartos last 4-6 days, i'm happy. btw, i haven't used reguar sugar, corn syrup, and honey to sweeten my e-liquids ... yet, but i'm planning using a tiny bit to enhance the flavor of the stevia. i'm a little reluctant, but i'll probably try the raw honey first.
the way i understand sugar and carbs is that they should rate very low on the glycemic index for them to not increase blood sugar. however, real sugar, in small amounts, is preferable to some of the artificial sweeteners out there. also, different types of sugars rate differently on the glycemic index and, then, there is the potential problem of heating and inhaling them. i have no clue about that.
i guess my post is really from both sides of the fence ... just being cautious but wanting the best tasting sweetness in my juices. as each of us is different, i think we do have to go by how we feel. at first, it just seemed so surprising to me that, as i get further and further into vaping, there are so many variables involved that effect flavor (voltage of batts, ohms of attys and cartos, vg/pg, nic) and how i feel ... nothing is written in stone here. if i find that i need to, i'll just switch to vaping a non-sweet tobacco flavor. when i first started vaping, i even used a little (drop or two) concentrated lemon juice added to some tobacco flavors to reduce the sweetness with no bad results ... until i got into vaping deserts, that is!!!
another possible problem could be that a doctor might mistake a symptom of vaping as being caused by something else, so even with all the great results of those whose health has improved with vaping, we are still the guinea pigs.
i never had any of the usual symptoms from smoking ... no cough or breathing problems. since the fire safety code (fsc) and the probable addition of even more additives, i just began to not like the taste of cigarettes (organic tobacco is an entirely different story). i definitely enjoy vaping, tho ... just don't care for all the variables involved. things just don't seem to be as consistant as they were at one time with cigarettes. it's become very time consuming for me. i've noticed, too, that some of the e-liquids are so good that i tend to not want to know what's in them ... others are just terrible (why i decided to diy)! anyway, i've chosen to vape until i choose otherwise.
sorry my post is so long for not giving a definite opinion, but i think the jury is still out for a lot of us. i guess that's my opinion.
i would usually use stevia liquid for my food but forgot to buy it on last order, so i ended up buying the packets which have dextrose as a first ingredient (still low carb, tho), but i'm told i can't use that in my diy mixes. however, i see that even tpa (on their own web site) uses sugar and corn syrup in some of their flavors, so i'm not sure what to think. also, previously, i had dissolved the stevia packets in a little water and strained it thru a coffee filter with no ill effect to my cartos.
except for what comes in the e-liquids, and i'm not sure what that is, i don't use "artificial" sweeteners ... preferring to stick to stevia and a little, occasional raw honey (for the nutrients) in my food. it just makes sense to me that inhaling any sweeteners and them going directly to the blood stream could, over time, cause problems or potential problems down the road ... guess i'm willing to take that risk.
the body is a wonderous, self regulating, machine that will sometimes take a lot of abuse before showing it. i, for one, will be looking for better ways of sweetening my liquids. i use cartomizers, and, since they are throw away, i'm not that worried about gunking them. it seems to me that "natural" is better, and stevia is a natural sweetener. as long as i don't use too much regular sugar, corn syrup, honey, etc., i will feel better even mixing a little of these with the stevia. as long as my rather inexpensive cartos last 4-6 days, i'm happy. btw, i haven't used reguar sugar, corn syrup, and honey to sweeten my e-liquids ... yet, but i'm planning using a tiny bit to enhance the flavor of the stevia. i'm a little reluctant, but i'll probably try the raw honey first.
the way i understand sugar and carbs is that they should rate very low on the glycemic index for them to not increase blood sugar. however, real sugar, in small amounts, is preferable to some of the artificial sweeteners out there. also, different types of sugars rate differently on the glycemic index and, then, there is the potential problem of heating and inhaling them. i have no clue about that.
i guess my post is really from both sides of the fence ... just being cautious but wanting the best tasting sweetness in my juices. as each of us is different, i think we do have to go by how we feel. at first, it just seemed so surprising to me that, as i get further and further into vaping, there are so many variables involved that effect flavor (voltage of batts, ohms of attys and cartos, vg/pg, nic) and how i feel ... nothing is written in stone here. if i find that i need to, i'll just switch to vaping a non-sweet tobacco flavor. when i first started vaping, i even used a little (drop or two) concentrated lemon juice added to some tobacco flavors to reduce the sweetness with no bad results ... until i got into vaping deserts, that is!!!
another possible problem could be that a doctor might mistake a symptom of vaping as being caused by something else, so even with all the great results of those whose health has improved with vaping, we are still the guinea pigs.
i never had any of the usual symptoms from smoking ... no cough or breathing problems. since the fire safety code (fsc) and the probable addition of even more additives, i just began to not like the taste of cigarettes (organic tobacco is an entirely different story). i definitely enjoy vaping, tho ... just don't care for all the variables involved. things just don't seem to be as consistant as they were at one time with cigarettes. it's become very time consuming for me. i've noticed, too, that some of the e-liquids are so good that i tend to not want to know what's in them ... others are just terrible (why i decided to diy)! anyway, i've chosen to vape until i choose otherwise.
sorry my post is so long for not giving a definite opinion, but i think the jury is still out for a lot of us. i guess that's my opinion.
I just picked up some Stevia liquid (Now foods brand) the other day, and mixed up some diy juice. Don't like the taste at all. Sort of a chemmy taste that dominates the total flavor.
Mixed up some butter/caramel juice which is usually quite strong and present, and the stevia just over powered it with it's strong taste and smell.
Doubt i'll be using it again. Will probably try ethyl maltol next.
Mixed up some butter/caramel juice which is usually quite strong and present, and the stevia just over powered it with it's strong taste and smell.
Doubt i'll be using it again. Will probably try ethyl maltol next.
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the problem with sugar free stuff is that the body STILL interprets it (brain chemistry) as sugar and thus has an insulin reaction, but because there is no actual sugar, it messes with blood sugars even still. I would urge diabetics to MODERATE to safe levels sugar intake and NOT to substitute with using tons of artificial sugar (no one should use it anyway, but Stevia is a much healthier alternative - BUT STILL, diabetics should be cautious about ANY sugar or sugar substitute).
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That's interesting! I see it recommended all over the forum.
Debbie
Actually There is NO data regarding the effects of Inhaling ingredients.That said EM was not listed as toxic.
Marlboro has ETHYL MALTOL at 0.0001 %.If you are pad smoker you will be inhaling a maximum of 0.02 mg of EM per day.
Comparative value for eliquid is 5 mg for 1 ml consumption/day. (if EM concentration is 0.5%)
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Just added a few drops of 'Now Foods brand stevia liquid' to a recipe as per the 'E-juice me up' calculator.
I think it was 5% stevia, 15% flavoring... 3ml total combined ingreds. for the recipe. Recipe called for 3 drops of sweetener(5%).
Not sure what you mean by 'prepare the sweetener'... it was not homemade.
I definitely noticed the difference from the same recipe using sucralose based sweetener, which just enhanced the flavors with sweetness, and didn't have any noticeable taste otherwise.
I was wondering if you diluted it with PG or just used it straight.
in general, you should check with your physician before drawing any conclusions about what these sweeteners are doing to your blood sugar.
The amount of ethyl maltol that we use in e-liquid is incredibly small when you measure it against the grand scheme of our carbohydrate and sugar intake daily (for the normal american). The likelihood that it is the sole factor in causing a significant rise in blood sugar is not very high.
The amount of ethyl maltol that we use in e-liquid is incredibly small when you measure it against the grand scheme of our carbohydrate and sugar intake daily (for the normal american). The likelihood that it is the sole factor in causing a significant rise in blood sugar is not very high.
IMO, EM is the safest sweetner as it is heat stable and vaporises.
Compared to normal carb intake, even refined sugars intake, the EM would be 1,000 to 10,000 times less.
Besides, chemically it is an alcohol and not a sugar; and adaik it is metabolised and ecreted with no effect on blood sugar level (which would probably not be measurable anyway at such a minute intake).
The person who mentioned the insulin reaction to the sweet taste trigger has a good point - it might have an effect on a few people.
Look into chromium supplements that boost insulin effectiveness if worried about blood sugar levels, but be cautious if you have or suspect an advanced condition.
Compared to normal carb intake, even refined sugars intake, the EM would be 1,000 to 10,000 times less.
Besides, chemically it is an alcohol and not a sugar; and adaik it is metabolised and ecreted with no effect on blood sugar level (which would probably not be measurable anyway at such a minute intake).
The person who mentioned the insulin reaction to the sweet taste trigger has a good point - it might have an effect on a few people.
Look into chromium supplements that boost insulin effectiveness if worried about blood sugar levels, but be cautious if you have or suspect an advanced condition.
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