Everyone should read - Propylene Glycol

[Canute]

As you all are probably figuring out by now I have been Mr. Research both for my own vaping use and especially before I started a petition in support of it. Constantly seeing people talking aboutvaping ingredients "specifically propylene glycol" and thought you would all like this link. While I have ready MANY MANY studies I'm hoping you will all find the source to be credible enough for you!

I especially like this line: Concentrations in foods range from <0.001% in eggs and soups to about 15% in some seasonings and flavorings. Propylene glycol is an FDA-approved additive for military dietary rations (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry 1997).

Ethylene Glycol and Propylene Glycol Toxicity: What is Propylene Glycol | ATSDR - Environmental Medicine & Environmental Health Education - CSEM

 

[optsmk]

Thats a pretty good link. Although a lot of us have already read similar articles, this information does need to be out there. The only thing is getting the press to pass on this information instead of the "you are smoking antifreeze" bull**** that we all hear.

I have already had a couple of people tell me that I am ingesting antifreeze. Gee, I wonder where they heard that from? The only problem is that they really belive it is bad for them because the press says pg is in antfreeze.

 

[optsmk]

One more thing.
I suppose we as vapers really need to help get the word out there that pg is considered a safe substance. If everyone knew just how many products use pg, that would surely get them to think twice about what they just heard on the news. Most people use pg on a daily basis and dont even know it.

 

[Slickstick]

most of us use USP grade VG instead anyways...

 

[cassavetes]

Nice find, Canute. Interesting read.

 

[Canute]

Oh, and the big bad chemical they quote as being present in trace amounts.....well according to their own tox reports:

"Ethylene glycol has been found to migrate into a number of foods from regenerated cellulose filmscontaining triethylene glycol and polyethylene glycol as softening agents. Ethylene glycol was detected
ETHYLENE GLYCOL 194
6. POTENTIAL FOR HUMAN EXPOSURE
***DRAFT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT***
in fruit cakes at 27–34 mg/kg (ppm) after 84–336 days of storage, in meat pies at <10 mg/kg (ppm) after 3–7 days of storage, in toffee at <10–22 mg/kg (ppm) after 168–450 days of storage, in madeira cake at <10–22 mg/kg (ppm) after 21–28 days storage, and in boiled sweets at 14–34 mg/kg (ppm) after 168–450 days storage (Castle et al. 1988a). According to Kashtock and Breder (1980), ethylene glycol can
migrate into food simulants from polyethylene terephthalate (PET) bottles used in the packaging of carbonated beverages."

Source:http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp96-c6.pdf

BEWARE THE FRUITCAKE AND MEATPIES!!!!!

 

[Canute]

Make sure that you guys are noting that these are not just "articles" but are coming directly from the Center for Disease Control toxicology reports!

 

[Wakadoo]

BEWARE THE FRUITCAKE AND MEATPIES!!!!!

heheh yack. I'd eat a crap sandwich before I'd eat fruitcake Or a meatpie .

 

[Kimber]

After watching Sweeney Todd, I don't think I'll ever eat a meatpie!

 

[spivey]

heheh yack. I'd eat a crap sandwich before I'd eat fruitcake Or a meatpie .

Hey now; not all meatpies are that bad. I do suppose it depends on where in the world you are.

 

[Canute]

I just realized that grandma was trying to kill me!!! LOL

 

[a2dcovert]

PG is used is all through our dialy lives. Even one of the main liquid ingredience in Baby Wipes.

Kevin

 

[quietbearr]

Very interesting, I find it very annoying that people dont know the difference between PG and EG. ...... lol.

 

[Thornak]

There's also water in antifreeze, so whenever you drink a glass of water the mindless idiots in this world could claim your drinking antifreeze.

 

[blueberry1946]

It used to be that there were 2 types of antifreeze. With the original type you had to be careful of leaving any fluid around because cats were prone to drinking it, and it would make them very sick. With the 'new' type it wasn't such an issue. Not sure where PG fits into that story, but I think that it was ethylene glycol you had to keep away from your pets.

 

[BardicDruid]

Actually PG is used as the anti-freeze, not in it. If you've ever done any RVing in the winter, PG is used in the DRINKABLE water storage tank, not the motor.

 

[Doug_Dread]

Picking out the 'conversion to lactic acid leading to acidosis' bit, I reckon vaping may not be entirely safe for renal failure patients. My missus lost her kidneys, had a transplant, lost that kidney too and is now on dialysis for life. For people without kidneys, acidosis is a serious problem which is why the main dialisate used in the dialysis machine is Bicarb.

Then again, renal patients should not be smoking either and so not need to convert to vaping.

 

[bigozone]

Actually PG is used as the anti-freeze, not in it. If you've ever done any RVing in the winter, PG is used in the DRINKABLE water storage tank, not the motor.

thanks for the reminder to drain my RV water tank8-o

 

[535cheetah]

soooo must of you use VG? i like my PG !!! specially everyonce in a while when i get a taste of it.... it reminds me of the good ol days in the clubs and wedding receptions = with the smoke machines lol.

i just might have to try this VG out.


on a side note.... although we ingest PG everyday through food products and ect... and it is totally safe, the big difference with us is we are not ingesting it, we are inhaling it (into our lungs) so i dunno if those aricles i read are totaly accurate, since some of them mostly deal with EATING PG not inhaling..... it all goes to the same place... in the blood stream,yes. but my concern is the lungs part, i really havent seen an article on what it could do to your lungs alone, this is a new (and great) expierence... vaping, so i dont think enough time or studies have shown yet. one lab result posted somewhere in these forums showed that pg was toxic in certain doses and could lead to some... desease (cant remember)

but screwwwwwwww it i luv pg and it luvs me in any case im minus 600+ chemicals in my system from analogs

 

[Angela]

Oh, and the big bad chemical they quote as being present in trace amounts.....well according to their own tox reports:

"Ethylene glycol has been found to migrate into a number of foods from regenerated cellulose filmscontaining triethylene glycol and polyethylene glycol as softening agents. Ethylene glycol was detected
ETHYLENE GLYCOL 194
6. POTENTIAL FOR HUMAN EXPOSURE
***DRAFT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT***
in fruit cakes at 27–34 mg/kg (ppm) after 84–336 days of storage, in meat pies at <10 mg/kg (ppm) after 3–7 days of storage, in toffee at <10–22 mg/kg (ppm) after 168–450 days of storage, in madeira cake at <10–22 mg/kg (ppm) after 21–28 days storage, and in boiled sweets at 14–34 mg/kg (ppm) after 168–450 days storage (Castle et al. 1988a). According to Kashtock and Breder (1980), ethylene glycol can
migrate into food simulants from polyethylene terephthalate (PET) bottles used in the packaging of carbonated beverages."

Source:http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp96-c6.pdf

BEWARE THE FRUITCAKE AND MEATPIES!!!!!

Except the big bad chemical they quote as being present in trace amounts wasn't ethylene glycol, it was diethylene glycol!